Re: [Ubuntu-be] My Summary After 4 weeks of membership
Well, it’s great to have this discussion. I had a quite same discussion a
couple of days ago.
There are a lot of great proposals, but the problem is we mostly get the
feeling these ideas got ignored and thrown away. I’m here also about eight
months and I helped by going to volunteer on Dipro fairs, and I helped Jean
with the flyers and posters and such things, but there are not a lot of people
who are really ‘into’ this. They just want to know what’s happening and mostly
don’t read the mails. That’s a shame and a real bug-off for people like you and
me who want to do something. Like, if you actually would contact everyone on
the support map to volunteer, I don’t think you will receive 50 positive
answers.
Like come on. Dozens of reactions with ‘great idea to make a new flyer and
poster”, until we asked for a vote to print them and nobody answered. Do they
care? I dunno.
There are a lot of enthusiastic volunteers and if we all get together we might
reach something, Not by doing this all separately.
Matthew
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Verzonden: dinsdag 7 juli 2009 12:47
Aan: steven.deba...@telenet.be; Ubuntu Belgium
Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] My Summary After 4 weeks of membership
Steven,
I understand you reaction about the great response of the international
community and the apparent limited interest of the local community.
There are several reasons and Alain already pointed some.
Personally I am active in Ubuntu-be since 8 months, mostly in computer fairs.
According to my limited experience, there is a real potential in the Ubuntu-be
community, but because only based on individual initiatives without support or
coordination, it is very difficult to go ahead with projects till their
achievements.
As a recent example, see the response to my proposal to print new posters and
flyers for Ubuntu-be.
But don't think your efforts are useless!
The Ubuntu Belgian Local Community has been founded by enthusiast volunteers,
but clear responsibilities and succession are is problematic.
I think we should start thinking about organization and structure based on
working groups and not on individuals, for an active LoCo Team (community) in
Belgium, but ... it is a long term process!
If you have the possibility, join us on IRC #ubuntu-be, for direct exchange of
ideas.
Next formal meeting is on 08/07/2009 at 21 h.
--
Jean
Ubuntu Belgium Events Team
Steven De Baets a écrit :
Hi everybody!
I have been subscribed to the memberlist for nearly one month now, and
there is something that I would like to discuss.
But first this: Please take this entry as a positive thing, because I
really want to help the community as much as I can.
One month ago I decided to dig into the community and get involved in
spreading the word about Ubuntu after I've been using Ubuntu for quite
some time now.
I subscribed to the LoCo mailing list, translated texts in Launchpad,
joined both the Marketing and Translation teams.
I have dedicated my time to create two translated posters ("baby tux"
and "choose your warrior", printed them on a couple of A3's and put them
up at the evening classes I was attending), create a new 8-page brochure
(Ubuntu miniguide - printed 20 of them and spread them amidst friends)
and a new "dutch materials" page on the SpreadUbuntu-site.
I have had great responses to my materials from the international
community and friends (2 of them are already using Ubuntu now), but
while all this work was aimed at the local community, I had no response
from the local community whatsoever.
You can't imagine how my motivation has been lowered to help the local
community...
I really wanted to push things forward and even donate some printed
materials to the LoCo for free...
In the mean time I will continue to help the international community and
I'll keep doing as much as I can to spread the word.
To make things clear, I'm not worried about myself, but I'm worried
about the local community and taking things to the next level, because
it seems like... well you figure it out what it seems like...
I feel very bad writing this, but I just feel I had to get it off my
chest and hope the community will get something positive out of this...
Looking forward to any reactions,
Kind regards,
Steven De Baets.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] My Summary After 4 weeks of membership
Steven,
I understand you reaction about the great response of the international
community and the apparent limited interest of the local community.
There are several reasons and Alain already pointed some.
Personally I am active in Ubuntu-be since 8 months, mostly in computer
fairs. According to my limited experience, there is a real potential in
the Ubuntu-be community, but because only based on individual
initiatives without support or coordination, it is very difficult to go
ahead with projects till their achievements.
As a recent example, see
the response to my proposal to print new posters and flyers for
Ubuntu-be.
But don't think your efforts are useless!
The Ubuntu Belgian Local Community has been founded by enthusiast
volunteers,
but clear responsibilities and succession are is problematic.
I think we should start thinking about organization and structure based
on working groups and not on individuals, for
an active LoCo Team (community) in Belgium, but ... it is a long term
process!
If you have the possibility, join us on IRC #ubuntu-be, for direct
exchange of ideas.
Next formal meeting is on 08/07/2009 at 21 h.
--
Jean
Ubuntu Belgium Events Team
Steven De Baets a écrit :
Hi everybody!
I have been subscribed to the memberlist for nearly one month now, and
there is something that I would like to discuss.
But first this: Please take this entry as a positive thing, because I
really want to help the community as much as I can.
One month ago I decided to dig into the community and get involved in
spreading the word about Ubuntu after I've been using Ubuntu for quite
some time now.
I subscribed to the LoCo mailing list, translated texts in Launchpad,
joined both the Marketing and Translation teams.
I have dedicated my time to create two translated posters ("baby tux"
and "choose your warrior", printed them on a couple of A3's and put them
up at the evening classes I was attending), create a new 8-page brochure
(Ubuntu miniguide - printed 20 of them and spread them amidst friends)
and a new "dutch materials" page on the SpreadUbuntu-site.
I have had great responses to my materials from the international
community and friends (2 of them are already using Ubuntu now), but
while all this work was aimed at the local community, I had no response
from the local community whatsoever.
You can't imagine how my motivation has been lowered to help the local
community...
I really wanted to push things forward and even donate some printed
materials to the LoCo for free...
In the mean time I will continue to help the international community and
I'll keep doing as much as I can to spread the word.
To make things clear, I'm not worried about myself, but I'm worried
about the local community and taking things to the next level, because
it seems like... well you figure it out what it seems like...
I feel very bad writing this, but I just feel I had to get it off my
chest and hope the community will get something positive out of this...
Looking forward to any reactions,
Kind regards,
Steven De Baets.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] My Summary After 4 weeks of membership
Alain, Thanks for your reaction. Don't get me wrong, I never expected to be overloaded with flowers :-D ! I never thought of timing to be the cause. I have been self-employed for quite some time now and my work never stops, there is always things to be done... After reading your reaction I just think I might have been too enthousiastic from the beginning. Mainly hat came because of the fact that joining the community has been something I have been planning for a longer time, I never want to join something and then after a couple of weeks let eveything go... I hope to be active for a long time coming. I was also mistaken by the fact that you said there are only a bunch of 10 being active, mainly because I saw the 400 support points we have. That made me think that there were at least half of them who were active in the community. I wonder what would happen if we would ask an installation disc to all the members claiming to be a support point... I had just been wondering if my efforts were not useless, and I asked myself if I shouldn't have been doing something else for the community, but the things I did are the things I might be good at... Just knowing that my efforts are not useless, makes me happy, and therefore your reaction is truly appreciated. Keep up the good work, I'll sure do the same. Thanks and best regards, Steven. Alain Baudrez schreef: Steven, 2009/7/7 Steven De Baets : You can't imagine how my motivation has been lowered to help the local community... I really wanted to push things forward and even donate some printed materials to the LoCo for free... don't think because we do not overload you with flowers :-) , that we do not appreciate your efforts for Ubuntu and/or the Loco team and do not feel bad about writing this. But ... Look a the timing of your efforts. The month of June, the examination month for the majority of junior Loco-team members. Probably they had other priorities. Reading through the IRC reports that Jean publishes, you'll notice that nobody was on-line two weeks ago and that the IRC meeting had to be canceled. So the lack of interest you noticed was not a 'personal' issue. Secondly, if you look at our wiki at the priorities of the Belgian Loco Team, you'll notice that everything is aimed at the upcoming Dipro fairs and the Koala launch and that we are working towards the first Dipro, and we will re-group, re-arm and replenish from mid-august onwards. Regarding your Ubuntu miniguide, I put a link to your site on the Linux Mailing List of Seniorennet and got positive feedback. You surely noted the increased hits on your page. About converting people to Ubuntu (or any other brand of Linux). This is not something you do in 4 weeks. Students will not have problems to get started with Linux, so they just need to be made aware that Linux is an alternative to their current OS, and the people I work with, which are 45 - 65 year olds, like a more personal approach with somebody explaining it to them. Those are not on the maillinglist here, but I tell them about your miniguide and the Belgian Loco Team. If you followed the maillinglist, you saw that we are about to get new flyers and posters printed. Have some patience. Look back at the end of the year of what the Loco team has done in 2009 and you'll see that your recent experience was merely due to the timing of the year. Keep up the good work and I hope to see you in one of the upcoming Dipro's. We need guys like you who can deliver products that we can use at our booth in the next Dipro's. One last thing. The international community is a bit bigger than our Belgian Loco Team, where approx. 10 man/women at the max are actively involved. Alain aka Wamukota -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] My Summary After 4 weeks of membership
Steven, 2009/7/7 Steven De Baets : > You can't imagine how my motivation has been lowered to help the local > community... > I really wanted to push things forward and even donate some printed > materials to the LoCo for free... > don't think because we do not overload you with flowers :-) , that we do not appreciate your efforts for Ubuntu and/or the Loco team and do not feel bad about writing this. But ... Look a the timing of your efforts. The month of June, the examination month for the majority of junior Loco-team members. Probably they had other priorities. Reading through the IRC reports that Jean publishes, you'll notice that nobody was on-line two weeks ago and that the IRC meeting had to be canceled. So the lack of interest you noticed was not a 'personal' issue. Secondly, if you look at our wiki at the priorities of the Belgian Loco Team, you'll notice that everything is aimed at the upcoming Dipro fairs and the Koala launch and that we are working towards the first Dipro, and we will re-group, re-arm and replenish from mid-august onwards. Regarding your Ubuntu miniguide, I put a link to your site on the Linux Mailing List of Seniorennet and got positive feedback. You surely noted the increased hits on your page. About converting people to Ubuntu (or any other brand of Linux). This is not something you do in 4 weeks. Students will not have problems to get started with Linux, so they just need to be made aware that Linux is an alternative to their current OS, and the people I work with, which are 45 - 65 year olds, like a more personal approach with somebody explaining it to them. Those are not on the maillinglist here, but I tell them about your miniguide and the Belgian Loco Team. If you followed the maillinglist, you saw that we are about to get new flyers and posters printed. Have some patience. Look back at the end of the year of what the Loco team has done in 2009 and you'll see that your recent experience was merely due to the timing of the year. Keep up the good work and I hope to see you in one of the upcoming Dipro's. We need guys like you who can deliver products that we can use at our booth in the next Dipro's. One last thing. The international community is a bit bigger than our Belgian Loco Team, where approx. 10 man/women at the max are actively involved. Alain aka Wamukota -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
