Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Yeah, indeed, official statements and so on. But if you make a friendly call, a lot is possible :-) Peter Bart Broeckx wrote: Sorry, Dell will not pay a refund if you do not accept the EULA: http://www.hcc.nl/dell/AVDell.htm Quote (in Dutch): # 12. *SOFTWARE* Software die geen eigendom is van Dell wordt geleverd op basis van de licentie en garantie van de Software licentiegever. Waar nodig levert Dell de Software-licentie die u nodig hebt bij het Product. U moet voldoen aan die licentie. Indien u de licentie voor het besturingssysteem niet accepteert bij start-up zal Dell enkel het retourneren en terugbetaling van het volledige product in overweging nemen. Even if you would like to by a Dell product without Windows they will charge you the same price :( Sorry guys Greetz, 2007/10/29, Laurent Sibilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bert Claes a écrit : Nice! although 50€ seems low when compared to the price of Windows ... (100€ +). This is really low yes. At my point of view this is mainly due to company that pay to install bullshit like Norton, etc... So if they sell computer with Windows, they can install these software and they can get back money to make windows licence cheaper. Laurent -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- Bart Broeckx Willekensmolenstraat 83/7 3500 Hasselt 0476/66.20.80 -- Peter Dedecker Isabellakaai 124 - 9000 Gent GSM: 0486/15.23.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Gunirus schreef: Op Monday 29 October 2007 16:27:51 schreef Cedric Janssens: Sorry, it's in French : http://forum.kubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1277012 Can someone translate it? (English, Dutch?) Gunirus When I went to the Saturn shop in Lille/Rijsel some 4 years ago I found a linux Mandrake computer there for 299 euros. Saturn in Antwerp is open one week, and is said to be more luxurous than Mediamarkt, but I haven't been there. Marc -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Op maandag 29-10-2007 om 17:37 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Bert Claes: Nice! although 50€ seems low when compared to the price of Windows ... (100€ +). I'm pretty sure Dell pays Microsoft less than 50 euro for their OEM licenses (or at least, not much more), but for PCs that they sell without Windows installed, they also lose the money they get for installing trial versions of anti-virus programs and other useless crap... If you add to that the fact that they have to make a special exception in their normal production chain for those 0,x% who want this, it's actually not that strange *from an economic point of view* that they only offer a 50 euro discount... This is different for smaller computer equipment suppliers (e.g. I paid 100 euro less than when I would have wanted Windows on my laptop). -- Jan Claeys -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
[Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Sorry, it's in French : http://forum.kubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1277012 -- Inscrivez-vous à un réseau social si ce n'est déjà fait : http://www.viadeo.com/invitation/cedric.janssens http://www.linkedin.com/in/cjanssens -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Op Monday 29 October 2007 16:27:51 schreef Cedric Janssens: Sorry, it's in French : http://forum.kubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1277012 Can someone translate it? (English, Dutch?) Gunirus signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Art. 55 WHPC lid 1 stelt: “Het is geoorloofd tegen een totale prijs aan te bieden: 1. producten of diensten die een geheel vormen; de Koning kan, op voordracht van de bevoegde Ministers en van de Minister van Financiën, de in de financiële sector aangeboden diensten aanduiden die een geheel vormen”; Art. 55 lid 2 WHPC stelt: “Het is geoorloofd tegen een totale prijs aan te bieden: 2. gelijke producten of diensten, op voorwaarde: a) dat elk product en elke dienst afzonderlijk tegen zijn gewone prijs in dezelfde inrichting verkregen kan worden; b) dat de koper duidelijk ingelicht is over deze mogelijkheid en ook over de afzonderlijke verkoopprijs van elk product en van elke dienst; c) Dat de prijsvermindering die eventueel aan de koper verleend wordt voor het geheel van de producten of diensten, niet meer bedraagt dan één derde van de samengetelde prijzen”. Rudi Vansnick ISOC Belgium Gunirus schreef: Op Monday 29 October 2007 16:27:51 schreef Cedric Janssens: Sorry, it's in French : http://forum.kubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1277012 Can someone translate it? (English, Dutch?) Gunirus No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 2007-10-28 13:58 -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
During investigating concerning bundled purchases, I have contacted Service public Fédéral Economie, PME, Classes Moyennes et Energie - Protection des droits des consommateurs, the consumer watchdogs and I asked them about PC-sales coupled with MS windows, I copied the generic part of their response: 1. Article 55 of the law on commercial practices [...] authorises a conjoint offer at a global price of goods that form an ensemble. The notion of an ensemble is difficult to define, because it refers to commercial usages. The parlementary works have precised that this notion has to be interpreted on a rather large way. The only question is whether or not the services are relevant concerning the same bussiness activity. The uses of the IT sector are such that is is a habit of selling a pc with different programs or OS'es on it. The fact that you can buy a PC without an OS or an OS without a pc, is not relevant. 2. The seller is free to establish his own commercial politics an to choose the type of products he offers to sell. It is up to the consumer to accept or not. 3. If the seller accepts to remove the program to sell a pc without programmes, he can charge for this intervention. cEd So, the Belgium government can't force anything. The best thing you can do is to buy from small bussiness and not the big ones (not until they start offering Linux on their pc's in belgium, anyway.) Bert Claes On 10/29/07, Gunirus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Monday 29 October 2007 16:27:51 schreef Cedric Janssens: Sorry, it's in French : http://forum.kubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1277012 Can someone translate it? (English, Dutch?) Gunirus -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Bert Claes wrote: The best thing you can do is to buy from small bussiness and not the big ones (not until they start offering Linux on their pc's in belgium, anyway.) In fact, if you make a phonecall to Dell, you can ask for a Latitude without Windows. They give a discount of 50 € then. For Inspiron, this is not possible as far as I know. Two years ago, as computer responsible of a student organisation, VTK, I sold computers without OS (or with FreeDOS) to students directly from Dell. No problem for Latitude. Good luck! -- Peter Dedecker Isabellakaai 124 - 9000 Gent GSM: 0486/15.23.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Nice! although 50€ seems low when compared to the price of Windows ... (100€ +). Bert On 10/29/07, Peter Dedecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bert Claes wrote: The best thing you can do is to buy from small bussiness and not the big ones (not until they start offering Linux on their pc's in belgium, anyway.) In fact, if you make a phonecall to Dell, you can ask for a Latitude without Windows. They give a discount of 50 € then. For Inspiron, this is not possible as far as I know. Two years ago, as computer responsible of a student organisation, VTK, I sold computers without OS (or with FreeDOS) to students directly from Dell. No problem for Latitude. Good luck! -- Peter Dedecker Isabellakaai 124 - 9000 Gent GSM: 0486/15.23.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Sorry, Dell will not pay a refund if you do not accept the EULA: http://www.hcc.nl/dell/AVDell.htm Quote (in Dutch): 12. *SOFTWARE* Software die geen eigendom is van Dell wordt geleverd op basis van de licentie en garantie van de Software licentiegever. Waar nodig levert Dell de Software-licentie die u nodig hebt bij het Product. U moet voldoen aan die licentie. Indien u de licentie voor het besturingssysteem niet accepteert bij start-up zal Dell enkel het retourneren en terugbetaling van het volledige product in overweging nemen. Even if you would like to by a Dell product without Windows they will charge you the same price :( Sorry guys Greetz, 2007/10/29, Laurent Sibilla [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bert Claes a écrit : Nice! although 50€ seems low when compared to the price of Windows ... (100€ +). This is really low yes. At my point of view this is mainly due to company that pay to install bullshit like Norton, etc... So if they sell computer with Windows, they can install these software and they can get back money to make windows licence cheaper. Laurent -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- Bart Broeckx Willekensmolenstraat 83/7 3500 Hasselt 0476/66.20.80 -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Bad news for Belgian People
Bert Claes a écrit : Nice! although 50€ seems low when compared to the price of Windows ... (100€ +). This is really low yes. At my point of view this is mainly due to company that pay to install bullshit like Norton, etc... So if they sell computer with Windows, they can install these software and they can get back money to make windows licence cheaper. Laurent -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
