[Bug 1255761] Re: localepurge breaks KDE l10n

2013-12-22 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
Problem SOLVED!

In the error messages from debsums -c I found among others following
entrie:

debsums: missing file /usr/share/locale/l10n/C/entry.desktop (from 
kde-runtime-data package)
debsums: missing file /usr/share/locale/l10n/C/flag.png (from kde-runtime-data 
package)

Reinstalled kde-runtime-data and everything is back to normal. Even
setlocale.sh now has reasonable entries.

Thanks for your help.

Knut

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[Bug 1255761] Re: localepurge breaks KDE l10n

2013-12-22 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
Hi Harald.

I think it is not a good idea to change the title of the bugreport .
Nobody encoutering the problem I had will ever find this bugreport with
the changed title. At leasst not if one hasn't  background knowlidge
about the relavance of localpurge for the localization. So I think it
would be better lo leave it as it was and open a new bugreport about
localpurge.

Or should I make a  post in the forums about the solution and link it to
this bugreport?

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[Bug 1255761] Re: Can't configure country, languages, or spell checker

2013-12-21 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
Encountered this problem yesterday after upgrading under Saucy from KDE
4.11.2 to 4.11.3. Thinking it might be caused by misconfiguration I did
some reseach wich cost me almost a day without fixing it .-( But I hope
thus I can at least provide some useful addtional information :-)

1. After the update I first noticed that the spell checking in kmail was
gone. I couldn't choose the language any more and spell checking doesn't
work for preset German any more. Neither could I choose system language
nor make any additional language or location settings  in
systemsettings. Furthermore I noticed that the little widget I use to
switch my keyboard from German to English or Spanish doesn't show the
flags anymore. And even though all application I set to use other
languages than system language still use these, at least for menus, I
couldn't change the language anymore.


2.  Somehow language setting got totally messed up during the update.

locale -a produces following output, which shows all the three languages
I have installed:

knut@knubuntu:~$ locale -a
C
C.UTF-8
de_AT.utf8
de_BE.utf8
de_CH.utf8
de_DE.utf8
de_LI.utf8
de_LU.utf8
en_AG
en_AG.utf8
en_AU.utf8
en_BW.utf8
en_CA.utf8
en_DK.utf8
en_GB.utf8
en_HK.utf8
en_IE.utf8
en_IN
en_IN.utf8
en_NG
en_NG.utf8
en_NZ.utf8
en_PH.utf8
en_SG.utf8
en_US.utf8
en_ZA.utf8
en_ZMSin nombre
en_ZM.utf8
en_ZW.utf8
es_AR.utf8
es_BO.utf8
es_CL.utf8
es_CO.utf8
es_CR.utf8
es_CU
es_CU.utf8
es_DO.utf8
es_EC.utf8
es_ES.utf8
es_GT.utf8
es_HN.utf8
es_MX.utf8
es_NI.utf8
es_PA.utf8
es_PE.utf8
es_PR.utf8
es_PY.utf8
es_SV.utf8
es_US.utf8
es_UY.utf8
es_VE.utf8
POSIX

But invoking just locale produces weird results:

knut@knubuntu:~$ locale
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
LANG=es_C.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=es:de:en_GB:en_US:en
LC_CTYPE=es_C.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=es_C.UTF-8
LC_TIME=es_C.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=es_C.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=es_C.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=es_C.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=es_C.UTF-8
LC_NAME=es_C.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=es_C.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=es_C.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=es_C.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=es_C.UTF-8
LC_ALL=

Please notice the weird locale es_C.UTF-8.

After further investigation I encountered the file
~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh with following contents:

export LANG=es_C.UTF-8
export LANGUAGE=es:de:en_GB:en_US:en

Deleting it I at least got rid of es_C.UTF-8. BTW, as a look into my
backups revealed, above mentioned file didn't exist before the update.
At least it did not exist a week before the update and meanwhile I did
not make any changes to the localization.

3. Hoping this might fix the problem I shortly after the update to
4.11.3. updated to 4.12 from the backport ppa's. It did not help. I
suppose the problem is caused by a bug in the package systemsettings
which inspite of the update to 4.12 still is 4:4.11.3-0ubuntu01. At
least I could not find any other kde related package responsible for
language settings.  language-selctor-kde, as proposed in a post I found,
doesn't exist in the Saucy repositories.

BTW, I installed language-selctor-gnome and could access all
localization setting for gnome application without problem. Thus I
suppose this is a kde related problem.

Here the basics again:

 knut@knubuntu:~$ lsb_release -a
LSB Version:
core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch:core-4.1-ia32:core-4.1-noarch:security-4.0-ia32:security-4.0-noarch:security-4.1-ia32:security-4.1-noarch
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:Ubuntu 13.10
Release:13.10
Codename:   saucy

knut@knubuntu:~$ uname -a
Linux knubuntu 3.11.0-14-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Nov 12 17:07:40 UTC 2013 
i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux

knut@knubuntu:~$ kded4 --version
Qt: 4.8.4
KDE Development Platform: 4.12.0
KDE Daemon: 4.12.0

Package systemsettings is 4:4.11.3-0ubuntu01

Furtherrmore I add some screenshots made from kmail and systemsettings.

I hope this information may help fix the bug soon.


Knut

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[Bug 1255761] Re: Can't configure country, languages, or spell checker

2013-12-21 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
Well, /usr/share/locale/all_languages didn't exist. Just reinstalling
kdelibs5-data didn't help to bring it back. Following Steve's suggestion
and uninstalling localepurge first did the job. But it helped only
partially.

1. In systemsettings language I get the list with all languages again
and even can choose my preferred languages. But still there are no
flags, neither in the language setting dialogue nor for the keyboard
switch widget in the taskbar.

2. I still can't choose any other currency except US dollar, but even
for that not a symbol.

3. No change in the country tab. It still offers System Country () and
No Country (Default Settings). Doesn't state that Spanish is set als
system language nor offers to change that.

4. In systemsettings dictionary I can choose now from German ()
English () English Spanish () Spanish. Notice that English and
Spanish occure twice and German only once.

5. In kmail the situation imporved partially. I can now select die
dictionary for spell checking again. Only drawback, the German
dictionary doesn't work, whereas  both English and Spanish dictionaries
do. And German unfortunately is the one I use most ;-(

6 The localization of the kde applications seems to work again. Menus
are in the language that is the top one in Preferred Languages, except
for the applications where the language was set separately.

Furthermor I noticed that ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh is back again. It
actually is created every time language settings are saved. And it still
messes up locales. After reinstalling kdelibs5-data and making some
changes to language settings they looked as follows:


knut@knubuntu:~$ locale
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
LANG=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LANGUAGE=de:es:en_GB:en
LC_CTYPE=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_NUMERIC=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_TIME=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_COLLATE=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_MONETARY=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_MESSAGES=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_PAPER=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_NAME=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_ADDRESS=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_TELEPHONE=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_MEASUREMENT=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_IDENTIFICATION=de_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_ALL=

with ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh:

export LANG=de_C.ISO-8859-1
export LANGUAGE=de:es:en_GB:en


knut@knubuntu:~$ locale
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
LANG=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LANGUAGE=es:de:en_GB:en
LC_CTYPE=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_NUMERIC=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_TIME=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_COLLATE=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_MONETARY=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_MESSAGES=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_PAPER=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_NAME=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_ADDRESS=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_TELEPHONE=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_MEASUREMENT=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_IDENTIFICATION=es_C.ISO-8859-1
LC_ALL=

with ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh:

export LANG=es_C.ISO-8859-1
export LANGUAGE=es:de:en_GB:en


knut@knubuntu:~$ locale
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
LANG=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LANGUAGE=en_GB:es:de:en
LC_CTYPE=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_TIME=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_COLLATE=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_MONETARY=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_PAPER=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_NAME=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_ADDRESS=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
LC_ALL=

with ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh:

export LANG=en_GB.ISO-8859-1
export LANGUAGE=en_GB:es:de:en

In all cases instead of UTF-8 ISO-8859-1 was set as charset which
interferred with quite a few applications as digikam and kontact. And
except for the English setting we again have strange locales like
de_C.ISO-8859-1 or es_C.ISO-8859-1. After I deleted the file everything
went back to normal and the system works as above stated. The only thing
I have do do that it stays like that, is deleting
~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh every time I make changes to language settings
in systemsettings. BTW, after deleting it the first time at least the
ISO-8859-1 charset isn't appended anymore, but UTF-8 again.

So I would say it more or less works for me again with some minor
drawbacks - like deleting ~/.kde/env/setlocale.sh business and the
missing flags and currency symbols - and of course the missing German
spell checking, which I regard a major loss.

BTW, apart from reinstalling kdelibs5-data I reinstalled all laguage
packages including those for kde and gnome. Only exception packages
related to firefox and libreoffice.



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2013-12-21 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
And here the output of debsums -c:

knut@knubuntu:~$ debsums -c 2 debsums-err.txt
/opt/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/GlobalPrefs/.config
/usr/share/backintime/kde4/app.py
/usr/share/info/dir.gz
/usr/lib/kde4/searchbarplugin.so
/usr/share/kde4/apps/konqueror/kpartplugins/searchbar.desktop
/usr/share/doc/libvte9/changelog.Debian.gz
/var/lib/xine/xine.desktop

The output contained a load of error messages which I redirected to a
file that now contains almost 4.000 lines. Do you want to this file as
well?

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[Bug 1100622] Re: package kdelibs5-plugins (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/ktelnetservice', which is also in package kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu2.10.04

2013-11-18 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
Hi all,

want to come back to this thread since I ran again into the old problem
when KDE 4.11 came out. I could avoid it by not upgrading KDE, but when
it came to upgrading to Kubuntu 13.10 there was no way around it any
more. And of course, during the upgrade process all my KDE3 applications
should have been uninstalled. That is why I did some research to find an
updated version of kdelibs4c2a, which did not conflict with KDE 4.11.

Eventually I stumbled upon this post http://www.binarytides.com/install-
quanta-plus-ubuntu-13-04/ about installing Quanta plus under Raring. And
it worked for me. The thus installed Quanta survived the upgrade from
Raring to Saucy and runs under KDE 4.11.

Big drawback: all my other KDE3 application were gone, since the
original kdelibs4c2a was uninstalled during the upgrade process. And for
some reason they were not in the Trinity packages.

But I still could find them on lauchpad:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/i386/ Here I searched for all the
packages I needed and downloaded them. Then I edited them acording to
the procedure proposed by @robegue in post #17. I basically did two
things:

1. I moved all stuff whch was found under /usr to /opt/kde3, where the
Trinity packeges are installed

2. I edited the control file to change the dependencies which basically
means I added -kde3 to kdelibs4c2a, since the Trinity project renamed
all packages by adding -kde3.

Last but not least I added /opt/kde3/bin to the PATH variable to make
sure that the programs can be evoked by their name instead of the full
path. Probalbly it would be wise to add something to the man path etc.
too, but I couldn't be bothered.

@Silver Moon: as described above one gets Quanta plus running under
13.10. But you have to make sure to uninstall the kdelibs4c2a package as
well as the old kdelibs-data.

@Martin Schläffer: with the kde3 maintainers repository already exists a
PPA which holds a working kdelibs4c2a. The only thing, not all programs
found their way into this repo. What about publishing the missing
packages on your PPA? I could contribute hacked lucid packages for
klamav, kleansweep, knmap, knoda, kstreamripper and ktranslator. But it
would be a good idea if someone with more insight in packaging would
have a look at my packages first.

Have fun.

Knut

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[Bug 1100622] Re: package kdelibs5-plugins (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/ktelnetservice', which is also in package kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu2.10.04

2013-03-19 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
Hi Martin,

great idea. I'll join in. See you at the ppa.

Knut

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[Bug 1100622] Re: package kdelibs5-plugins (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/ktelnetservice', which is also in package kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu2.10.04

2013-03-17 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
Thanks robegue,

it worked like a charm. Got the new version installed and now the old
kde3-apps won't be marked for deinstallation on upgrade to 4.10 anymore.

There are two more questions I've got.

1. shouldn't it be pkg -I ../newpackage.deb with capital I. The other
option wasn't recognized.

2. wouldn't it be possible to get all the kde3-applications out of the
way by editing their respective Debian packages. What I mean is in case
of kdelibs4c2a for instance changing the directory tree like this:

/usr - /kde3

Wouldn't that mean, that all applications, libraries and documentation
files would be installed under /kde3 instead /usr? Adding the new paths
should be enough to make them accessible. The only thing that worries me
ist the file installed under /etc. But there it already has been
installed into a kde3-subdirectory.

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[Bug 1100622] Re: package kdelibs5-plugins (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/ktelnetservice', which is also in package kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu2.10.04

2013-03-17 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
And here the updated package.

** Attachment added: kdelibs4c2a_3.5.10.dfsg.1-6ubuntu2_i386.deb
   
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[Bug 1100622] Re: package kdelibs5-plugins (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/ktelnetservice', which is also in package kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu2.10.04

2013-03-17 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
Hi robegue,

1. you are right, my fault.

Didn't copy your command into the terminal but simply chaged the last
one and thus was invoking:

dpkg-deb -i ../newpackage.deb

The package I install with GDebi.

2. My idea was getting all the old stuff out of the way just in case
later changes in newer packages would lead to more conflicts like this
one. Moving the old libs and applications into another directory at
least would prevent them from being overridden, I thought. In your post
#14 you were mentioning that this fix isn't a long term solution. Hoped
my idea could be one. But maybe I think the wrong way. Don't know
nothing about packaging and even prefer tools like moun or synaptic to
the command line.

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2013-03-16 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
thanks robegue for providing the new package.

Can I use it with an i386-installation as well?

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[Bug 1100622] Re: package kdelibs5-plugins (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/ktelnetservice', which is also in package kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu2.10.04

2013-03-02 Thread Knut Hildebrandt
My problem seems related but is even worse. Upgrading via muon in
quantal from 4.9.4 to 4.10 worked like a charm but all my precious
kde3-applications, which until this moment resided  peacefully side by
side with kde4, were deinstalled during the process. Only could get them
back by playing back an image I fortunately had taken befor upgrading.
Giving it a second try I can't find a way in muon to get kde4.10
installed without kde3-applications being deinstalled. So my question.

Is there a new kdelibs4c2a in some ppa wich I can update to, so that
kde4.10 doesn't encounter a conflict? Where can I find it?

Or, how does this override-thing work. Neither muon nor muon-updater
offer this option as far as I know.

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