[Bug 676611] Re: [IDT 92HD71B7X] ALSA test tone not correctly played back

2010-11-17 Thread Peter Whittaker
And now, after entering bug, two reboots later, all is well. Sigh.

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[Bug 676611] Re: [IDT 92HD71B7X] ALSA test tone not correctly played back

2010-11-17 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Changed in: alsa-driver (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 676611] [NEW] [IDT 92HD71B7X] ALSA test tone not correctly played back

2010-11-17 Thread Peter Whittaker
Public bug reported:

Sound was working earlier this morning, had been since 9.04 (?Not sure
when I bought this lappie)

Stopped working. No idea why. Nothing is muted, all levels are up. No
sound.

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 10.10
Package: alsa-base 1.0.23+dfsg-1ubuntu4
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.35-23.37-generic 2.6.35.7
Uname: Linux 2.6.35-23-generic i686
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
AlsaVersion: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.23.
Architecture: i386
ArecordDevices:
  List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
   Subdevices: 1/1
   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
AudioDevicesInUse:
 USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
 /dev/snd/controlC0:  pww   30495 F pulseaudio
 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p:   pww   30495 F...m pulseaudio
Card0.Amixer.info:
 Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xdf00 irq 50'
   Mixer name   : 'Nvidia MCP77/78 HDMI'
   Components   : 'HDA:111d76b2,103c30f6,00100302 
HDA:11c11040,103c137e,00100200 HDA:10de0006,10de0101,0010'
   Controls  : 25
   Simple ctrls  : 14
Date: Wed Nov 17 08:05:48 2010
PackageArchitecture: all
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SelectedCard: 0 Intel HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
SourcePackage: alsa-driver
Symptom: audio
Title: [IDT 92HD71B7X] ALSA test tone not correctly played back
dmi.bios.date: 02/06/2009
dmi.bios.vendor: Hewlett-Packard
dmi.bios.version: F.26
dmi.board.asset.tag: Base Board Asset Tag
dmi.board.name: 30F4
dmi.board.vendor: Compal
dmi.board.version: 99.98
dmi.chassis.type: 10
dmi.chassis.vendor: Compal
dmi.chassis.version: N/A
dmi.modalias: 
dmi:bvnHewlett-Packard:bvrF.26:bd02/06/2009:svnHewlett-Packard:pnHPPaviliondv7NotebookPC:pvrF.26:rvnCompal:rn30F4:rvr99.98:cvnCompal:ct10:cvrN/A:
dmi.product.name: HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC
dmi.product.version: F.26
dmi.sys.vendor: Hewlett-Packard

** Affects: alsa-driver (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Invalid


** Tags: apport-bug i386 maverick

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[Bug 288185] Re: Evolution plain-text email includes formatting "stuff" - should be pure plain text

2010-07-11 Thread Peter Whittaker
Can someone explain the status change (from unknown to new)? Just
curious. Also curious whether there will be action on this, it continues
to be a usability pain. Thanks!

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Re: [Bug 566544] Re: evolution-alarm-notify crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()

2010-04-19 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 20:09 +, Pedro Villavicencio wrote:
> this looks similar to bug
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596204 ; are you still able
> to reproduce the crash?

Evolution-alarm-notify crashes have almost always been unpredictable for
me, but they almost always follow waking from suspend. I've never been
able to get one to occur reliability, but when they occur they tend to
come in consistent bunches (get several over a course of days, then not
again for weeks/months).

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[Bug 429953] Re: gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 429964 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/429964

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 429964
   gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV

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[Bug 429964] Re: gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
I've closed this (marked as invalid) since this happened during the
Karmic release cycle, has not occurred with production Karmic, and has
not occurred with Lucid. The bug just ain't there no more.

** Changed in: nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 105868] Re: time "until charged" is wrongly calculated

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
Folks, there have been no updates or activity on this report for over a
year. Does the problem continue to occur, with Karmic (or Lucid, if you
are using the beta)?

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[Bug 321605] Re: sound cant be heard on HP laptop, I cant reproduct sound, cant hear anything on ubuntu 9.04

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
Since a new report has been filed, since others no longer experience
this issue, and there have been no updates for 5+ months I am closing
this report (marking as invalid).

** Changed in: alsa-driver (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Invalid

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[Bug 60243] Re: Does not resume from suspend

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
There have been no updates or activity on this bug for over a year. Does
the behavior still occur under Karmic (or under the Lucid beta)?

If so, please run the command

apport-collect -p linux 60243

in a terminal window.

If anyone is experiencing a similar problem - but not this exact problem
- please attempt first to find a bug report that matches the problem you
are experiencing; if you find such a report, please attempt to provide
any information by the developers, including possibly running "apport-
collect -p linux theBugNumber".

If you do not find such a report the behavior your are experiencing,
please open a new report as described in
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[Bug 246659] Re: Backuppc no compression when change topdir

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
Does this problem persist in 9.10 (Karmic) or in the Lucid beta? The
RedHat bug report is somewhat confusing as to whether the cpool patch
has been released

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[Bug 75497] Re: Asus P4P800 motherboard doesn't suspend

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
Folks, no new information has been added to this report in almost a
year. Could someone please try this with Karmic, or perhaps the Lucid
beta?

If the bug continue to occur, please run the command

apport-collect -p linux 75497

in a terminal window.

If anyone is experiencing a similar problem - but not this exact problem
- please attempt first to find a bug report that matches the problem you
are experiencing; if you find such a report, please attempt to provide
any information by the developers, including possibly running "apport-
collect -p linux theBugNumber".

If you do not find such a report the behavior your are experiencing,
please open a new report as described in
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies

If the behavior no longer occurs or if no new information is provided, I
will close this in about two weeks.

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[Bug 78163] Re: cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state returns closed

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
Dave, does this behavior still occur under Karmic? (Or under Lucid, if
you have been trying the beta?)

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[Bug 91599] Re: reclose the CD tray if a CD is mounted and fight with gnome for eject key

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
Didier, are you still experiencing this behavior? Under what release?
Thanks!

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[Bug 50692] Re: New Sony Vaios hotkeys don't work (fn_key polling)

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
There was no activity on this bug report for 2+ years, then a couple of
recent comments. In all likelihood this should be closed as invalid - I
will do that in about 2 weeks unless there are updates with new
information.

The type of information required: What release are you running? Are all
updates applied? Is the sony-laptop module installed (if applicable - it
may have been superseded by recent kernel updates)?

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[Bug 79504] Re: vbetool crash report

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
I'm closing this report - marking as invalid - as there has been no
activity for almost a year.

** Changed in: vbetool (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => Invalid

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[Bug 349985] Re: [Dell Inc. Studio 1535] suspend/resume failure

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
I no longer have this machine and can no longer test the problem, so I
am marking this as invalid and moving on.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => Invalid

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[Bug 432230] Re: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
Changed status to Invalid: No further problems, all features work
(sound, video, etc.), dimness upon resume is an occasional and
irreproducible problem. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, no
pattern.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Invalid

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[Bug 476729] Re: Evolution freezes when adding attachement

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
Folks, I'd like to close this as it is likely the problem has been fixed
- please refer to bug# 460710. If you are still experiencing this with
Karmic, please make sure that you have all updates applied, then attempt
to reproduce the bug using the steps above.

If you are no longer experiencing this, please let us know so we can
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[Bug 43961] Re: Power down after shutdown does not work...

2010-03-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
There has been no activity on this bug report for over 60 days, and there was 
almost a full year between the last two comments. It's probably time to close 
it once and for all (status is Triaged for Linux (Ubuntu), but just in case
 
If anyone is experiencing this exact problem with Karmic or Lucid, please run 
the following command:
 
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in a terminal window.
 
If anyone is experiencing a similar problem - but not this exact problem - 
please attempt first to find a bug report that matches the problem you are 
experiencing; if you find such a report, please attempt to provide any 
information by the developers, including possibly running "apport-collect -p 
linux theBugNumber".
 
If you do not find such a report the behavior your are experiencing, please 
open a new report as described in 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelTeamBugPolicies
 
Please do NOT attach new information to or otherwise update this report with 
workarounds or information related to other bugs.
 
I will mark this bug as invalid in two weeks if there are no relevant updates.

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[Bug 432230] Re: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2010-03-23 Thread Peter Whittaker
Update: I found the trick for changing brightness on this machine (sigh,
let's chalk it up to user error and leave it at that). This means that
as of today's updates,
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/432230/comments/7
is the correct summary: Suspend works, except for the "via dbus whilst
on AC", resume works, brightness can be restored to proper levels.

The original problem hasn't recurred for months.

Everything else seems fine, so we can:

1) Close this report, and open a new one to track the brightness/dimness
problem,

2) Close this report, and ignore the brightness/dimness problem, or

3) Leave this open to track the brightness/dimness problem.

I'm sort of tempted by #2 (less work), though #1 would be more complete.
Thoughts?

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[Bug 432230] Re: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2010-03-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
Almost. I cannot restore the brightness. The dimness after resume is
permanent until I reboot. It is now that way upon any and all resumes,
where it used to be that way only when resuming after suspending after
being on battery (didn't matter if resume/suspend was on AC/DC, any
combo thereof): Go on battery, then suspend on AC or battery, then
resume, dim. No way to get bright.

Now it is perfectly consistent: Suspend, resume, dim until reboot.

Also, I'd quibble with "dbus seems to fail", but that's just a quibble
(the machine does not suspend and the test script reports an error;
that's an error with the script, expecting it cannot get, or with
suspend not happening when it should, but either way it is a clear
failure).

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[Bug 432230] Re: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2010-03-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
Hmph, submitted too quickly. Please note that with the dimness the way
it is, suspend is effectively useless, because the screen is too dim
upon resume for anything but the most pressing brief work. Please
consider this when assigning an importance level to the bug.

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[Bug 432230] Re: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2010-03-20 Thread Peter Whittaker
Good news: Recent updates (since Thursday March 18th) have restored
proper GDM behavior. I can suspend and resume, return to my session, and
move between VTs. I've run

$ sudo bash /usr/share/checkbox/scripts/suspend_test --full | tee
~/sustest.full

and have attached sustest.full. The only thing that appears to have
failed is the first test, suspending from dbus.

I've not had the "no network on resume" for a while. That's +

However, I do have the diminished screen brightness upon resume problem.
That's -

Given that lsusb, lspci, etc., were all attached when the original
report was filed, should I rerun and reattach them or is them some other
debugging information that would be more useful?


** Attachment added: "Output of  /usr/share/checkbox/scripts/suspend_test 
--full"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41462411/sustest.full

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[Bug 432230] Re: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2010-03-18 Thread Peter Whittaker
Oh, forgot one thing: On resume under Lucid, networking is often - but
not always - disabled. I have to option-click the network-manager icon
and enable it explicitly. Unplugging and replugging the Ethernet cable
doesn't do it, nor does turning the radio on and off. (I usually have
the radio off.)

Under Jaunty and Karmic, wired networking was always fine. (Wireless had
unreproducible flakiness, but worked most of the time.)

(By option-click I mean the "other" mouse button; I use a left-handed
mouse, so it's left click, but not your left click :->)

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[Bug 432230] Re: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2010-03-18 Thread Peter Whittaker
The "suspend-test --full" test is unavailable to me because of the GDM
restart issue: A terminal window within gnome disappears when GDM
restarts, and as of now, for whatever reason, I can no longer get a
console prompt. After rebooting the machine a few minutes ago, the first
several times I tried getting to VT1, not only did I get a blank screen
on the VT, but GDM restarted - I was back at gnome login.

After letting the gnome session "sit" for a while (long enough for the
screensaver to come on, I can at least attempt to navigate away and back
to VT7 and gnome without losing that session, but other VTs are still
unavailable to me.

FWIW, suspend-test results visible before losing my gnome session were:

suspend for 20s via dbus while on AC: failed.

suspend for 20s via dbus while off AC: succeeded, but resume got me back
to a gnome login session.

At this point, guidance is required. Not being able to get to a console
is a serious handicap, and the problem may not be kernel resume but GDM
or display related. Without the console, the standard debugging
techniques seem out of reach.

All suggestions for a way forward are welcome.

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[Bug 432230] Re: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2010-03-18 Thread Peter Whittaker
Suspend on this machine has always been flaky*, but with Lucid the
problems are perfectly reproducible.

The major problem with Lucid is that suspend-and-resume restarts my GDM
session. I've tested with two users logged in (regular and test) and
after resume, I cannot delete the test user because the system thinks
the test user is still logged in. Yet here I am back at the login
console.

How to reproduce:

Boot machine
Login, get a gnome session going
Suspend by closing lid, choosing suspend from gnome's 'power button' menu, 
pm-suspend, etc.
Resume by pressing the Fn key or opening the lid
Presented with login prompt

Therefore, this is a resume failure. I've had no flashing caps-lock,
been looking for that for a while. This cycle worked with Intrepid and
Karmic, though it had its flakiness (Occasionally, display would be
dimmed, if resuming on power after suspending on battery; required
reboot to fix. Occasionally, would not resume and power button was
disabled, had to remove battery and unplug to "free" the machine, then
power-up.)

The reboot with no_console_suspend and

setfont /usr/share/consolefonts/Uni1-VGA8.psf.gz
sudo pm-suspend

trick produced nothing. No output, same results.

I've not tried hibernate yet, I never use it.

I am about to run checkbox's suspend-test.

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Re: [Bug 348757] Re: [Dell Inc. Studio 1535] suspend/resume failure [non-free: fglrx]

2010-03-13 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 20:32 +, Jeremy Foshee wrote:
> This bug report was marked as Triaged a while ago but has not had any
> updated comments for quite some time.  Please let us know if this issue
> remains in the current Ubuntu release,

I no longer have the affected machine and so am unable to test with the
new release. Please mark this as closed (I would do it myself but have
been unable to login to Launchpad for sometime now - an effect of being
an edge user?). Thanks.

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Re: [Bug 84898] Re: After resume, video playback is order of magnitude slower than normal

2010-03-13 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 06:52 +, Jeremy Foshee wrote:
> This bug report was marked as Triaged a while ago but has not had any
> updated comments for quite some time.  Please let us know if this issue
> remains in the current Ubuntu release,

I no longer have the affected machine and so am unable to test with the
new release. Please mark this as closed (I would do it myself but have
been unable to login to Launchpad for sometime now - an effect of being
an edge user?). Thanks.

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[Bug 505637] Re: package gnome-screensaver 2.28.0-0ubuntu3.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)

2010-01-10 Thread Peter Whittaker
Interesting. That crash occurred before I opened update-manager to apply
the available upgrades. Once update-manager was started, it was allowed
to work to completion (and all upgrades on these machines are manually
initiated).

Difficult to reproduce, at any rate.

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[Bug 505637] Re: package gnome-screensaver 2.28.0-0ubuntu3.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)

2010-01-10 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "AptOrdering.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37684878/AptOrdering.txt

** Attachment added: "Dependencies.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37684879/Dependencies.txt

** Attachment added: "Dmesg.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37684880/Dmesg.txt

** Attachment added: "DpkgTerminalLog.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37684881/DpkgTerminalLog.txt

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[Bug 505637] [NEW] package gnome-screensaver 2.28.0-0ubuntu3.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)

2010-01-10 Thread Peter Whittaker
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnome-screensaver

automatic crash report

ProblemType: Package
Architecture: i386
Date: Sun Jan  3 10:56:21 2010
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
ErrorMessage: subprocess new post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)
Package: gnome-screensaver 2.28.0-0ubuntu3.2
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-16.53-generic
SourcePackage: gnome-screensaver
Title: package gnome-screensaver 2.28.0-0ubuntu3.2 failed to install/upgrade: 
subprocess new post-removal script killed by signal (Interrupt)
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-16-generic i686

** Affects: gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-package i386

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[Bug 496946] [NEW] Nokia 6085 not recognized; filing as per gnokii instructions

2009-12-15 Thread Peter Whittaker
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnokii

The page http://wiki.gnokii.org/index.php/Security_options says

if you own a Nokia and "Model" prints a code similar to RM-146 instead of 
the commercial
name of the phone please report this issue to the gnokii mailing list or to 
the bug tracker
of your distribution showing the version of gnokii, the output of gnokii 
--identify (the IMEI
is not needed), the name of the phone as printed on the box and a link to 
phone page at
http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/

$ gnokii --identify
GNOKII Version 0.6.27
IMEI : XX
Manufacturer : Nokia
Model: RM-260
Product name : RM-260
Revision : V 26.00

Nokia device page: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/6085/

Don't have the box, no name available.

FYI, I can get much done with this phone with

[global]
model = 6510

in my .gnokiirc. Much includes SMS, reading calendar and contacts, etc.
Haven't tried writing calendar/contacts yet.

** Affects: gnokii (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 460710] Re: Evolution hangs when double-clicking on attachment

2009-11-07 Thread Peter Whittaker
Brilliant - had the bug again this morning (had to force-quit
evolution), enabled karmic proposed, installed all proposed, tried
sending exact same email, same attachment, worked fine this time: great
work, fix works as promised.

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[Bug 476729] Re: Evolution freezes when adding attachement

2009-11-07 Thread Peter Whittaker
Is this is a dupe of bug# 460710?

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[Bug 448034] Re: package libpython2.6 2.6.4~rc1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '': Success

2009-10-10 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "AptOrdering.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33407476/AptOrdering.txt

** Attachment added: "Dependencies.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33407484/Dependencies.txt

** Attachment added: "Dmesg.gz"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33407485/Dmesg.gz

** Attachment added: "DpkgTerminalLog.gz"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/33407486/DpkgTerminalLog.gz

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[Bug 448034] [NEW] package libpython2.6 2.6.4~rc1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '': Success

2009-10-10 Thread Peter Whittaker
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: python2.6

running update manager, crash when attempting authentication (after auth
failure)

ProblemType: Package
Architecture: i386
Date: Sat Oct 10 09:06:53 2009
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
ErrorMessage: error writing to '': Success
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
Package: libpython2.6 2.6.4~rc1-0ubuntu1
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-13.43-generic
SourcePackage: python2.6
Title: package libpython2.6 2.6.4~rc1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: error 
writing to '': Success
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-13-generic i686

** Affects: python2.6 (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-package i386

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[Bug 442986] Re: evolution-alarm-notify crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()

2009-10-08 Thread Peter Whittaker
I marked this as invalid for three reasons: 1) it has not happened again
"on its own", 2) I was unable to reproduce it with a specific test case
(create appt 30 minutes in the future; put computer to sleep for 20
minutes; wake computer - reminder is successfully displayed), and 3)
there has been a considerable number of updates since the bug occurred,
it's likely it was fixed by recent changes.

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => Invalid

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[Bug 442986] Re: evolution-alarm-notify crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()

2009-10-06 Thread Peter Whittaker
Steps to reproduce? Sadly, no. Came back from suspend, it crashed, but
have yet to be able to reproduce. Has not happened otherwise.

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[Bug 432230] Re: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2009-09-17 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "AlsaDevices.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996870/AlsaDevices.txt

** Attachment added: "AplayDevices.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996871/AplayDevices.txt

** Attachment added: "BootDmesg.gz"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996872/BootDmesg.gz

** Attachment added: "Card0.Amixer.values.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996873/Card0.Amixer.values.txt

** Attachment added: "Card0.Codecs.codec.0.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996877/Card0.Codecs.codec.0.txt

** Attachment added: "Card0.Codecs.codec.1.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996878/Card0.Codecs.codec.1.txt

** Attachment added: "Card0.Codecs.codec.2.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996885/Card0.Codecs.codec.2.txt

** Attachment added: "CurrentDmesg.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996888/CurrentDmesg.txt

** Attachment added: "Dependencies.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996889/Dependencies.txt

** Attachment added: "IwConfig.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996890/IwConfig.txt

** Attachment added: "Lspci.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996891/Lspci.txt

** Attachment added: "Lsusb.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996892/Lsusb.txt

** Attachment added: "PciMultimedia.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996893/PciMultimedia.txt

** Attachment added: "ProcCpuinfo.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996894/ProcCpuinfo.txt

** Attachment added: "ProcInterrupts.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996895/ProcInterrupts.txt

** Attachment added: "ProcMaps.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996896/ProcMaps.txt

** Attachment added: "ProcModules.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996897/ProcModules.txt

** Attachment added: "ProcStatus.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996898/ProcStatus.txt

** Attachment added: "ResumeHangLog.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996900/ResumeHangLog.txt

** Attachment added: "SleepLog.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996903/SleepLog.txt

** Attachment added: "UdevDb.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996904/UdevDb.txt

** Attachment added: "UdevLog.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996905/UdevLog.txt

** Attachment added: "WifiSyslog.gz"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31996906/WifiSyslog.gz

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[Bug 432230] [NEW] [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure [non-free: nvidia]

2009-09-17 Thread Peter Whittaker
Public bug reported:

automatic report - resume failure

ProblemType: KernelOops
Annotation: This occured during a previous suspend and prevented it from 
resuming properly.  The resume processing hung very near the end and will have 
appeared to have completed normally.
Architecture: i386
ArecordDevices:
  List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
   Subdevices: 2/2
   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
   Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
AudioDevicesInUse:
 USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
 /dev/snd/controlC0:  pww2938 F pulseaudio
CRDA: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
Card0.Amixer.info:
 Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0xdf00 irq 34'
   Mixer name   : 'Nvidia MCP78 HDMI'
   Components   : 'HDA:111d76b2,103c30f6,00100302 
HDA:11c11040,103c137e,00100200 HDA:10de0006,10de0101,0010'
   Controls  : 36
   Simple ctrls  : 20
Date: Thu Sep 17 06:16:35 2009
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
ExecutablePath: /usr/share/apport/apportcheckresume
Failure: late resume
HibernationDevice: RESUME=UUID=cbc16eea-857c-4c9e-ab42-80baf1f550b5
InterpreterPath: /usr/bin/python2.6
MachineType: Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
Package: linux-image-2.6.31-10-generic 2.6.31-10.34
ProcCmdLine: root=UUID=dbc3c043-6c8a-4e8c-a035-9db6648687d2 ro quiet splash
ProcCmdline: /usr/bin/python /usr/share/apport/apportcheckresume
ProcEnviron: PATH=(custom, no user)
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.31-10.34-generic
RelatedPackageVersions:
 linux-backports-modules-2.6.31-10-generic N/A
 linux-firmware 1.18
RfKill:
 0: phy0: Wireless LAN
Soft blocked: no
Hard blocked: yes
SourcePackage: linux
Tags: resume suspend resume-late-hang
Title: [Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC] late resume failure 
[non-free: nvidia]
Uname: Linux 2.6.31-10-generic i686
UserGroups:
 
WpaSupplicantLog:
 
dmi.bios.date: 02/06/2009
dmi.bios.vendor: Hewlett-Packard
dmi.bios.version: F.26
dmi.board.asset.tag: Base Board Asset Tag
dmi.board.name: 30F4
dmi.board.vendor: Compal
dmi.board.version: 99.98
dmi.chassis.type: 10
dmi.chassis.vendor: Compal
dmi.chassis.version: N/A
dmi.modalias: 
dmi:bvnHewlett-Packard:bvrF.26:bd02/06/2009:svnHewlett-Packard:pnHPPaviliondv7NotebookPC:pvrF.26:rvnCompal:rn30F4:rvr99.98:cvnCompal:ct10:cvrN/A:
dmi.product.name: HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC
dmi.product.version: F.26
dmi.sys.vendor: Hewlett-Packard

** Affects: linux (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New


** Tags: apport-kerneloops i386 resume resume-late-hang suspend

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[Bug 269012] Re: Sound (Intel HDA9) doesn ’t really work (ALSA0) on Intrepid Ibex alpha- 5

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Whittaker
I never did get to that testing, sigh. Amazing how demotivating a
workaround can be.

At any rate, this problem is gone on my DV7 with Karmic - I let the
install replace the conf file and all is well. Marking as fix released.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 374487] Re: no sound in Ubuntu 9.04 64bit

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Whittaker
Folks, this problem disappears on my DV7 with Karmic. When you get a
chance, please test with Karmic and mark the bug as fix released if it
works for you.

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[Bug 321605] Re: sound cant be heard on HP laptop, I cant reproduct sound, cant hear anything on ubuntu 9.04

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Whittaker
Folks, this problem disappears on my DV7 with Karmic. When you get a
chance, please test with Karmic and mark the bug as fix released if it
works for you.

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[Bug 355747] Re: Choppy sound on HDA-Intel soundcard

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Whittaker
I've marked this as "fix released" since I just installed Karmic and the
problem is gone: Sound works fine on my DV7.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 318637] Re: no sound on HP Pavilion tx2510us

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Whittaker
Folks, this problem disappears on my DV7 with Karmic. When you get a
chance, please test with Karmic and mark the bug as fix released if it
works for you.

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[Bug 246659] Re: Backuppc no compression when change topdir

2009-07-13 Thread Peter Whittaker
I'm marking this as confirmed as it meets the definition of a real bug
no matter how one looks at it.

Not being able to move TopDir is a bug: Many of us have /var on / and
have / on a single fast disk, but want our main data on our SAN or RAID
array. For example, I have /home on /dev/md0 and set TopDir to
/home/backuppc. We can move it, but it isn't supported - not supporting
such a crucial feature is a bug.

Having hardcoded default paths is a bug. It never ceases to amaze that
hardcoded paths continue to make it into production software.

I've also added the symlink, hope it eliminates that error.

** Changed in: backuppc (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "Lspci.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28798059/Lspci.txt

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "Dependencies.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28798056/Dependencies.txt

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "CurrentDmesg.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28798055/CurrentDmesg.txt

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[Bug 84898] Re: After resume, video playback is order of magnitude slower than normal

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker
Problem persists wit 06-12 kernel (that was latest I could find for i386
arch). Apport reports coming up.

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "ProcModules.txt"
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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "BootDmesg.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28798054/BootDmesg.txt

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "ProcCpuinfo.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28798060/ProcCpuinfo.txt

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "ProcInterrupts.txt"
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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "HalComputerInfo.txt"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28798057/HalComputerInfo.txt

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[Bug 84898] apport-collect data

2009-07-08 Thread Peter Whittaker
Architecture: i386
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.04
HibernationDevice: RESUME=UUID=bacc4efa-22ee-4743-8c7c-80589337ff4c
Lsusb:
 Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS WLA-54L WiFi
 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
MachineType: IBM 26284TU
Package: linux-image-2.6.30-999-generic 2.6.30-999.1244801613
PackageArchitecture: i386
ProcCmdLine: root=UUID=29b76f26-472e-40c4-afae-6b0eda7980d7 ro quiet splash 
acpi=force
ProcEnviron:
 SHELL=/bin/bash
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
ProcVersionSignature: Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/proc/version_signature'
Uname: Linux 2.6.30-999-generic i686
UserGroups: adm admin audio cdrom dialout dip floppy lpadmin netdev plugdev 
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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Whittaker

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Whittaker

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Whittaker

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Whittaker

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Whittaker

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Whittaker

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Whittaker

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[Bug 84898]

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Whittaker

** Attachment added: "BootDmesg.txt"
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[Bug 84898] apport-collect data

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Whittaker
Architecture: i386
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.04
HibernationDevice: RESUME=UUID=bacc4efa-22ee-4743-8c7c-80589337ff4c
Lsusb:
 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS WLA-54L WiFi
 Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
MachineType: IBM 26284TU
Package: linux-image-2.6.28-13-generic 2.6.28-13.45
PackageArchitecture: i386
ProcCmdLine: root=UUID=29b76f26-472e-40c4-afae-6b0eda7980d7 ro quiet splash 
acpi=force
ProcEnviron:
 SHELL=/bin/bash
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.28-13.45-generic
Uname: Linux 2.6.28-13-generic i686
UserGroups: adm admin audio cdrom dialout dip floppy lpadmin netdev plugdev 
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[Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-06-23 Thread Peter Whittaker
Marking this as confirmed since it is still a bug, and a well documented
one given the contributions between 05-12 and 06-15.

Update: Plugged in camera today. Error -60 (as above), error -1 (as
above), errors in dmesg. Found this bug report (how could I have
forgotten it! :->), killed gvfs-gphoto2-etc., remounted camera, no
errors, able to import photos but had to start f-spot manually.

Difference between then and now? Recent system updates must have
restored sufficient sanity to unbork the system, though it still does
not work as expected.

** Changed in: gvfs (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Confirmed

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[Bug 269012] Re: Sound (Intel HDA9) doesn ’t really work (ALSA0) on Intrepid Ibex alpha- 5

2009-06-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
I can do the testing, but owing to previous commitments, I won't likely
be able to get to it until early July. (Yeah, I know it's only about 30
minutes of work, but every 1/2 hour is precious right now.) I've added a
reminder to do this around about July 3rd.

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[Bug 318637] Re: no sound on HP Pavilion tx2510us

2009-06-22 Thread Peter Whittaker

You might want to try a clean installation and the workaround suggested
on http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=331172

As root (sudo, su, however you prefer to get there), edit the file
/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and add this line to the end of the file:

options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1

Then reboot.

Please note that recent updates (applied between June 15, when I first
did the above, and June 22), caused the file to disappear - its entire
contents were copied to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. When this
happened, I was back to choppy sound. I restored sound by

sudo cp -p /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base

and rebooting.

Refer also to bug# 269012 and bug# 355747, and to
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting/#Having%20sound%20issues%20with%20HP%20dvx%20laptop

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[Bug 321605] Re: sound cant be heard on HP laptop, I cant reproduct sound, cant hear anything on ubuntu 9.04

2009-06-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
You might want to try a clean installation and the workaround suggested
on http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=331172

As root (sudo, su, however you prefer to get there), edit the file
/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and add this line to the end of the file:

options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1

Then reboot.

Please note that recent updates (applied between June 15, when I first
did the above, and June 22), caused the file to disappear - its entire
contents were copied to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. When this
happened, I was back to choppy sound. I restored sound by

sudo cp -p /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base

and rebooting.

Refer also to bug# 269012 and bug# 355747, and to
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting/#Having%20sound%20issues%20with%20HP%20dvx%20laptop

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[Bug 374487] Re: no sound in Ubuntu 9.04 64bit

2009-06-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
Please try the workaround suggested on
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=331172

As root (sudo, su, however you prefer to get there), edit the file
/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and add this line to the end of the file:

options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1

Then reboot.

Please note that recent updates (applied between June 15, when I first
did the above, and June 22), caused the file to disappear - it's entire
contents were copied to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf. When this
happened, I was back to choppy sound. I restored sound by

sudo cp -p /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base

and rebooting.

Refer also to bug# 269012 and bug# 355747, and to
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting/#Having%20sound%20issues%20with%20HP%20dvx%20laptop

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[Bug 163772] Re: HP Pavilion dv2000 No sound and No wireless

2009-06-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
Closed (marked invalid) due to inactivity.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 269012] Re: Sound (Intel HDA9) doesn ’t really work (ALSA0) on Intrepid Ibex alpha- 5

2009-06-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
I'm marking this as confirmed based on similar behavior on my dv7 and a
workaround that could form the basis for a fix. The workaround is to add
the following line to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base:

options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1

I write "workaround, not fix", for at least two reasons:

1. The user should not have to do this, and, more importantly,

2. After a recent round of updates, this file disappeared for me, but
it's entire contents were copied to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf - and
the problem returned! When I did "cp -p /etc/modprobe/alsa-base.conf
/etc/modprobe/alsa-base" and rebooted, the problem went away, sound was
good again.

The fix would be to have this option set by default for the dv7 series.
This problem is known to the community, refer to these sites:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=331172
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting/#Having%20sound%20issues%20with%20HP%20dvx%20laptop

Refer to

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => Confirmed

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[Bug 355747] Re: Choppy sound on HDA-Intel soundcard

2009-06-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
I'm marking this as confirmed based on similar behavior on my dv7 and a
workaround that could form the basis for a fix. The workaround is to add
the following line to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base:

options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1

I write "workaround, not fix", for at least two reasons:

1. The user should not have to do this, and, more importantly,

2. After a recent round of updates, this file disappeared for me, but
it's entire contents were copied to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf - and
the problem returned! When I did "cp -p /etc/modprobe/alsa-base.conf
/etc/modprobe/alsa-base" and rebooted, the problem went away, sound was
good again.

In other words, sound was as described in this report, I added that
line, sound was good, there were recent upgrades (between June 15 and
June 22), sound went bad again, I cp'd the file as described, sound is
good.

The fix would be to have this option set by default for the dv7 series.
This problem is known to the community, refer to these sites:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=331172
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting/#Having%20sound%20issues%20with%20HP%20dvx%20laptop

Refer also to bug# 269012 - one of these may be a dupe of the other.

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 269012] Re: Sound (Intel HDA9) doesn ’t really work (ALSA0) on Intrepid Ibex alpha- 5

2009-06-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
Refer also to bug# 355747 - one may be a dupe of the other.

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[Bug 163772] Re: HP Pavilion dv2000 No sound and No wireless

2009-06-11 Thread Peter Whittaker
>From reviewing this bug, it seems it should have been closed some time
ago due to lack of required inputs. I'm unsure as to why status was
changed from incomplete to new late last year.

Unless there is a compelling reason to keep this open, I'd suggest
closing within the next week or two.

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[Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-06-04 Thread Peter Whittaker
Leandro, based on previous comments (e.g., around #132, etc.), I'd
suggest

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines/Comments

as a good place for your mockups.

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Re: [Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-05-16 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 23:18 +, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> could you install gphoto2 as indicated by the message before and try
> again to get the log?

I installed the app, tried again, but forgot to get the log. However,
the results were worse:

Install gphoto2

Connect camera: Error -60, error -1

No default application, no pop-up to choose application

Start f-spot, attempt to connect to camera, long delay, then
error: unable to access camera, unknown error

uninstall gphoto2, libcdk5, repeat: Same result!

So installing gphoto2 borked what used to work.

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[Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-05-14 Thread Peter Whittaker
I performed the sequence described above. For my daughter's account,
error message (-60) then gthumb photo import (her default action) is
started. For my account, same result as above (error, 2 dialogues); for
guest, same (error, 2 dialogues).

In all cases, despite error messages and extra dialogues, photo import
works fine.

I do not believe I made any other changes to the system, but now I am
doubting myself.

As for the command output you requested,

$ gphoto2 --summary
The program 'gphoto2' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
sudo apt-get install gphoto2
bash: gphoto2: command not found

The output of gvfs-mount -li is attached.


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[Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-05-14 Thread Peter Whittaker
OK, this is bizarre. To test default behavior, I restarted the system,
logged in, then issued this command in a terminal:

sudo chmod +x /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor

I did this in order to restore the system to default behavior, disabling
the workaround quoted previously in the bug report.

Then I rebooted, logged in, and connected the Kodak C533.

First pop-up was the "error -60" pop-up. Then, two (2!) "you have
connected a camera, do you want to open f-spot" pop-ups appeared. I
chose to open f-spot, f-spot started, the second "you have connected a
camera" pop-up went away on its own, I dismissed the error pop-up, and
f-spot was able to talk to the camera just fine.

I then turned the camera off, started a guest session, turned the camera
on, and got exactly the same behavior.

For whatever reason, it has gone from "doesn't work at all" to "works
with bizarre extra dialogue and scary dialogue behavior".

The only differences between today and last time I tried this are:

a) My daughter was also logged in last time (she had logged in first),
and

b) the chmod -x, chmod +x steps done to make things work last time and
to test this time.

When my daughter gets home, I will try this again. This is what we will
do:

Start the machine. She will log in. She will attempt to connect the
camera. She will disconnect the camera. I will log in. I will attempt to
connect the camera. I will disconnect the camera. I will log in as
guest. I will attempt to connect the camera as guest.

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Re: [Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-05-13 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 15:23 +, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> ok interesting, do you run a standard GNOME session?

Yes.

> how many users are logged?

Same result with 1 or 2 users logged in.

>  do you get the issue in a guest session?

The camera is with its owner, at school - I will try this this evening
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Re: [Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-05-13 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 14:03 +, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> What is requested there is extra details, ie "I plug the camera, get a
> dialog asking if I want to import photos, I click ok, f-spot opens and
> displays the error", is that really hard for you to describe?

(Taking a deep breath, counting to ten.)

Plug the camera in.

Get error -60 (who knows from where - the dialogue pops up)

Get error -1

No application is started. Nothing useful happens. Only error messages
appear.

What used to happen: Camera was recognized, user was asked if they want
to import photos or perform some other action.

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Re: [Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-05-13 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:09 +, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> now back to the issue:
> - gvfs does mount the device and locks it indeed

Does it? Many/most of us get the -60 error, some of us get the -1 error
as well, and many/most of us can do nothing with the camera without
taking drastic steps (e.g., killall gvfs-gphoto2, chmod -x gvfs-gphoto2)

> - software wanting to use the camera should know about that and
>  gvfs-mount -u if required, f-spot and gthumb at least does it

Really? See previous comment (it don't work).

>  - if  somebody has an issue with a software could you open a bug
>  against  that software explaining what you do and how it fails so
>  those  softwares can be changed to do the right thing?

"If somebody has an issue with a software"

With all due respect, Sebastien, these are the words of a cubicle-bound
coder and not the words of someone interested in assisting anyone other
than another developer. 

Most users - the vast majority who just want their computers to work
reliably and as expected - do not have the technical knowledge to make
the distinction you describe. They used to plug in their camera, it
worked. Now it doesn't.

For most users - the vast majority who just want their computers to work
reliably and as expected - the "software" in question is Ubuntu. That's
what they see. Sure, for debugging purposes this can be refined by
triagers or developers who know better, but that requires insight and
inside knowledge.

This is a valid report. If it is not a GVFS bug, then please, since you
know more about the inner goings on of the software involved, please
direct it elsewhere. If you need to know something specific to assist
you with that, then please ask for it.

If the bug as originally reported no longer exists, then please mark
this fix released, clarify why this report does not apply, and
respectfully request that a new report be opened.

Continuing to shut this down as "invalid" is simply a slap in the face
to the many people who have tried to contribute to this report.

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Re: [Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-05-13 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:13 +, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> you might also describe how you use f-spot to get the issue, f-spot-
> import which is the default GNOME action has this code
> 
> "# make sure it's not mounted by gvfs, otherwise we can't access the 
> camera
> # (current F-Spot version does not yet understand GIO)
> gvfs-mount -u "$udi" || true"
> 
> which works fine here and should lead to no error when importing images

We get f-spot to work by killing gvfs-gphoto2 (as per the killall in my
previous comment) and marking the appropriate gvfs-gphoto2 script as
non-executable.

Then f-spot can see the camera.

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[Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-05-13 Thread Peter Whittaker
OK  Sebastien, I'll play this game - for a while. When I open the new
bug report, I think I will entitle it "Ubuntu can't mount digital camera
showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message".
That's pretty descriptive of the problem.

Then I'll add the fact that dmesg returns something that looks a awful
lot like:

usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3
usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
scsi10 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
usb-storage: device found at 3
usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning

Then I'll mention the fact that if I execute the following two commands,
the camera can be used in fspot:

sudo killall gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor
sudo chmod -x /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor

(Of course, fspot no longer opens automatically, I have to open it
manually and manually import the photos, but at least it works. Hey,
that's good enough, right?)

Then a few more people will add information about the same problem.

Then guess what? Deviens, si tu peux! My bug report will get marked as a
duplicate of this open, because IT IS THE SAME BUG! Exactement le meme.

Oh, by the way, the status you are playing? Tu ne suis pas les regles!
The bug status you should be using is "Wontfix". At least that's
descriptive.

Because whatever you say, this is a valid bug report (it contains
sufficient information to describe the  behavior, properly characterizes
the behavior as inappropriate, and properly characterizes it as a
regression. So it is by any stretch of the imagination valid.

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[Bug 285682] Re: Ubuntu 8.10 can't mount digital camera showing a window popup message: -60 could not lock the device message

2009-05-12 Thread Peter Whittaker
Whether or not this is a bug depends on expected behavior and nothing
else. Any other behavior is at best a workaround.

On my daughter's machine, plugging in her Kodak C533 worked fine under
Hardy and, if memory serves, under Intrepid. By "worked fine", I mean
that the default photo import application opened. This was EXPECTED
BEHAVIOR.

Now that her machine has been upgraded to Jaunty, this no longer works.
She gets two error messages, the -60 and an unknown -1. This IS NOT
expected behavior.

The fact that there is a workaround is wonderful. For the technical
user. For the rest of the world, this is a bug.

In fact, it is a REGRESSION. What worked no longer works.

Frankly, this is a matter of fact - what worked no longer works - and
not opinion - something works differently/better/worse but still works.


** Changed in: gvfs (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Confirmed

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Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-30 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 17:56 +, mac_v wrote:
>
> +1 .but the only thing would be to drop beneath in a few seconds * only
> when the user is working * but *remain persistent until the users
> returns to the system* and starts to work.

That seems a good idea. However, there are a couple use cases where it
would be wrong to have it on top but the user would not seem to be
working. Watching a full screen video, for example.

Perhaps "If screen is locked, stay on top until screen is unlocked",
then apply default behaviour, "stay on top for time T". This is a
cleaner use case, I think, fewer what-ifs and exceptions to manage.


> but i think this would probably not be possible at present, right?
> probably Karmic?

Not even, then, I would think, unless and until those doing the design
and coding come to believe that another approach is required.

> also whats up with no actions in the notify-osd, rather than using the
> fall back alerts, why not use a good looking notify-osd with actions ,
> when required!

My apologies, I don't follow.

Do you mean have a button on the semi-transparent notify widget "Do
Action A"? If so, yes, I agree. There should likely be three: "Do Action
A", "Dismiss" (notification never returns), "Snooze" (notification
returns sometime later; a default time could be displayed).

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Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-30 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 15:49 +, getut wrote:
> >The issue of trying to guess when is the best time to interrupt people
>
> MPT... "never" IS a perfectly valid answer to INTERRUPTING a user.

+1, mod parent up, etc.

At the risk of seeming like I am in love with my own ideas, this was why
I proposed the "semi transparent, always present, one window down"
notification widget. It would appear from the top right for system
notifications (you should upgrade) and the bottom right for user
notifications (you have an IM, email, etc.).

The notification would appear above the current window (unless operating
fullscreen) but would NOT have focus, then drop beneath after a few
seconds. When than window is closed or minimized, the notification would
be there, then drop down one again. Repeat as necessary. When all
windows are closed/minimized, it would be there, without focus.

It would say "click here to learn more" or something like. Or even
"click here to take action". It would also always have two other
buttons: Snooze and dismiss.

To me, this is as good as the persistent icon, since it is persistent,
but better since it is always there, until the user takes action.

It is better than the current approach, because it is always there, and
because it differentiates between system and user notifications.

Being semi-transparent and dropping away automatically make it more
ignorable. Being present until action is taken make it not-ignorable,
but in a far less obnoxious way than popups.

Other system notifications (volume changes, network connection changes,
etc.) would be ephemeral: Appear, then disappear. No action is required,
but sometimes the reminder is nice.

There would be defaults for what system and what is user, and these
would be determined by the community. Administrators would able to
modify the system list (for a machine or group of machines). Users would
be able to modify the user list for their account.

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Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-26 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 21:38 +, mac_v wrote:
> a bit too harsh there pal...

Harsh? Perhaps. But given the comparative levels of user frustration and
development intransigence, the frustration is understandable.

> asking the devs for an apology, is way out there!!!

Absolutely not. At this point, I'm starting to think that a contrite mea
culpa is the only way forward. People make mistakes. Most of the time,
admitting and accepting and moving on is the best approach. But
sometimes, when an error is upheld for so long by the errant party,
well, the errant party should apologize.

Up to this point, I've tried to confine my responses to pointing out the
obvious flaws in the Jaunty approach, to proposing alternatives, and to
suggesting how the process for introducing these changes could have
perhaps been improved. Not because of any inner saintliness, but because
I've spat vinegar a time or two and I've learned the hard way how much
it gets done.

But the development team response from SABDFL on down has been so poor
in this area that I'm starting to think vitriol is all we have left.

So, yeah, I think we, the Ubuntu community deserve an apology for how
this was introduced, for how it was clung too dogmatically in the face
of so much opposition of such quality, and for simple intransigence.

I don't think asking for apology is off base at all.

pww

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[Bug 292450] Re: Broadcom STA/wl driver causes random kernel panics

2009-04-25 Thread Peter Whittaker
I just updated my Dell MINI - wireless works against my WPA2 network.

Thanks, devs, great work.

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[Bug 292450] Re: Broadcom STA/wl driver causes random kernel panics

2009-04-23 Thread Peter Whittaker
Is bug# 300784 a duplicate of this bug? Should status against the Dell
Mini Project be opened here and bug# 300784 duped to this one? I'm
pretty sure they are the same problem (same symptoms on my Mini and
Studio 1535; this fix fixed the Studio) so we just need to get it into
LPIA generally and Dell Mini specifically.

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[Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-22 Thread Peter Whittaker
It occurs to me that notification changes should have been handled in
the same way as upstart changes, the availability of ext4. compiz
effects, etc.

In other words, do the work, enable the capability, but don't turn it
on. Not yet. Certainly don't make it the default!

Get it going, then invite people to test it. For example, have something
like both systems in place: The updates-are-available icon would remain
*and* the new sliding black widget would appear - it would say something
like "updates are available, as is a new notification system - click
here to kick tires". (Obviously, this particular approach is half-baked
- I'm just making the suggestion.)

It's an oft repeated but seldom fully understood development cliche:
Prototype, then throw away the prototype once you know what you are
doing. And Ubuntu will best thrive when it properly balances top-down
dictates with bottom-up designs.

In this case, I think we need more prototyping and more bottom-up/top-
down balance.

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[Bug 292450] Re: Broadcom STA/wl driver causes random kernel panics

2009-04-10 Thread Peter Whittaker
This morning I tried looking for a binary suitable for a DELL Mini
Netbook but nothing seemed appropriate.

$ uname -r
2.6.24-19-lpia

Help? Thanks!

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Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-09 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 16:55 +, mac_v wrote:
> wouldnt this problem be avoided if there was a reminder, which reminded
> me after my work was over, to restart?

I thought of this as well, and included a mechanism in my comments on
the wiki page - when you click on a system notification, you are
presented with three options:

 * Cancel (addresses the I'm about to reboot and I know about problem,
   I'll deal with it on my own cases)

 * Do now

 * Do later (with an option to specify when)

pww

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Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-09 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:41 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> Peter Whittaker wrote:
> > If you read my comments on the wiki page, you'll see I make clear
> > distinctions between system and user notifications: Let's apply that
> > distinction consistently. A user notification is a doorbell, it appears
> > in the user notification area, near where the user keeps their stuff. A
> > system notification is a firealarm and appears in the system
> > notification area, where other "systemy" things are.  

> So, a user notification is something like "John emailed you", and a
> system notification is something like "Your network disappeared"?

Yes, exactly. They are different events, different types of events, and
need to be handled differently. If I ignore the doorbell, chances are
I've missed a friend or a chance to donate to a worthy cause; chances
are I'll have another chance at either/both.

If I ignore a firealarm, well, it's not the sort of thing you do more
than once, is it?

So "John emailed you" appears ephemerally in the user notification area
(mentally, I'm viewing this as bottom-right, where the bubble fades up
from the bottom, stopping with its bottom edge attached to the bottom
bar).

"Your network disappeared" appears in the system notification area,
using the same mechanism (my little mental picture is bubble fading down
from the top right, stopping with its bottom edge attached to the top
bar). If necessary, they can decorated with something akin to traffic
signals (yellow triangles for suspicious conditions, red octagons for
serious conditions, etc., though I would like this to be configurable).

Generally, user notifications are ephemeral, allowing us to ignore them;
the one obvious exception is a user-triggered reminder, that is, a
reminder of a ToDo, meeting, etc., entered by the user. (Preference
allows the user to make buddy or email notifications, etc., persistent
if they want, and all user notifications are user configurable.)

System notifications fall into three classes: The always ephemeral, the
always persistent, and the ephemeral-but-may-signal-a-problem. "Your
battery is about to die, save your work" is persistent (using the model
I described previously - appear, then sink beneath the focused window,
reappearing as focus rises). "Important updates are available" is also
persistent.

Always ephemeral would include "Your battery is fully charged", "you are
now connected to network N", etc.

Trickier are "ephemeral-but-may-signal-a-problem": "You are now
disconnected from the network" may or may not be a problem. Chances are,
you undocked your laptop. But if you aren't on a laptop, chances are
this is a problem.

I'm of at least two minds as to how to resolve this. My first - and
distinctly inelegant - inclination is to periodically remind the user
("You've been disconnected for 90 minutes, is everything OK"), perhaps
even making the notification persistent after a time, but this would be
disturbing to the laptop user who has deliberately gone off-line.

My second - and preferred - inclination is an ephemeral bubble to draw
attention coupled with a persistent NetworkManager icon showing current
network state. I say preferred because it is fairly easy to do (since it
is what happens now - no more work required) and because it is
relatively elegant. (The only reasonable improvement I can see is to not
raise the bubble until the machine is being used interactively, e.g.,
when the screen is unlocked, in order to ensure the bubble is displayed
when it makes sense to do so - when it can be attended to.)

My third - and downright potentially Rube Goldbergian - is to apply some
sort of heuristics to determine how likely it is that the network
disappearing was intended. If the machine is being used and it is a
latop, then chances are the user undocked; if the machine is not being
used, then maybe the user undocked, but that's not a safe assumption; if
the machine isn't a laptop, then chances are it's a problem - the user
may have deliberately unplugged the network, but that in itself likely
signals an unusual, so having to dismiss a persistent dialog won't be
too unwelcome.

And I don't know if the data exists to allow intelligent heuristics.

All of the ephemeral-but-may-signal-a-problem will have to be use-cased
(hmm, Calvin was right, verbing weirds language) to determine
appropriate defaults and appropriate heuristics.

What do we do if we get any of these wrong, as we surely will?  We
discuss. We figure out default policies for all three cases, apply them
as best we can, likely succeeding more than we fail thanks to the 80/20
rule, and we debate the rest as a community and come to consensus.

Like we most often do.

Having said that, all system notif

Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-09 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 08:38 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> Peter Whittaker wrote: 
> > The OS is different - when the computer needs
> > to tell me something, I probably shouldn't ignore it. Think firealarm.
> >   
> Yes, that's true. But there are some apps that have fire alarms too -
> imagine, for example, an app which monitors  your RAID array and
> alerts you to failures and issues.

Ah! Now you are thinking like a technologist and not a user,
differentiating between the OS and applications based on whether they
are kernel or user space, as opposed to what they actually do!

>From the perspective of many - I would think most - users, something
that monitors RAID - or monitors anything about the state of the
computer for that matter - is not "an application", it's part of the
computer. In that view, "applications" are things users start to get the
computer to do what they want to do: email, IM, edit video, etc.

> My point is that we should have clear guidelines about what
> constitutes each mode of operation, and we should follow those as
> rigorously with the OS as we would hope apps do, as well.

If you read my comments on the wiki page, you'll see I make clear
distinctions between system and user notifications: Let's apply that
distinction consistently. A user notification is a doorbell, it appears
in the user notification area, near where the user keeps their stuff. A
system notification is a firealarm and appears in the system
notification area, where other "systemy" things are.

Both use the same underlying technologies - API calls that bring up
bubbles - but the presentation is different: firealarms and doorbells
are presented differently and both are different from normal apps.

>  As soon as we make exceptions for ourself we are weakening our
> argument

And foolish consistency makes a poorer system. Think back to the lack of
PageUp/PageDown under OpenStep on the Next boxes, because Steve Jobs
held the view it was a screen, not a page. So arrow keys giving you a
line at a time were the only way to scroll.

Jobs was being 100% consistent in his view, and missing the point that
ScreenUp/ScreenDown would have been handy.

> I *think* we're in agreement here :-)

Actually, not so much. Hence all of the on-going debate on this. It's
one thing to see a design, another to see the implementation. Some of us
saw the design and said "cool". Many of us saw the implementation and
said "Whoa, not cool".

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Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-08 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 19:55 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> I think it's important that we not treat the OS specially,

Mark, thanks for your comments. I think this one area where there is
considerable disagreement: The OS is different - when the computer needs
to tell me something, I probably shouldn't ignore it. Think firealarm.

But anything not from the OS - IM, email, etc. - is a doorbell that I
can safely if I want. They are very different types and need to be
presented differently so that users can easily recognize when which is a
doorbell and which is a firealarm.

Using the same signal presentation for both firealarms and doorbells is
a bug - the same underlying technology can be used, but the signal
presentation MUST be different.

I covered this in more detail on the Comments page in the wiki.

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[Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-08 Thread Peter Whittaker
I've updated
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines/Comment with my
(very long) comments from this report and have added text to answer some
of Matthew's questions and observations.

The wiki post has a few differences from the bug report, mostly because
my thinking got a little clearer: There are three zones (make the
computer do something; what I'm actively doing; other things I'm doing
or interested in) and two notification types (persistent system
notifications appearing near the 'make the computer do something' zone,
where the computer needs my help; ephemeral user notifications appearing
near the 'other things' zone, where the computer tells about stuff I
want to know about, like emails, IMs, etc.).

The two notification types are firealarms and doorbells. Users can
ignore or even disable doorbells, but firealarms are harder to ignore
and only an admin can remove them.

That's it in a nutshell, refer to the wiki page for details.

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Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 16:25 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> I'm not sure from the text description how your proposed
> persistent indicator would behave; perhaps you could post
> a mockup and example timeline on the Ubuntu wiki?

I'm not a graphics guy (I struggle with getting anything more than
black-on-white bullets into presentations) so I'm not sure how to make a
mock-up, but a timeline I can do. I assume that the right page would be
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines/Comments ??

Or perhaps just what follows will do?

1. User has three windows open, FF, email, gedit. User is working in
email.

2. Ephemeral notification appears - just like it works right now. A
bubble appears, disappears after a few seconds, user can react or
ignore.

3. Persistent notification appears: A bubble appears requesting user
action, does not have focus, user continues working in email. After a
few seconds, the bubble drops beneath the email window.

4. The user alt-tabs to FF - the persistent bubble moves to the top,
above FF, but FF has focus. The user works within FF and the bubble
drops beneath FF. The bubble appeared in the alt-tab list but the user
didn't choose it.

(This means that the window stack from desktop up is: gedit, email, the
bubble, FF; FF has focus.)

5. The user minimizes FF - email now has focus but the bubble appears
again. After a moment, it disappears.

6. The user clicks on show desktop - all windows are minimized, but the
bubble is in the notification area, waiting for the user to click on it.
As long as the desktop is displayed, the bubble is displayed.

7. The bubble never disappears. As long as the desktop is displayed, the
bubble is displayed. If an application is open and has focus, the bubble
pops above it briefly, then sinks beneath it again, taking top spot BUT
NEVER FOCUS when focus changes to another application.

8. With the exception of "reboot needed", the persistent bubble is still
there after reboot.

9. In the event of something urgent and important (Battery low, please
save all work and plug in or shutdown), keep bringing the bubble up.
When some threshold is reached, keep it on top, make it flash, make it
ring a bell, but leave it there. Never take focus.

10. Pretty much nothing else is both urgent and important: If there is
an email or an incoming phone call or anything else, display the bubble,
then sink it away. If I choose to ignore it and continue working, that's
my choice. Just like when I ignore the real phone while writing.

11. Never bring up a "real window" in the user zone. Ever. Only the user
can do this. Everything else should be a bubble, either ephemeral or
persistent, depending on urgency and importance.

12. The default policy should be that the only things that are important
and urgent are those that involve potential data loss. Everything else
is either urgent and unimportant - a phone call - or important and not
urgent - an available update.

13. If I think one of the above not urgent and not important items is
urgent and important, chances are I am sitting waiting for them and will
respond to them when they arise.

14. If a user has a video open full screen, persistent and ephemeral
will stay beneath the video. (It irks me when I am watching a video on
full screen, hit the volume control on the keyboard, and the full screen
disappears. Darned bubbles! :-> Other than that, I love the bubbles.)

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Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information

2009-04-07 Thread Peter Whittaker
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 14:21 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> It's not particularly productive to be covering, in bug report comments,
> exactly the same points as were covered in the mailing list discussion
> six weeks earlier. So if you could read the mailing list discussion
> first, that would be awesome. :-)

Thank you for your kind words. I did read the discussion - the entire
interminable discussion :-> - and was left with the impression, perhaps
mistaken, that the design approach that led to the original bug report
was in fact still the intended approach.

If this is incorrect - if the approach has changed in response to
community feedback - then my apologies, I misread some of the later
posts. If, on the other hand, the design approach remains the same
despite counter-arguments both reasoned and inflamed, then I offer my
$0.02 as to why this approach is terribly, terribly wrong.

Hoping that the designers have heard the community, sincerely,

pww

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