Re: [Bug 28835] Re: "Unmount" in volume right-click menu, is tech-speak and undiscoverable
Hi Oliver On 16 September 2010 17:14, Oliver Joos <28...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > @Luca: I understand your point. But it sounds a bit like: omit special > terms in Gnome, lets only use words we already know. Okay, taking a DVD > or USB stick from a PC has something to do with our physical world, so > "eject" is intuitive. But temporarily unregistering a filesystem from > the OS is an abstract operation which deserves a special term. I believe Luca suggested to unmount a filesystem automatically, therefore there would be no need to have any term in the user interface. > This even > HELPS newbies to understand what is going on inside the system, which is > an important aspect of OpenSource software. (Another point why I like > Linux more than MacOS) It helps newbies who/if are curious. When a newbie learns it then it becomes "the frobnization needed to unplug my media" anyway. For others it FORCES them to understand an implementation detail which they are not interested in and which works no matter if they know it or not. People use their media to solve their needs (watch a movie, copy a homework assignment, do a backup etc), not to learn what random obstacles (their point of view) they have to overcome to get their job done. It helps 1% of population once and annoys the rest for a lifetime. (I do care about teaching a new generation of programmers and power users but I do not want to ditch regular users in the process. I want to fix existing deficiencies, not to teach users how to workaround them.) > @antistress: do you mean all the various mental models of all Ubuntu > users? Or the one of the majority? What's wrong with the mental model of > the Linux inventors? In general the mental model of an author is different from target audience's model. (In 1970's the authors and users were the same people.) Ubuntu strifes to be good for all users. If we do not know how to achieve that then we aim for majority. Advanced users can tweak the settings anyway, and they seem to like it - even when there is no point of doing so. (Also they might want to uninstall X - many rants seem to be related to a GUI application now allowing to do something which used to be possible on command line only.) (Actually 'mount' is of an UNIX origin but that's not the point.) > To get away from discussing opinions I have another usecase: > 5) When plugging-in my USB harddisk/stick while running a virtual machine > (e.g. virtualbox), the host OS will open its filesystem(s). To hand over it > to the guest I have to unmount it from the host and (re-)mount it in the > guest. I really prefer to do this without opening a terminal. A real geek does not use automounting. (Shame on you!) He does know the name of the kernel module for FAT32/NTFS/whatewer and knows the plugged device's name in /dev/*. He will do this every time he plugs in a device because it is good for exercise/practice and because he has full control of the operation. It will teach you how hard it is to do things manually, specially if a person does not know the tiny technical details. It is a great opportunity to learn how to write a script which custom-mounts the disk when triggered by HAL or whatever system we are using now. (An possible fix is to mark the filesystem as "mounted by a suspended system instance XYZ - do not mount RW unless you are the instance XYZ". Voilà, your need is satisfied. Also users can now multiboot safely when their other system is hibernated.) -- Petr -- "Unmount" in volume right-click menu, is tech-speak and undiscoverable https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/28835 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 567913] Re: No audio in wmv-files: Cannot find codec for audio format 0x161
Marc Deslauriers: It is better to have a secure system than a compromised system with WMV+sound. In general reverting a security fix because of functionality regression is insane. I trust you had some reason, for example: - the original CVE-2009-46XX/security-issue22.patch in fact did not fix security bug (or any bug) or - the security bug is unlikely to be exploitable or - the bug is not exploitable if patches 01 to 21 remain applied or - the code is exploitable but it runs in sandbox therefore no real harm is done I suggest putting a rationale in an update next time. For those interested the patch is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/ffmpeg/karmic-security/revision/39 (Launchpad unfortunately does not link commits to bugs.) -- No audio in wmv-files: Cannot find codec for audio format 0x161 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/567913 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 28835] Re: "Unmount" in volume right-click menu, is tech-speak and undiscoverable
2010/1/6 Psy[H[] : > "Power down" is more correct than "Remove", because neither OS, nor computer > can not remove device physically, but they can power it down. >... > But "Unmount" is "Unmount" and "Power down" is "Power down" there is no > ambiguity here, so these words would be preferable. Fear of the word > "unmount" is irrational. In general "mount" is related to copulation. On Unixes it is something with filesystems but people live in real world more than they do in Unix world. The desire to avoid the word "mount" is rational - it is explained in bug description, comment #23, #26, #41, #67. Yes, users are irrational but there is nothing we can do about it. "Power down" - and some user will come and scream that just powering down is dangerous and he also wants to to unmount the filesystem. In fact he does not. He typically wants to remove the hardware and instructs OS to do whatever is needed for that - including perhaps unmounting, feeding the gnomes, checks if right falange is good or whatever. Implementation details. -- "Unmount" in volume right-click menu, is tech-speak and undiscoverable https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/28835 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 441491] Re: karmic koaa beta testing - msi wind camera not working
Actually the bug #276495 is older and has more information. Bug #441491 should be made duplicate of #276495, not the other way (as is now). -- karmic koaa beta testing - msi wind camera not working https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/441491 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 28835] Re: "Unmount" in volume right-click menu, is tech-speak and undiscoverable
Psy[H[]: "mount" is established between UNIX/Linux programmers, administrators etc. These people make 1% of population. Therefore "mount" is *not* established word in general population. The specific action of "unmount" is to remove something from something. People do not know what filesystem or partition is - this is our business, not users' (it is an implementation detail for them). Instead of "Please unmount storage before..." use "Please right-click on the drive icon and select 'unmount'...". The original sentence tells them they need to unmount but they still do not know how to do that. The second sentence tells 'how' (not 'what' - users do not care anyway) but user will only remember to select 'the weird word' in the menu. In general, users can not be educated. And we can design things in way that this is not a problem. Consider writing replies to me (petr@gmail.com), others likely already know the philosophy. LKRaider: That would be probably the best option. Unfortunately it looks difficult to implement. -- "Unmount" in volume right-click menu, is tech-speak and undiscoverable https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/28835 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 326891] Re: 2.6.27.11 kernel breaks r8169 support for rtl8102e
2009/2/12 Stefan Bader : > The kernels are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~smb/bug326891/ again (the v2 > versions). I tried the linux-image-2.6.27-11-generic_2.6.27-11.27b326891v2_i386.deb and now my ethernet works fine. Suspend to RAM works too. Thank you. Output of my lspci -vv -nn: 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02) Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. Device [1462:0110] Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- Kernel driver in use: r8169 Kernel modules: r8169 Also my WiFi "Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8187SE Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8199] (rev 22)" works, using some rtl8180 driver from http://msi-wind-linux.googlecode.com/files/rtl8187se_linux-04.tar.bz2, if anyone is interested. -- 2.6.27.11 kernel breaks r8169 support for rtl8102e https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/326891 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 313081] Re: r8169 driver (MSI Wind Realtek Ethernet) broken on 2.6.27-11-generic
Chris, the page you mentioned (http://k.dieplz.net/evolution/2008/11/22 /wlan-in-ubuntu-8-10-on-new-msi-wind-u100/) is related to WiFi card (RTL8187SE), not Ethernet (RTL8101E/RTL8102E, supposed driver r8169). -- r8169 driver (MSI Wind Realtek Ethernet) broken on 2.6.27-11-generic https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/313081 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 23332] Re: impossible to create openoffice files in nautilus
There was an discussion [1] on ubuntu-desktop list. The summary is that upstream (GNOME devs) is afraid that that packages will pollute the menu by too many items. If this happens distributions can fix those packages though [2][3]. There was an idea how to ease maintaining user's templates - its more difficult variant will solve problem of pollution by 3rd party packages and root-lacking user. [4] [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2008-October/001816.html [2] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2008-October/001834.html [3] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2008-October/001819.html [4] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558435 -- impossible to create openoffice files in nautilus https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/23332 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 276495] Re: Hotkey fn + f6 not detected on an MSI Wind
Pressing Fn+F6 does not produce anything in /var/log/acpid and xev does not say anything either but linux kernel produces this in dmesg: [ 981.802164] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xee on isa0060/serio0). [ 981.802186] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e06e ' to make it known. [ 981.804832] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xee on isa0060/serio0). [ 981.804851] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e06e ' to make it known. [ 981.830698] usb 5-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 18 [ 982.019784] usb 5-5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [ 982.020644] uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device (0c45:62c0) Now I can use "cheese" to see myself. After pressing Fn+F6 second time /var/log/dmesg says: [ 992.669868] atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xee on isa0060/serio0). [ 992.669885] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e06e ' to make it known. [ 992.673270] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xee on isa0060/serio0). [ 992.673285] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e06e ' to make it known. [ 992.675797] usb 5-5: USB disconnect, address 18 I used to have the same problem (the 0c45:62c0 Microdia did not appear after the Fn+F6 keypress) but it started working although I have don nothing to fix it. -- Hotkey fn + f6 not detected on an MSI Wind https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/276495 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 252143] Re: cant hibernate to swapfile
Thank you for the report. There has been rumor that hibernation on WUBI installs (which uses swap file) may cause freeze. So the hibernate feature was removed. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/224697 (I am not advocating the change, I am just reporting current state.) -- cant hibernate to swapfile https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/252143 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 224697] Re: Disable hibernation if swap is on file
Is this the current patch?
http://patches.ubuntu.com/p/pm-utils/extracted/30-swap-file.patch
User will have no idea why is hibernation disabled. What about
documenting the patch?
check_hibernate()
{
- [ -f /sys/power/disk ] && grep -q disk /sys/power/state
+ # There has been rumor that hibernation of WUBI system (using swap
file) causes freeze.
+ # See https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/pm-utils/+bug/224697
+ grep -q "/.*[[:space:]]file[[:space:]]" /proc/swaps && return 1
+ [ -f /sys/power/disk ] && grep -q disk /sys/power/state && return 0
}
--
Disable hibernation if swap is on file
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/224697
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[Bug 224697] Re: Disable hibernation if swap is on file
Disabling hibernation if swap is on file - is it too aggressive approach? I mean, the crashes are reported to happen on Wubi only (where are the reports anyway?). Some people use swap file only and there even was a discussion about using swap file as default in some distro since it make installation easier to newbies and has negligible speed impact (http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0507.0/1690.html). -- Disable hibernation if swap is on file https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/224697 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 174731] Re: [gfx]DRM driver is out of sync with moblin tree
> Update DRM driver to sync with moblin tree Better wording would be: "Update Direct Render Manager (drm.ko) driver to sync with moblin tree" People may believe they have Digital Rights/Restrictions Management in their computers. -- [gfx]DRM driver is out of sync with moblin tree https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/174731 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 56028] Re: Upgrade from Ubuntu 5.10 to 6.06 errors on coreutils_5.93-5ubuntu4_i386.deb
I have played a little with Synaptic and managed to obtain detailed info: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome debconf: (Can't locate object method "signal_connect" via package "Gtk2::Window" at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm line 73, <> line 1.) debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog (Reading database ... 8 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace coreutils 5.2.1-2ubuntu2 (using .../coreutils_5.93-5ubuntu4_i386.deb) ... Removing `local diversion of /usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.textutils.1.gz to /usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.1.gz' dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.textutils.1.gz' with different file `/usr/share/man/man1/md5sum.1.gz', not allowed dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/coreutils_5.93-5ubuntu4_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/coreutils_5.93-5ubuntu4_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Workaround: I do not know which file was about to overwrite which file - in fact I do not care. I moved both files out o a way, repeated the upgrade form Synaptic and all goes fine. -- Upgrade from Ubuntu 5.10 to 6.06 errors on coreutils_5.93-5ubuntu4_i386.deb https://launchpad.net/bugs/56028 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 56028] Upgrade from Ubuntu 5.10 to 6.06 errors on coreutils_5.93-5ubuntu4_i386.deb
Public bug reported: I atempted to upgrade Ubuntu from 5.10 to 6.06. During installation of upgrades the tool reports "Could not install '/var/cache/apt/archives/coreutils_5.93-5ubuntu4_i386.deb'". and "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2". (I have read the DapperReleaseNotes.) How did I get there: 1) Run System>Administration>Update Manager The Update Manager offered upgrade to 6.06. 2) Click Upgrade button The tool will warn that downloading won't be cancellable and start downloading. After downloading the procedure contines to probably install the new things. When it reached approx 10%, the mesasge above showed. 3) I clicked OK The tool The upgrading tool expands embended terminal window and apparently continues doing something (sorry, I did not watch it.) Then it displayed: Could not install the upgrades The upgrade aborts now. Your system can be in an unusable state. A recovery was run (dpkg --configure -a). installArchives() failed ** Affects: Ubuntu Importance: Untriaged Status: Unconfirmed -- Upgrade from Ubuntu 5.10 to 6.06 errors on coreutils_5.93-5ubuntu4_i386.deb https://launchpad.net/bugs/56028 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
