[Bug 494699] Re: Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7)
Well I suppose there must have been a lot of this kinda writing, considering all the bugs there has been in all versions giving Ati users problems for years. Short enough? -- Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/494699 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 494699] Re: Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7)
Hey Rafal. It's great to hear that you don't have problems with Ati graphics. But a lot of users really do. Especially new Linux users. Other more advanced users have struggled like hell, tried everything, and they still ended up blank. Thats a fact, and there's no stereotyping in that. Surfing the net, you will find hundreds of pages describing those problems. Some of them new, and others as old as Ubuntu it selves. A lot of users with those problems turn to pages like this to find solutions, but the way things in here is described will only make them more confused (No disrespect to anyone). Its sad to see new users (not using Nvidia) drop Ubuntu like a pair of soiled trousers, because they can't find solutions anywhere. Especially if other people have the answers. The hole idea in Ubuntu is sharing, and its actually really disappointing when users with Ati problems look for solutions, all they find is page after page with the exact same problems they have themselves, but no answers on how to fix it. If they are lucky to come across a page with solutions, it still does not help them, because its so badly described that only a total hardcore Linux wizard maybe is able to get something out of it. Considering that you got yours working, maybe you could be the one to change all that? If you could write a detailed step by step instruction on how to make it work, that new users could easily follow, and put it on this page (and perhaps on some other pages too), a lot of people could really benefit from it. As I told in my first commend I have been using Nvidia all the time, except on the old Acer Laptop which is running fine with 8,04. I have never had to struggle with drivers, and therefore I have no solutions to pass on to others, except if they have an old Ati card to try out 8,04 or switch to Nvidia. But there is one thing I can do: Speak up, and write about the problem (like in my first commend) on all the pages like this that I come across. I could of course say: I got my a.. covered by using Nvidia, so I don't care. But the thing is that I do care. I really like Ubuntu, and I want to see it grow. So I'm gonna continue writing till someone like you for instance who has the knowledge, write one or more really great instructions, and make them as visible on the net as possible. Kinda hope for Jackpot this time. By the way, I'm not saying that Ati is junk. I actually think Ati kicks butt. Especially in Windows (pardon the nasty word). Its just a shame that so many Linux users have such a struggle with them. Kind regards. -- Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/494699 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 494699] Re: Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7)
Ps. You are the first I have ever heard saying that the open source drivers work as they should, and support all fuctions. The net is filled with people saying quite the opposite. If they really work, why don't the Ubuntu developers put them in the operating system and solve the problem once and for all? -- Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/494699 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 494699] Re: Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7)
Hey there. For all Linux users with older Ati graphic cards. Give up struggling with drivers for 9,04, 9,10 and the upcoming 10,04, it's not gonna work. That goes for the open source drivers as well. The proprietary driver in 8,04 still works for older Ati cards, like 9200 for instance. You can get 8,04 at this page: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/ (PC (Intel x86) desktop CD). Use that instead. Install it, let it update, and after updating it will automatically notify you about the proprietary driver. It can't get any easier. I just checked before writing this. The driver is there, and it works. So don't let anyone tell you that the driver has been removed by Ati, like a lot of people claim. 8,04 is a LTS version (long time support) and is supported till 24-4-2011, and will of course still be working after that time. For users with newer Ati cards: You have my deepest sympathies. You're properly gonna have a lot of trouble, and you might realize that you made a bad investment (but don't let it scare you from using Linux). There's a very good reason for the existence of open source drivers for Ati cards, all though they are not very good either. As far as I know there's no open source drivers for Nvidia cards. There's also a good reason for that. Keep that in mind the next time you invest in new gear. It will make your life so much easier. I have Nvidia on all my machines, except on an old Acer laptop with Radeon Mobility 9200. I use 8,04 on that one, and it works great. With only a very few exceptions all the software you find for the newer versions is available in 8,04. You should not be missing anything by using it. I really love Ubuntu and it just gets better for every version, when using Nvidia. Intel graphics is'nt bad either. But I think it might would be a good idea for Ubuntu developers to slow down just a little bit, and make sure the existing Ati drivers that worked in earlier versions, still works in the new ones (and is easy to install for new users). Linux has always had a reputation of being great to install on older machines because it kinda bring new life to them. A lot of new users is being introduced to Linux that way. If their first experience is massive problems, they might never wanna use it again. If you surf the net, you will properly find hundreds (if not thousands) of pages with people complaining about Ati drivers for Linux. Of course Ati/Amd is to blame for that. On the other hand Ubuntu have their part of the blame as well, constantly changing the operating system without making sure of compatibility with existing drivers and other software. Fast development has its upsides, but also its downsides. If you should rewrite the drivers you provide, perhaps every six month, wouldnt you get a little tired of it? (Lets not forget that Ati is the most selling card. At least at the moment. A little something to keep in mind). In my opinion Ubuntu is already great as it is. Instead of changing color, layout and other rather pointless changes and call it a new version, I think they should make sure that it works for everyone, and keeps working. With all that said, Linux IS the best. -- Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/494699 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 494699] Re: Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7)
By the way, if you are a new user, you might not know this site: http://www.playdeb.net/updates/Ubuntu/all/ If you like gaming you will find some great stuff in there. Check it out. On this site you can find programs not listed in the Ubuntu software center: http://www.getdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/9.10/ There's instructions how to install on both pages. Its really easy. Tell it to everyone. For those who might think this info dos not belong here, trust me it does. A lot of people read this page. -- Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/494699 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
