[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
"The 11.10 was a bit of a nightmare for a lot of us and the 11.04 (6months earlier) was even worse." The thing I always remembered about 11.10 was that I would get some stupid error message stating that it couldn't update after a week or two of installing, another time I used ubuntu 10.04 on a laptop with a celeron CPU (1.6GHz) and it was soo slow, then I updated the kernel to 3.5.4, it was fast but there was a wireless bug that caused the wireless to drop out. (I was mainly doing experements on it, so I didn't really need the Internet, but I did need it inititally though) "I found this article very interesting and it put across the key ideas much better than i could. It's a bit old but it's well worth reading http://librenix.com/?inode=21"; I remember reading a similar article about Linux and viruses right before I started using Linux. After I tried ubuntu on the netbook, I ended up doing a fork from lubuntu (as lubuntu ran nicely on it). And there is Zero viruses on all of the distros. That is why I love open source! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hi :) Sorry about my last post!! I found this article very interesting and it put across the key ideas much better than i could. It's a bit old but it's well worth reading http://librenix.com/?inode=21 Regards from Tom :) > > From: Martin Wildam <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> >To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk >Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2013, 0:37 >Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > >On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: >> Thanks for the off-list help there Marin :) Should help improve my >> relationship with my boss :) > >Sounds familiar to me... ;-) > > >> Programs need to operate without constantly asking the >> users permissions but have they all really been totally re-written so >> that they never need SuperUser permissions? > >I don't think so - with Windows 7 (or XP service pack something don't >know exactly), Windows even learned the symlink thing which can help >here (however most windows folks still don't know that they can do >this now using mklink... ;-) ). > > >> Have you tried surfing with cookies being totally blocked? Even >> microsoft.com gives a dozen pop-up asking >> you to accept this or that cookie with no real detail about the individual >> cookies. > >It's not only the cookies - on several sites you already have to allow >some included third-party web-site-java-scripting (either referencing >to other websites) to allow display of advertising until they show you >the real site content. So they urge you to view the advertising also - >otherwise nothing. But this affects every OS putting them on a higher >risk. > > >> I know what you mean about not wanting to be just better and safer but >> really being safe. >> [...] >> In Windows it seems the slightest thing can cause problems. > >I was also able to keep my Windows clean of Viruses - until 2009 where >I fully switched - because I had my ad- and script-blockers and I know >where to pay attention and what not to do. But there are plenty of >people, even working in IT, who get viruses because they forget to be >careful. > >I would be really interestet in hearing the opinion of an expert if >Linux is really safer than Windows or only the fact that >90% of users >running Windows make that OS the most attacked ones at client side. I >am pretty sure that at server-side there is full attention of hackers >is on Linux-machines but I don't know anything about statistics how >many Linux servers get hijacked to end up in a bot-net. > >Best regards, Martin. > >-- >You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug >report. >https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > >Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > >Status in Club Distro: > Confirmed >Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed >Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New >Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid >Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid >Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid >Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > Invalid >Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid >Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress >Status in The Linux Kernel: > New >Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > In Progress >Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress >Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > In Progress >Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid >Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > Invalid >Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid >Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > In Progress >Status in Ubuntu: > In Progress >Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed >Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > Invalid >Status in “linux” package in Debian: > In Progress >Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > Confirmed >Status in openSUSE: > In Progress >Status in Tilix Linux: > New > >Bug description: > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > all." > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives >everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they >like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables >the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise >to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give >
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) Sorry, i didn't mean you were deliberately seeking out trouble. Just that it seems you have done what most of us did in our early days too. There is a LOT of advice out there and not all of it is good for all occasions. Often people claim that the only legitimate way of doing anything is to do it exactly the way they do it. They imply that any variation on what they do is foolish = you have to get it exactly 'right' (according to them). However they seldom tell us why their way is 'better' and when they do it turns out that while their way might be best for them it's actually completely the opposite of what would be right for you. The 11.10 was a bit of a nightmare for a lot of us and the 11.04 (6months earlier) was even worse. Generally i find the 6monthly releases are Ok but the LTSes are much better (for me) because i find them much more stable. It does mean i don't always get the cutting edge versions of things but to me that just means i bleed less. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Firstly I report bugs that I find if I am on the internet when they occur. Secondly I am sorry if I come across as looking for trouble, but what I say is what I think could help combat this bug. Thirdly, when I was asking about overclocking I meant that there was no 'Custom Setting' sort of overclocking feature that allows the user to push the clock speed past the design speed of the cpu. (Ie. Pushing a cpu designed at 1.215Ghz to 2.1Ghz) The other thing is that a lot of computers don't have the overclocking feature in their bios. I do know however that Windoze has programs that do the overclocking on computers that don't have the feature. (I only have 2 computers that can be overclocked out of a dozen, one is a pentium 2 and the other is an AMD Athlon XP) Something I forgot to add in my last post is that when I first used ubuntu I actually bought the CD's from canocal, to be accurate is was that pack that came with Ubuntu 11.10, Kubuntu 11.10 and Ubuntu server 11.10. The first computer I installed it on was my Toshiba satellite L30. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) The best place to get normal Ubuntu from is http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop and avoid installing apport. It sounds like you are looking for trouble by trying to use unstable alpha-test versions that would only normally be used by certain devs working on fairly specific projects. Most of us never use any of that. We tend to stick with stable versions and in most cases the more stable the better. Almost all 'my' machines only have 12.04 LTS. It's easier to maintain. A couple still have 10.04 LTS (again because it's easy to look after) but they almost never get used. It's only my own home machine and the one i actually use almost all the time at work that multi-boot into other systems. Errr, they all have Windows as a dual-boot. None have apport and i have never used it. I get the feeling that you either are a dev or that devs have somehow convinced you that unstable experimental versions are 'better'. When i first tried moving from Windows i was looking for the "best" of the bewildering amount of choices and somehow settled on the server edition. It took me a while to figure out that what i really needed was a normal, reliable desktop. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
To all those who are asking: Firstly: I initially installed ubuntu 12.10 beta on the computer I am using now, I downloaded it from the offical daily builds. After that I directly upgraded to 13.04. Secondly: I do have the apport package, It will only start spamming about program crashes after apport is installed. Thirdly: The computer I am using origionally did have windows Vista on it. (It was very, very slow and it had a virus of some sort), but now it has only Ubuntu 13.04 on it. Fouthly: I have the Wine emulator. Fithly: I have other computers with ubuntu on them, same problem under the same conditions. Sixthly: The whole reason I swithched to Ubuntu was because of those damn viruses. (The origional computer I used ran XP, and got a 'super' virus that stopped me using ever way I knew to distroy it.) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Thanks for the off-list help there Marin :) Should help improve my > relationship with my boss :) Sounds familiar to me... ;-) > Programs need to operate without constantly asking the > users permissions but have they all really been totally re-written so > that they never need SuperUser permissions? I don't think so - with Windows 7 (or XP service pack something don't know exactly), Windows even learned the symlink thing which can help here (however most windows folks still don't know that they can do this now using mklink... ;-) ). > Have you tried surfing with cookies being totally blocked? Even > microsoft.com gives a dozen pop-up asking > you to accept this or that cookie with no real detail about the individual > cookies. It's not only the cookies - on several sites you already have to allow some included third-party web-site-java-scripting (either referencing to other websites) to allow display of advertising until they show you the real site content. So they urge you to view the advertising also - otherwise nothing. But this affects every OS putting them on a higher risk. > I know what you mean about not wanting to be just better and safer but really > being safe. > [...] > In Windows it seems the slightest thing can cause problems. I was also able to keep my Windows clean of Viruses - until 2009 where I fully switched - because I had my ad- and script-blockers and I know where to pay attention and what not to do. But there are plenty of people, even working in IT, who get viruses because they forget to be careful. I would be really interestet in hearing the opinion of an expert if Linux is really safer than Windows or only the fact that >90% of users running Windows make that OS the most attacked ones at client side. I am pretty sure that at server-side there is full attention of hackers is on Linux-machines but I don't know anything about statistics how many Linux servers get hijacked to end up in a bot-net. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) Thanks for the off-list help there Marin :) Should help improve my relationship with my boss :) All Windows 'security' seems to be just a layer added on top of a fundamentally insecure system. Where Win7 appears to have something similar to sudo or gksu that really feels like something that is just on the surface. Programs need to operate without constantly asking the users permissions but have they all really been totally re-written so that they never need SuperUser permissions? Have you tried surfing with cookies being totally blocked? Even microsoft.com gives a dozen pop-up asking you to accept this or that cookie with no real detail about the individual cookies. You just have to either 1. accept pretty much all unknown cookies or 2. forget even legitimate and 'safe' websurfing (ie NO 3rd party sites, only ones condoned by MS and security advisers) I know what you mean about not wanting to be just better and safer but really being safe. The way i think of it is that with Gnu&Linux i feel about 90% safe, perhaps 99% safe. With Windows i feel about 9% safe. Almost all the time i take actions to stay safe in Gnu&Linux it feels like it's just me being pedantic and unnecessary. In Windows it seems the slightest thing can cause problems. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > I am curious about setting up a login to a Ctirx server btw. Could you give > links or contact me off-list? I have sent you information. > Also a LOT of times i find that people claim to have become infected by > some sort of virus as a way out of admitting they might have done > something themselves to create the problem. [...] Ok, so > i've not found people doing that but they do somehow install all sorts > of strange crap and then blame anyone but themselves for having tons of > toolbars in their web-browser. In the case I mentioned there were viruses - definitely. And with IE (needed for work by this person) without any adblocker etc whereever you go you see at least 5 download buttons - even if you don't want to - it is easy to accidently download wrong things. Horror! > 1. Under coordinated attacks from thousands or millions of machines all at > the same time > 2. One network of servers that was left unpatched for 6 years and didn't > even have a maintenance chap sweeping away > cobwebs between machines! Not even so much as a reboot or even a glance > through their logs. I worked at a company where security issues of several web apps (written in PHP) were used to drop other PHP web apps and so they got an MP3 and video host (of course just for a while until the admin noticed it). > On the other hand i have seen people having to reboot Windows servers > every few days and keep patched wekly and put a lot of time into dealing > with all sorts of petty issues even for a simple internet-gateway, > little more than a router really. Yup, I know. Of course, windows usually needs more attention. However, in such things I don't want to compare a pitty situation (Linux) with a total desaster (Windows). I want to have problems solved instead of being happy, that I am not worse. ;-) > As for Gnu&Linux getting infected it's a relative term. People i have had to > trust have given me infected files which my > system remained immune to and oblivious of and then i have passed the file on > to other people. > Nowadays i tend to run an antivirus program purely to stop myself > accidentally passing on such infected files from other > people. Some people say that if Linux would be more widely used there would be more virus for it. I am not sure - I think there are some differences in the system (e.g. the executable flag) that make life harder for a Virus. Other things, like not working with full admin permissions is something that in the meantime even Windows users do in many cases and something like sudo (confirm administrative tasks) also exists on Windows in the meantime. > People such as Google are known to respond quickly if/when problems > arise. They don't spend the best part of 3 years adamantly insisting > there is no problem Don't know - I have written them of the probably hijacked server, but no response since then. Greetings, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) +1 I think MDV somehow got a corrupted Cd or else was using Windows and didn't notice. I've done it myself sometimes at work. Xp and Ubuntu feel so comfortable, even the 12.04. Win7 is not to bad either although it's a bit weird to get a pop-up box demanding to know if you want to do what you just asked it to do. At least with Win7 it gives a clue about what it's talking about so you are not just ok'ing things randomly (i'm sooo glad to have leap-frogged past Vista!) Regards from Tom :) > > From: Achilles12 > >Tom, >I agree with you. I also have the same response as yours to those problems. >Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone > > > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) Martin, i wasn't referring to you having bad Cd images, i was referring to the person that seems to have had multiple problems that the rest of us hasn't (or only had in certain unusual cases when doing something quite peculiar). I am curious about setting up a login to a Ctirx server btw. Could you give links or contact me off-list? tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk I wasn't aware of the options to over&under clock systems from inside OSes. I've only ever done that sort of thing inside the bios and by carefully selecting appropriate hardware (well, i have a colleague who sorts my hardware tbh). Also i've played around with quite a few fairly low-spec machines but not actual netbooks. With regards to supporting other people i tend to find that it really doesn't matter which OS they are given or how much help and advice they are given they somehow always manage to stuff up whichever system they are given. Of course some few exceptions. Typically i find the easiest ones to recover from and solve are Ubuntu or other OpenSource systems. The most intractable ones tend to be Windows systems that have become infected or where the user themselves has managed to actively destroy things. Wrt the banking sector's idea of security i have to say that banks seem to have the number 1 most appalling security. They have insisted on me installing ActiveX and Java in order to use their systems despite many high profile cases of malware and remote attackers using those to compromise systems. It seems they want me to installing unsafe systems in order to be able to blame me when things go wrong. If they used the same type of security advice for their physical assets then they would regularly be getting robbed by kids with water-pistols or old men with a bottle-in-a-bag. It honestly would not surprise me to learn they were using Windows 1998 server (home), unpatched, and with passwords such as "password" Wrt the virus resetting DNS to Google servers that somehow seems a bit t obvious. The fact that there was a problem was found fairly easily. Presumably even the weeu (wide eyed end user) noticed their machine was having a problem. Also a LOT of times i find that people claim to have become infected by some sort of virus as a way out of admitting they might have done something themselves to create the problem. It's better than them admitting to having gone to a reported attack site, downloaded something, chosen to run it and ok'd the computer's grumble! Ok, so i've not found people doing that but they do somehow install all sorts of strange crap and then blame anyone but themselves for having tons of toolbars in their web-browser. The only time i have heard of Gnu&Linux servers getting compromised was 1. Under coordinated attacks from thousands or millions of machines all at the same time 2. One network of servers that was left unpatched for 6 years and didn't even have a maintenance chap sweeping away cobwebs between machines! Not even so much as a reboot or even a glance through their logs. On the other hand i have seen people having to reboot Windows servers every few days and keep patched wekly and put a lot of time into dealing with all sorts of petty issues even for a simple internet-gateway, little more than a router really. As for Gnu&Linux getting infected it's a relative term. People i have had to trust have given me infected files which my system remained immune to and oblivious of and then i have passed the file on to other people. Nowadays i tend to run an antivirus program purely to stop myself accidentally passing on such infected files from other people. People such as Google are known to respond quickly if/when problems arise. They don't spend the best part of 3 years adamantly insisting there is no problem and that you should buy certain stuff to fix it and then finally admit that there was a problem all that time but buying their newer release fixes all that. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Perhaps you need to check that you have an official Cd or downloaded > from the official website and then md5sum or Sha check the Cd or Usb > that you use to install Ubuntu. I only use images from the official download page and while I installed my main 12.04 laptop (that I use for my work) from the original 12.04 image now I only have the 12.04.1 image left, so I cannot re-check the image as I don't have it any more. And apart from that - I am usually not alone with my problems - e.g. some of the kernel problems I had, I reported them directly to the kernel folks and got confirmed. What is far more probably the case: I have a lot of stuff installed (no games, no Wine but VMware, Virtualbox, Citrix, several VPN clients I need to access customers, 2 different versions of TeamViewer, etc etc). My experience with others where I install and support Ubuntu is that especially for distribution upgrades they tend to fail as soon as you do a little non-standard stuff (add some repositories for particular needs and the like). > 1. Overclocking and underclocking. Doesn't this need to be done from > inside the bios or by physical changes to the hardware? I've not heard > of anyone being able to do this from inside any OS. I agree it would be > good if Ubuntu could lead the way on this. My netbook offers switching from the panel - with the tool I mentioned above. Maybe it's just a fake - I never digged into it. ;-) > 2. If my internet connection drops out i just get a discrete > notification and the icon on the top taskbar changes to show i have no > network connection. None of that grabs focus and i can keep typing > without interference. Yes, you are right, when internet connection just drops that e.g. DNS down or so. But if the WLAN-Router is rebooted then you get those password dialogs. > A good example is that greater numbers of desktop users would NOT > increase security problems. Currently malware and remote attackers > focus on desktop machines despite that only affecting 1 person at a time > and thus being an extremely inefficient method of attacking people. But the attacks mostly done "automatically" from infected servers. Indeed two days ago at a family member I have seen a virus setting DNS servers to a server at Google - so you can be sure that there are even servers at Google that are hijacked! Also have seen even online-banking servers being hijacked and distributing viruses over the browser. Servers do get infected! And yes, even those that are running Linux! I have seen hijacked Linux-servers. However in those cases they always got into the system through PHP issues. Best regard, Martin -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Tom, I agree with you. I also have the same response as yours to those problems. Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> Sender: boun...@canonical.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:16:48 To: Reply-To: Bug 1 <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share Hi :) I don't have any of those problems. Perhaps you need to check that you have an official Cd or downloaded from the official website and then md5sum or Sha check the Cd or Usb that you use to install Ubuntu. 1. Overclocking and underclocking. Doesn't this need to be done from inside the bios or by physical changes to the hardware? I've not heard of anyone being able to do this from inside any OS. I agree it would be good if Ubuntu could lead the way on this. 2. If my internet connection drops out i just get a discrete notification and the icon on the top taskbar changes to show i have no network connection. None of that grabs focus and i can keep typing without interference. With crash reports i get a pop-up dialogue just once and have to cancel or allow it (ie it grabs focus). Either way it doesn't appear a 2nd time. The only place i've seen the type of behaviour that MDV described was in Windows, never in any Gnu&Linux. 3. Advertising would be great. Public perception of OpenSource vs MS is generally exactly the opposite of reality. A good example is that greater numbers of desktop users would NOT increase security problems. Currently malware and remote attackers focus on desktop machines despite that only affecting 1 person at a time and thus being an extremely inefficient method of attacking people. Attacking a server would affect far more people. A single server going down could affect hundreds or thousand of people rather than just 1. The reason we don't see more servers getting attacked and taken down could have something to do with the fact that almost no serious servers run Windows. Servers almost entirely run unix-based platforms such as Bsd or Gnu&Linux. 4. Dunno. I've not tried running Ubuntu on Atoms. However, on extremely low spec machines i have found Ubuntu 12.04 (using Unity) runs a LOT better than 8.04 or 10.04 (using Gnome). 10.04 was fine but 12.04 is better. Few to no crashes and no problems. Windows on the same machine constantly runs into problems. I've not had nautilus crash when idle even when i have many tabs open and some of those looking at local folders and others at networked file- shares. Summary So, it sounds to me like MDV either has a corrupted version of Ubuntu or is getting the errors on Windows and somehow think they are on Ubuntu. I would recommend buying some official Ubuntu Cds from the Canonical store and also try re-downloading Ubuntu from the official website. It would be nice to nkow where he/she got the version of Ubuntu from so that we could try to stop corrupted versions from being distributed. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: New Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: Invalid Status in dylan.NET: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in LibreOffice: In Progress Status in The Linux Kernel: New Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: In Progress Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: Invalid Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: In Progress Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in Arch Linux: Confirmed Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to all." "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for t
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) Wow!! Some good links there from other people! There was 1 release that had a lot of problems with "segmentation fault"s. That got fixed and doesn't seem to have reappeared in any of the subsequent releases in the last few years. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) I don't have any of those problems. Perhaps you need to check that you have an official Cd or downloaded from the official website and then md5sum or Sha check the Cd or Usb that you use to install Ubuntu. 1. Overclocking and underclocking. Doesn't this need to be done from inside the bios or by physical changes to the hardware? I've not heard of anyone being able to do this from inside any OS. I agree it would be good if Ubuntu could lead the way on this. 2. If my internet connection drops out i just get a discrete notification and the icon on the top taskbar changes to show i have no network connection. None of that grabs focus and i can keep typing without interference. With crash reports i get a pop-up dialogue just once and have to cancel or allow it (ie it grabs focus). Either way it doesn't appear a 2nd time. The only place i've seen the type of behaviour that MDV described was in Windows, never in any Gnu&Linux. 3. Advertising would be great. Public perception of OpenSource vs MS is generally exactly the opposite of reality. A good example is that greater numbers of desktop users would NOT increase security problems. Currently malware and remote attackers focus on desktop machines despite that only affecting 1 person at a time and thus being an extremely inefficient method of attacking people. Attacking a server would affect far more people. A single server going down could affect hundreds or thousand of people rather than just 1. The reason we don't see more servers getting attacked and taken down could have something to do with the fact that almost no serious servers run Windows. Servers almost entirely run unix-based platforms such as Bsd or Gnu&Linux. 4. Dunno. I've not tried running Ubuntu on Atoms. However, on extremely low spec machines i have found Ubuntu 12.04 (using Unity) runs a LOT better than 8.04 or 10.04 (using Gnome). 10.04 was fine but 12.04 is better. Few to no crashes and no problems. Windows on the same machine constantly runs into problems. I've not had nautilus crash when idle even when i have many tabs open and some of those looking at local folders and others at networked file- shares. Summary So, it sounds to me like MDV either has a corrupted version of Ubuntu or is getting the errors on Windows and somehow think they are on Ubuntu. I would recommend buying some official Ubuntu Cds from the Canonical store and also try re-downloading Ubuntu from the official website. It would be nice to nkow where he/she got the version of Ubuntu from so that we could try to stop corrupted versions from being distributed. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:16 AM, MDV <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Firstly something that would appeal to the gaming market is an > overclocking and underclocking feature, as some people prefer to do > overclocking in their OS, but we don't appear to have any such programs. > And other groups like to underclock their laptops to help fix > overheating problems.. http://helpdeskgeek.com/linux-tips/control-your-cpu-speed-from-the- ubuntu-indicator-applet/ > Secondly, something really needs to stop is Ubuntu spamming error messages > when there is a problem. > For example when Ubuntu has lost it's internet connection it will spam you to > type the password in atleast > half a dozen times Yes, you are right. I usually choose in the network menu to disconnect, when I face longer offline time. Of course then I don't see immediately when it is back - I have to test from time to time. > and when a program has crashed apport wil spam you to report the problem > atleast half a dozen times. In former times I got the option to report a bug and launchpad site was opened. Now it is the same shit as with Windows - I don't know if and where the error will be reported/posted to. In reality I don't see those messages as "spam" - I want to see if there is a problem and I do not want it to silently fail. However, the idea should be to get the appropriate stability in the way that those problems get fixed instead of muting the messages! > Thirdly, we NEED some form of advertising, as Micro$oft has almost > fallen of its throne. Ads on the TV (For example) that tell people that > Linux is the most secure OS ever and doen't get viruses would get people > to make the switch. (But would the switch also cause undetected security > problems to show themselves after being exploited by hackers?) MS really puts more and more advetising - too much advertising I have often seen as the last action of getting customers - when there is no more innovation and other reasons why people should buy the product. I am pretty sure, there will be a momentum of change in the masses even without much publicity. In fact, if many people would - in a gold rush - switch to Linux or Ubuntu in particular, I am pretty sure I would be affected negatively at least in update download rates, so basically I wouldn't see an advantage for me having the others going Linux. However: We need more Linux and Ubuntu users just for the sake of getting the appropriate respect by the software and hardware vendors. Currently far too many vendors do not consider users that are not using Windows (even Mac is still widely ignored). > Fourthly: Stability. Ubuntu definatly needs a netbook version again, as > Ubuntu runs horribly on intel atom processors and lags like hell (I > tried running Ubuntu on a 1.6Ghz dual-core intel atom that had 1gb of > ram). However smaller distros like lubuntu seem to work well. > Also, something as stupid as nautilus crashing when idle needs to be fixed. I have several Ubuntu desktops, laptops and a netbook running where I have regular access too and it is a while ago when I had those annoying nautilus crashes the last time. This bug here is expired - but anyway, I don't experience it any more: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/404351 And don't remember where I faced this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/905686 But although does not seem to be fixed yet, I don't experience it any more. But don't know which bug you mean... Generally spoken, I find it a nice presentation of Mark at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU and I find that Ubuntu does innovate, however at 1:00 he cites several reviews and I must say: At the beginning of 12.04 I had a lot of issues and only since manually updating to 3.5-Kernel I got my 12.04 stable. So from my experience 10.04 was a lot more stable than 12.04 (without the manual hacking)! Best regards, Martin Wildam. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Here are some suggestions to help fix this bug: Firstly something that would appeal to the gaming market is an overclocking and underclocking feature, as some people prefer to do overclocking in their OS, but we don't appear to have any such programs. And other groups like to underclock their laptops to help fix overheating problems.. Secondly, something really needs to stop is Ubuntu spamming error messages when there is a problem. For example when Ubuntu has lost it's internet connection it will spam you to type the password in atleast half a dozen times, and when a program has crashed apport wil spam you to report the problem atleast half a dozen times. Thirdly, we NEED some form of advertising, as Micro$oft has almost fallen of its throne. Ads on the TV (For example) that tell people that Linux is the most secure OS ever and doen't get viruses would get people to make the switch. (But would the switch also cause undetected security problems to show themselves after being exploited by hackers?) Fourthly: Stability. Ubuntu definatly needs a netbook version again, as Ubuntu runs horribly on intel atom processors and lags like hell (I tried running Ubuntu on a 1.6Ghz dual-core intel atom that had 1gb of ram). However smaller distros like lubuntu seem to work well. Also, something as stupid as nautilus crashing when idle needs to be fixed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
+1 On 17 January 2013 17:26, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Hi :) > There might be proprietary software in the Software Centre but that is > like saying you can't walk into a high-street shop if you have no intention > of buying anything. > > Of course you can still buy and sell Cds or Dvds with Ubuntu on and of > course you can still sell support services either by the hour or as > structured support for for a given length of time or whatever. Selling > the Cds/Dvds has always been a bit of a moral grey area = it's allowed > by the GPL but people sometimes tend to feel it's wrong somehow. > Selling support is fine and puts you in an open competitive market with > plenty of fair competition that people could look-up online. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > > Status in Club Distro: > Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid > Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid > Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress > Status in The Linux Kernel: > New > Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > In Progress > Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > In Progress > Status in Ubuntu: > In Progress > Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > Invalid > Status in “linux” package in Debian: > In Progress > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: > In Progress > Status in Tilix Linux: > New > > Bug description: > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC > marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant > to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is > driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to > all." > > "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software > gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with > whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the > spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective > experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the > other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who > couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by > individuals and organisations all over the world." >* http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy > > Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and > concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into > the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles > innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious > anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic > practices. > > This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. > > What happens: > > Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- > installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating > system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be > proprietary. > > What should happen: > > A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. > >* http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html >* http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines >* http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) There might be proprietary software in the Software Centre but that is like saying you can't walk into a high-street shop if you have no intention of buying anything. Of course you can still buy and sell Cds or Dvds with Ubuntu on and of course you can still sell support services either by the hour or as structured support for for a given length of time or whatever. Selling the Cds/Dvds has always been a bit of a moral grey area = it's allowed by the GPL but people sometimes tend to feel it's wrong somehow. Selling support is fine and puts you in an open competitive market with plenty of fair competition that people could look-up online. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Something needs to be done to get the OEM's to start making laptops without operating systems or a linux distro. For example, Dell appears to have broken their partnership with ubuntu, and on their website the laptops seem to only be bundled with Windows 7 or 8, with no option of having the laptop without an os. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I would say two things, one intellectual an one moral: - The intellectual: no one really knows why some important decisions are taken in certain direction in this project. For example like why in the Ubuntu One Client naming jumping the promise of branding "Ubuntu" only the project itself , offering privative software in the Software Center, prohibiting the selling of Ubuntu CDs, violating the European laws about digital privacy with the dash search, and using beta and unmaintained software for building the alpha versions. Many people perhaps will figure themselves, but not sharing the whys clearly is mostly completely destroying the culture of the project. - The moral: this bug's description say "a majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software", so this won't fit Ubuntu. I left Windows because I felt its software was bad and unsustainable, and later realized it was because of not being libre. Except for videogames, which are a pieces of software with their own peculiarities, I don't feel I'm using privative software although in Ubuntu. Privative software is buggy, inefficient, restrictive, malicious, and worse if you are not using Windows. This reasoning doesn't begin with freedom, but begins with software quality and leads to software freedom. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1098290] [NEW] Feature request: change message to direct problems to the use of ubuntu-bug(1)
Public bug reported: Please change this to a feature request. Line 705 is unhelpful about how to report problems, I suggest it should aim the user at ubuntu- bug(1). This occurs at other places as well, but I've mainly experienced line 705. Listadmin probably inherited this from upstream, or perhaps changed from use of $maintainer variable. When it errors at line 705, the message is Can not find version information, please mail maintainer. Without using the $maintainer variable. As according to the $maintainer variable, that would be kjetilho+listadmin\@ifi.uio.no but according to synaptic, it's Ubuntu Developers Mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss gets held for moderators, and anyway seems obtuse. Ubunut-bug seems a better choice, as long as ubuntu developers want to be the first in line. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04 Package: listadmin 2.40-4 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-31.50-generic-pae 3.2.28 Uname: Linux 3.2.0-31-generic-pae i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia ApportVersion: 2.0.1-0ubuntu15.1 Architecture: i386 Date: Thu Jan 10 10:38:05 2013 InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 12.04.1 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Release i386 (20120817.3) MarkForUpload: True PackageArchitecture: all SourcePackage: listadmin UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install) ** Affects: listadmin (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: apport-bug i386 precise ** Description changed: Please change this to a feature request. Line 705 is unhelpful about how to report problems, I suggest it should aim the user at ubuntu- - bug(1). + bug(1). This occurs at other places as well, but I've mainly + experienced line 705. - Listadmin probably inherited this from upstream, or perhaps changed from use of $maintainer variable. When it errors at line 705, the message is - Can not find version information, please mail maintainer. + Listadmin probably inherited this from upstream, or perhaps changed from use of $maintainer variable. When it errors at line 705, the message is + Can not find version information, please mail maintainer. Without using the $maintainer variable. As according to the $maintainer variable, that would be kjetilho+listadmin\@ifi.uio.no but according to synaptic, it's Ubuntu Developers Mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss gets held for moderators, and anyway seems - obtuse. Ubunut-bug seems a better choice. + obtuse. Ubunut-bug seems a better choice, as long as ubuntu developers + want to be the first in line. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04 Package: listadmin 2.40-4 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-31.50-generic-pae 3.2.28 Uname: Linux 3.2.0-31-generic-pae i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia ApportVersion: 2.0.1-0ubuntu15.1 Architecture: i386 Date: Thu Jan 10 10:38:05 2013 InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 12.04.1 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Release i386 (20120817.3) MarkForUpload: True PackageArchitecture: all SourcePackage: listadmin UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1098290 Title: Feature request: change message to direct problems to the use of ubuntu-bug(1) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/listadmin/+bug/1098290/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi, not sure, if anybody who can make decisions is still reading this, but I have installed Ubuntu 12.10 for a total beginner (this is what Ubuntu claims to be most adapted for): a) Never ever a total beginner is able to install and setup Ubuntu on his own - will always need help (I already wrote that a while ago)! This does not apply only for the installation and basic configuration, but also for online accounts (register new accounts - reuse existing ones - most people don't even remember or write down their passwords, decision what application to use for what task (depending on the person and tasks there can be major differences). Not all of this can be made simpler by the operating system. b) I just felt lucky to install the newest 12.10 (instead of the 12.04 that has been previously there on the same machine) and unfortunately - although already a good while ago the release - I rushed into a few annoying bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1069504 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/848164 (quite similar bug descriptions). That ever worked since 10.04 as far as I remember - and now it does not - where this feature was never so important for me as it is now because the very beginner user (even beginner in mouse handling) now needs 2 more clicks onto ... ... an icon that cannot be made bigger (person also does not see very, very good). c) Apart from the fact that I did not have the impression that with the switch to upstart the startup process really got faster (on a two-processor-machine) it also seems to introduce problems. On my machine sometimes compiz does not come up fine, but who cares, I can restart it manually if it does not because I did the login too fast. But in this case I set the autologin for the beginner user and now I experience different problems that might occur as skype not started which happened once or - even worse - network manager is disabling wireless network after autologin. So now I must also train the user to make sure the right checkmarks are activated. d) For the beginner user the buttons for closing the window are too small. While that was no problem on Gnome2 in Ubuntu 9.04 up to 10.04 with the introduction of Gnome 3 and unity those buttons simply don't grow when I increase the font size in Universal access - and I cannot do this in the same way (by specifying the dpi) I could under Gnome 2 - Now I have only 3 choices (as in Windows 8-P). But at least on Windows the Window-Buttons grow together with the fonts. e) For recharging the mobile internet stick I had to register at the provider homepage with the stick's number and it sent me an SMS message. Guess what: I could not find any crappy application that was able to read the messages from the huawei USB stick (that fortunately worked out-of-the-box to get the internet connection). Finally I put the USIM card into one of my older phones and read the mesage with the initial password there. - Is this meant to be user friendly? f) I experience several options for the display not working as disabling of dimming of the screen. Somehow changing the settings and disabling the ambient light sensor in the bios now brought an acceptable solution - that worked on 10.04 on the same machine for sure! And so on and so forth! - I am really loosing the will of frickling around - neither with Windows nor with Linux - it is so sad, that such things do not work fine but on the other hand focus is put elsewhere (Amazon lenses and Ubuntu-Phones for example) while the laptop or PC is still (for a long, long time, I would bet) a very important tool. I am really loosing all kind of joy that way... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** No longer affects: metacity ** Bug watch removed: GNOME Bug Tracker #316654 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316654 ** Bug watch removed: GNOME Bug Tracker #496536 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
there are just a few firms (garlach44, system76 and others) selling pcs and servers with linux preinstalled. expanding linux in the server sector might be a very good first step. maybe one day linux enterprises and communities will own small pc firms. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Branch unlinked: lp:touchpad-indicator/0.7 ** Branch unlinked: lp:~marcovespo/+junk/unityClandiw-0.9 ** Branch unlinked: lp:weather-indicator ** Branch unlinked: lp:avaneya ** Branch unlinked: lp:~luigi.grilli/openobject-italia/product_metel ** Branch unlinked: lp:~web2py/web2py-geo/geodemo ** Branch unlinked: lp:~indicator-applet-developers/indicator- applet/ubuntu ** Branch unlinked: lp:openerp-spain/4.2 ** Branch unlinked: lp:~matteo-collina/+junk/poboc ** Branch unlinked: lp:~leftfillall/cruft/1reid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:19 AM, pirast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Hi Ma, thanks for your commitment :) > The Dell support does not have a clue, and on the Ubuntu-side I only have the > option to rely on community based support. That's probably the case for many Linux OEM systems. I once bought a desktop computer with Linspire pre-intsalled. I cannot find a way to start X so I gave up soon and installed Ubuntu 10.04. One guy asked a question about SUSE Enterprise Linux on his laptop the other day in local LUG mailing list, no one has a clue since no one used that distribution before. Ubuntu is a little better since there is a community. > Personally, it really saddens me because I've been a free software advocate > and have been using Ubuntu since 4.10. > Now I think that some things are going into the wrong direction : > - Amazon integrated into search I hope you can discuss this issue somewhere else. > - bad hardware support for "certified" systems, while manpower goes into supporting Google Nexus (!! what for if even normal laptops are not supported well) That annoys me also. We are using, contributing, advocating Linux distributions but we have no clue what kinds of laptop is fully supported, even those with Ubuntu brand. I'm not aware of a well maintained hardware knowledge base for Linux or Ubuntu. There is no graphical hardware listing still, newbies still need to understand what is terminal and what is lspci/lsusb/... I tried to help solving a bug of hardware issue but I didn't get very active response. > - manpower used to develop multiple desktop environments (GNOME 3, Unity, none of it being perfect), while I know much more severe desktop bugs that might be worth looking into This problem somehow belongs to Red Hat I believe. They develop GNOME Shell that make many people unhappy. I don't think Ubuntu's decision to shipping a different DE is a problem. The problem is that Unity seems quite buggy. I use and contribute MATE, a GNOME 2 fork, now. > - little given back to upstream (i.e. for GTK, there is one person full-time working on it, and hes not employed by Canonical) That guy probably works for Red Hat? I'm not a fan of GTK3. http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ For upstream contribution, I don't think Canonical actually developed that many things different from upstream of GTK. Are you a fan of Overlay scrolling? I'm not. > - still (since 2006) no results in making third party software easier to install and manage on all products of the Linux platform (see https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/Packaging) Use Ubuntu Software Center if a third-party developer focus on Ubuntu. For distribution agnostic packaging, there is an interesting research work: http://www.pgbovine.net/cde.html > I'm not really requesting any help, because for sure there is a way to > somehow compile a newer mouse driver supporting my alps touchpad, to take a > newer kernel improving fan control and run it with tweaked power options (I > guess I'd somehow figure it out). > But after installing Windows and having it almost running perfectly after 30 > minutes (while I miss apt/yum package management), I have given up. Maybe I > will have a look at Ubuntu/Linux in 1 year again, and I would be really happy > if those things would be fixed, but I'm not that positive about it to be > honest. I do dual-boot on my MacBook now. You may consider this option too. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi, On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > If you have really been using Ubuntu for 8 years then it seems > really strange to try using this thread to contact "officials". I'm > sure you would have found better ways over the years. I am not sure what is the best way to reach the official Canonical-members (not talking about the staff in the support or development - I am talking about the managers). I even tried emailing Jono some time ago and never got a response. The main reason why I am still subscribed to this bug is because once - a longer while ago there was a comment from Mark Shuttleworth (if authentical) and I hope he is sometimes having a look here. > Also it > seems strange that the 1st thing you tried was installing Windows! As far as I understood, it was already there. But anyway, I remember times when Ubuntu was claiming to solve a lot of problems, Windows users had - now the argument I see more often lately is " is not better on Windows." > using any Gnu&Linux distro would have simply tried a different > version of Ubuntu and/or another distro or 2 (such as Mint). Yes, but after some time you get also tired of distro-hopping. And however, I do see stability problems rising in pretty all distributions. Regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
HI :) Well, the post that I created here originally was thought as a supplement to this bug (in order to break Microsoft's major market share, certification has to be improved). And as Mark is the reporter of the bug, I thought there might be chance that he'd read it. The rest is just a discussion emerged from my original post, in which I let flow in some things that I am unhappy with and which could be improved (sorry for offending anyone, if I did) While there may be other ways to contact the persons responsible for certification, I do not know what is wrong of posting the feedback as a question on Launchpad to which the Canonical Hardware Certification Team is subscribed to (see question #216889). I did not install Windows first, I also tried other distributions, including Fedora 18 Beta, which ships with a quite recent kernel. I do not see the point of trying Linux Mint (as it ships with the same Kernel as Ubuntu) or a different version of Ubuntu (as I already tried two). For Windows, it worked pretty straight forward: It detected everything, except the touchpad and the harddrive acceleration sensor. Installed both drivers, and I was ready to go. Still better than having to compile a custom touchpad driver that adds support for my Alps touchpad. Just to sum it up, I do not want to harp on Ubuntu's hardware support - of course it is harder to support hardware if vendors do not provide drivers or anything. If I install Ubuntu on some machine, it is acceptable for me that I may have to tweak something, considering it is free and open. BUT: If I buy a Ubuntu certified machine (I suppose that Dell pays some money to Canonical for certification, rights to use the Ubuntu brand, Hardware enablement...), shipping with Ubuntu, I expect everything to work (as it is with Windows normally) and that the changes required to make the hardware work are made flow back upstream, so that it works with other distributions, too. Otherwise, I do not think that Ubuntu can not be seen as a serious competitor to Windows. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hi :) If you have really been using Ubuntu for 8 years then it seems really strange to try using this thread to contact "officials". I'm sure you would have found better ways over the years. Also it seems strange that the 1st thing you tried was installing Windows! Freshly installed Windows systems often need a lot of extra programs to be installed and then a lot of updats&reboot cycles. Even newly bought Windows machines often need it and need their "teething troubles" sorted too. I think most people with even just 1 years experience of using any Gnu&Linux distro would have simply tried a different version of Ubuntu and/or another distro or 2 (such as Mint). Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hi Ma, thanks for your commitment :) The Dell support does not have a clue, and on the Ubuntu-side I only have the option to rely on community based support. Basically, I am just trying to draw attention of officials to this problem. Personally, it really saddens me because I've been a free software advocate and have been using Ubuntu since 4.10. Now I think that some things are going into the wrong direction : - Amazon integrated into search - bad hardware support for "certified" systems, while manpower goes into supporting Google Nexus (!! what for if even normal laptops are not supported well) - manpower used to develop multiple desktop environments (GNOME 3, Unity, none of it being perfect), while I know much more severe desktop bugs that might be worth looking into - little given back to upstream (i.e. for GTK, there is one person full-time working on it, and hes not employed by Canonical) - still (since 2006) no results in making third party software easier to install and manage on all products of the Linux platform (see https://wiki.linuxfoundation.org/en/Packaging) I'm not really requesting any help, because for sure there is a way to somehow compile a newer mouse driver supporting my alps touchpad, to take a newer kernel improving fan control and run it with tweaked power options (I guess I'd somehow figure it out). But after installing Windows and having it almost running perfectly after 30 minutes (while I miss apt/yum package management), I have given up. Maybe I will have a look at Ubuntu/Linux in 1 year again, and I would be really happy if those things would be fixed, but I'm not that positive about it to be honest. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hi :) Also i think it might help to just run a standard programs updates/upgrades while sticking with the 12.04 LTS. With the Unity interface i usually use the Software Manager to install Synaptic Package Manager and then do all my installs and upgrading from Synaptic. Dunno what came as standard but i tend to add Gimp and a few other things for my work. It really should all work out of the box. I'm sure Canonical would be very interested to hear that there are problems. Good luck and regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:36 PM, pirast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Well, Ubuntu/Canonical certified that Laptop, so that it gets a shiny Ubuntu > sticker and can be sold as "Ubuntu certified". > I would expect at least some person from Canonical/Ubuntu to look at it > before certifying it, so that there's an acceptable user experience available. > > I have bought many (>10) Windows certified systems, and they all worked just > fine. > It's the first time in my life that I bought a computer system that does not > do what I expect it to do (bad battery life, fan running all the time, > hardware/touchpad not working right - never had that before). > > That's a pretty poor out of the box experience, isn't it? > > And saying that the problem belongs to the manufacturer is not fair I think: > See http://www.canonical.com/engineering-services/oem-services/oem-services: > Dell has at least booked the Standard package from there, which includes > "Hardware enablement". Has Canonical made the hardware work, what it promises > there to do? No! Has Canonical provided any fixes upstream? No. > > > The way it is I would not say that Ubuntu is a serious competitior to > Windows. Back to the drawing board. Most of your points are pretty valid. I've used Ubuntu since 5.10 but never bought Ubuntu certified computer. Have you tried given support contact before using community channel like this bug? I'm familiar with Ubuntu community so I subscribe to this bug. But if I'm a random customer I won't post my review here. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Well, Ubuntu/Canonical certified that Laptop, so that it gets a shiny Ubuntu sticker and can be sold as "Ubuntu certified". I would expect at least some person from Canonical/Ubuntu to look at it before certifying it, so that there's an acceptable user experience available. I have bought many (>10) Windows certified systems, and they all worked just fine. It's the first time in my life that I bought a computer system that does not do what I expect it to do (bad battery life, fan running all the time, hardware/touchpad not working right - never had that before). That's a pretty poor out of the box experience, isn't it? And saying that the problem belongs to the manufacturer is not fair I think: See http://www.canonical.com/engineering-services/oem-services/oem-services: Dell has at least booked the Standard package from there, which includes "Hardware enablement". Has Canonical made the hardware work, what it promises there to do? No! Has Canonical provided any fixes upstream? No. The way it is I would not say that Ubuntu is a serious competitior to Windows. Back to the drawing board. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 7:42 PM, pirast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > As part of fixing this bug, you should make sure that Ubuntu certified > computers shipping with Ubuntu pre-installed work as good as computers > certified and shipped with Windows. Agree. > See: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-certification/+question/216889 > This is quite frustrating, I will never ever buy a Ubuntu certified system > anymore. What for? I can understand your feeling. However, if you ever buy crappy Windows certified system? Will you give up Windows entirely. Your problem belongs to the manufacturer, not the operating system. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
As part of fixing this bug, you should make sure that Ubuntu certified computers shipping with Ubuntu pre-installed work as good as computers certified and shipped with Windows. See: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-certification/+question/216889 This is quite frustrating, I will never ever buy a Ubuntu certified system anymore. What for? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Aren't monopolies illegal? Please can we have an OS ballot? Like, I think, the Europeans have an OS ballot. We can get expertise from Opera Browser guys on this ballot. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Hi :) An interesting mix of current stats and stories with along with projections that would make sense if people knew about those stats and made intelligent choices based on them! An extremely high percentage of the worlds supercomputers are already running Linux, the next highest percentage is Bsd and then other unix-based OSes account for the rest. Also i heard that Android does already beat iPhone. Even if it doesn't iPhone is still a unix-based platform anyway so either way it's a win for us. Windows is only 4th or 5th place on smart-phones and i think tablets and such too. Employers still demand MS experience without realising that most of the time they aren't even using Windows themselves (it's only when they are at their desk). Great video! Thanks for cheering me up on this wet and windy Friday (and that is just inside the office) Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
this bug can be marked as closed now: Microsoft only has a 20% share according to this video released today by the Linux Foundation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unfx2qCj6Ao -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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"This is usually one of the first things I tell just to ensure the cause of the (compatibility) problem can be found faster." What actually happens is they refuse to continue until you try the Windows platform solution. If you don't tell them it's Linux, they assume it is Windows and the question never arises. The likelihood that they have problems with Windows/MAC uses it usually quite high too. You can then provide something which you magically got to work and they thank you for getting them out of the situation. "I never accept a job if they don't allow me to use Ubuntu." You are braver than me. I'd rather avoid the issue until contracts are signed and I'm onsite. It's harder to back out of a contract than not to sign in the first place. "If I tell them first and have it as a precondition to even start working there, I have more arguments that they need to at least provide the minimum required environment to use Thunderbird for example (e.g. activating the IMAP service at the Microsoft Exchange server)." This is the utopian view, but I find that clients will simply move to the next CV. Most exchange servers now have web access enabled so employees can work from home. This means support is not an issue for email, LibreOffice will do a pretty good job of interfacing with Microsoft Office stuff and you can CIFS mount the windows shares. I find it is better basically not to tell anyone you are using Linux until you either have to (for support/request reasons) or after you have been working on the clients project awhile (like a month) and then reveal it. Once you have established that it is not a hindrance to the project and working relationship they are more likely to just let you get on with it. To tell them beforehand sets all sorts of bells ringing (for the wrong reasons) and then you become the "problem" with your weirdo software. I have worked with 10+ clients onsite on their internal networks since I started to use Linux and I have a 100% hit rate this way. Trust me, I do ensure they know I'm using Linux and let them find out why as the working relationship progresses, but I'm careful to ensure it is introduced the right way and the FUD is seen for what it is. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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On 12/10/2012 03:35 AM, Martin Wildam wrote: > Oh, maybe I shouldn't tell anybody that I am using Linux. This is > usually one of the first things I tell just to ensure the cause of the > (compatibility) problem can be found faster. - But you are right, I > should also pay back with a little ignorance. This is one of my frustrations with ATT. When on the phone with support if I say the word Linux, they instantly respond "Oh, we don't support Linux." I reply, "I do not need you to support Linux. I can do that. I need you to support your DSL." > I never accept a job if they don't allow me to use Ubuntu. Usually > they do, but then I am facing hurdles. Nothing impossible to get over, > but leaving a lot of annoyances to remember or workarounds I need to > do on a daily basis. I play it the other way round: My base system is > Ubuntu and I have the Virtualbox-installation of Windows. I do not have any Windows on my laptop, nor any VM. In the few places where a Windows desktop was required, they provided it as a VM. Lee -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Graham wrote: > I deal with agencies, consultancies and clients and all through I have used > Linux machines to do my business. > Very rarely I have a stubborn customer who insists you use some Microsoft > package. > Once I go round the roundabout of complaining it doesn't work (but not > telling them why) > they will allow you to provide a solution which works and move on. Oh, maybe I shouldn't tell anybody that I am using Linux. This is usually one of the first things I tell just to ensure the cause of the (compatibility) problem can be found faster. - But you are right, I should also pay back with a little ignorance. > Again I have a strategy for this, which basically involves installing Ubuntu > into virtualbox on whatever equipment they provide, then after a couple of > weeks setting > up dual boot and continuing with that. I never accept a job if they don't allow me to use Ubuntu. Usually they do, but then I am facing hurdles. Nothing impossible to get over, but leaving a lot of annoyances to remember or workarounds I need to do on a daily basis. I play it the other way round: My base system is Ubuntu and I have the Virtualbox-installation of Windows. > I usually avoid telling the client I have set up dual boot since this starts > the FUD again, but they usually never ask. Not sure if the next time I would prefer not to say it. Would be a problem if they then use internal stuff that is an absolute no-go for me. If I tell them first and have it as a precondition to even start working there, I have more arguments that they need to at least provide the minimum required environment to use Thunderbird for example (e.g. activating the IMAP service at the Microsoft Exchange server). Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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"I never do dual-boot installations - tried it a few times and it is additional complexity added. However, maybe I should try your way of offering the dual-boot." Martin, you are right it is more complex to deploy. I have developed a method of deployment which seems to cover most cases and seems to be reasonably popular: 1. Basically repartition the current HDD to free a 10G space somewhere and install Ubuntu into that. 2. Then mount the original partitions into Ubuntu to appear as folders on the desktop. 3. Then install as much of the equivalent software and get as much working as possible. 4. Add a swap file into the Ubuntu installation (1-3G depending on free space) 5. Ensure Windows boots OK and make sure Ubuntu is the default. 6. Demonstrate to the user how to boot Windows and run through the Ubuntu equivalents, how to install software etc. 7. Leave them to it and be available to help. Once you do this you find that after a few months of them on their own, they sing the praises of Ubuntu and wonder how they put up with Windows. "The problems arise when you have people who are e.g. working as freelancers and need to communicate a lot with other companies." I am a freelancer so I have directly experienced this. My experience is this is purely FUD. I deal with agencies, consultancies and clients and all through I have used Linux machines to do my business. Very rarely I have a stubborn customer who insists you use some Microsoft package. Once I go round the roundabout of complaining it doesn't work (but not telling them why) they will allow you to provide a solution which works and move on. "I myself are facing the biggest hurdles as I am running my Ubuntu in a Windows-only environment in the office where whole IT department is fully Microsoft-conform." As a freelancer I feel your pain with this one. Again I have a strategy for this, which basically involves installing Ubuntu into virtualbox on whatever equipment they provide, then after a couple of weeks setting up dual boot and continuing with that. I usually avoid telling the client I have set up dual boot since this starts the FUD again, but they usually never ask. -- So you are now asking why I go through all this pa-lava just to use Ubuntu and why don't I just put up with Windows and keep the client happy? Again in my experience they thank the fact that I can keep near 100% uptime and connectivity when everyone else is complaining about their IT dept keep messing around with their machine and breaking it on patch Tuesday and locking them out of access. On more than one occasion I have been asked by my line managers to perform tasks on their behalf since they can't do it do to their companies enforced IT policy, or simply because my machine is the only one still working in the office! If you want support feel free to contact. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
"I never do dual-boot installations - tried it a few times and it is additional complexity added. However, maybe I should try your way of offering the dual-boot." Martin, you are right it is more complex to deploy. I have developed a method of deployment which seems to cover most cases and seems to be reasonably popular: 1. Basically repartition the current HDD to free a 10G space somewhere and install Ubuntu into that. 2. Then mount the original partitions into Ubuntu to appear as folders on the desktop. 3. Then install as much of the equivalent software and get as much working as possible. 4. Add a swap file into the Ubuntu installation (1-3G depending on free space) 5. Ensure Windows boots OK and make sure Ubuntu is the default. 6. Demonstrate to the user how to boot Windows and run through the Ubuntu equivalents, how to install software etc. 7. Leave them to it and be available to help. Once you do this you find that after a few months of them on their own, they sing the praises of Ubuntu and wonder how they put up with Windows. "The problems arise when you have people who are e.g. working as freelancers and need to communicate a lot with other companies." I am a freelancer so I have directly experienced this. My experience is this is purely FUD. I deal with agencies, consultancies and clients and all through I have used Linux machines to do my business. Very rarely I have a stubborn customer who insists you use some Microsoft package. Once I go round the roundabout of complaining it doesn't work (but not telling them why) they will allow you to provide a solution which works and move on. "I myself are facing the biggest hurdles as I am running my Ubuntu in a Windows-only environment in the office where whole IT department is fully Microsoft-conform." As a freelancer I feel your pain with this one. Again I have a strategy for this, which basically involves installing Ubuntu into virtualbox on whatever equipment they provide, then after a couple of weeks setting up dual boot and continuing with that. I usually avoid telling the client I have set up dual boot since this starts the FUD again, but they usually never ask. -- So you are now asking why I go through all this pa-lava just to use Ubuntu and why don't I just put up with Windows and keep the client happy? Again in my experience they thank the fact that I can keep near 100% uptime and connectivity when everyone else is complaining about their IT dept keep messing around with their machine and breaking it on patch Tuesday and locking them out of access. On more than one occasion I have been asked by my line managers to perform tasks on their behalf since they can't do it do to their companies enforced IT policy, or simply because my machine is the only one still working in the office! If you want support feel free to contact. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
"I never do dual-boot installations - tried it a few times and it is additional complexity added. However, maybe I should try your way of offering the dual-boot." Martin, you are right it is more complex to deploy. I have developed a method of deployment which seems to cover most cases and seems to be reasonably popular: 1. Basically repartition the current HDD to free a 10G space somewhere and install Ubuntu into that. 2. Then mount the original partitions into Ubuntu to appear as folders on the desktop. 3. Then install as much of the equivalent software and get as much working as possible. 4. Add a swap file into the Ubuntu installation (1-3G depending on free space) 5. Ensure Windows boots OK and make sure Ubuntu is the default. 6. Demonstrate to the user how to boot Windows and run through the Ubuntu equivalents, how to install software etc. 7. Leave them to it and be available to help. Once you do this you find that after a few months of them on their own, they sing the praises of Ubuntu and wonder how they put up with Windows. "The problems arise when you have people who are e.g. working as freelancers and need to communicate a lot with other companies." I am a freelancer so I have directly experienced this. My experience is this is purely FUD. I deal with agencies, consultancies and clients and all through I have used Linux machines to do my business. Very rarely I have a stubborn customer who insists you use some Microsoft package. Once I go round the roundabout of complaining it doesn't work (but not telling them why) they will allow you to provide a solution which works and move on. "I myself are facing the biggest hurdles as I am running my Ubuntu in a Windows-only environment in the office where whole IT department is fully Microsoft-conform." As a freelancer I feel your pain with this one. Again I have a strategy for this, which basically involves installing Ubuntu into virtualbox on whatever equipment they provide, then after a couple of weeks setting up dual boot and continuing with that. I usually avoid telling the client I have set up dual boot since this starts the FUD again, but they usually never ask. -- So you are now asking why I go through all this pa-lava just to use Ubuntu and why don't I just put up with Windows and keep the client happy? Again in my experience they thank the fact that I can keep near 100% uptime and connectivity when everyone else is complaining about their IT dept keep messing around with their machine and breaking it on patch Tuesday and locking them out of access. On more than one occasion I have been asked by my line managers to perform tasks on their behalf since they can't do it do to their companies enforced IT policy, or simply because my machine is the only one still working in the office! If you want support feel free to contact. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Graham wrote: > You are basically saying it's better to stay with the devil you know. I did not want to say, that I find it better to stay with the devil I know - that's the behaviour of the users (regardless what the users say, that's the behaviour I observe. > I disagree because my experiences are not like yours. > Firstly, I never recommend removing a users current installation and > leaving them with something they are unfamiliar. I always help them a lot in the beginning - I don't leave them alone. However, of course, it is the unfamiliar thing in the beginning. > I always set up machines to dual boot and leave them with the option to > go back to their existing installation. > This has a very high switchover rate, since they can compare one to the > other and find the Linux installation is far more reliable and > dependable. I never do dual-boot installations - tried it a few times and it is additional complexity added. However, maybe I should try your way of offering the dual-boot. > I talking about housewives, psychiatrists, clergymen, plumbers, care workers. > These are the people I have deployed to and they do not look back. I cannot say that I have such a wide-spread target audience. I think there are two types of "normal users": Those who are interested in computers and do more than just email and web-surfing and those who are not. The latter is usually no problem to migrate. - However, this is always home users somehow where in general is less problematic. The problems arise when you have people who are e.g. working as freelancers and need to communicate a lot with other companies. >From your post, it seems you actually do not have any Linux experience to >compare. Oh I have several different experiences: I do manage the server at a very small company (3-4 people) and I helped migrating users with less and with more IT knowledge. - Far not so many as you - I think, but enough to know the pitfalls, as I can look back also to a few failures also (failure in the sense, that people did not continue to use Ubuntu or still use it for particular tasks only). I myself are facing the biggest hurdles as I am running my Ubuntu in a Windows-only environment in the office where whole IT department is fully Microsoft-conform. Just to make it clear: I do not want to say, that Linux or Ubuntu is failing. It's just that I am experiencing more issues during the last months than before. So this is, why I don't even understand the efforts put into discussions of shopping lenses and the like - such things are worth discussing and implementing when everything else is running fine. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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I agree with Graham. Dual booting is very practical & usable solution. The fall back option to Windows helps sometimes. Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Graham Sender: boun...@canonical.com Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:03:01 To: Reply-To: Bug 1 <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> Subject: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share Martin, You are basically saying it's better to stay with the devil you know. I disagree because my experiences are not like yours. Firstly, I never recommend removing a users current installation and leaving them with something they are unfamiliar. I always set up machines to dual boot and leave them with the option to go back to their existing installation. This has a very high switchover rate, since they can compare one to the other and find the Linux installation is far more reliable and dependable. I talking about housewives, psychiatrists, clergymen, plumbers, care workers. These are the people I have deployed to and they do not look back. >From your post, it seems you actually do not have any Linux experience to compare. -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share Status in Club Distro: Confirmed Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: New Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: Invalid Status in dylan.NET: Invalid Status in EasyPeasy Overview: Invalid Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Invalid Status in JAK LINUX: Invalid Status in LibreOffice: In Progress Status in The Linux Kernel: New Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: In Progress Status in The Linux OS Project: In Progress Status in The Metacity Window Manager: In Progress Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: In Progress Status in Tabuntu: Invalid Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: Invalid Status in Tv-Player: Invalid Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: In Progress Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in Arch Linux: Confirmed Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Invalid Status in “linux” package in Debian: In Progress Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: Confirmed Status in openSUSE: In Progress Status in Tilix Linux: New Bug description: Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to all." "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world." * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious anti-features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic practices. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: 1. Visit a local PC store. 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. What happens: Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be proprietary. What should happen: A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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Martin, You are basically saying it's better to stay with the devil you know. I disagree because my experiences are not like yours. Firstly, I never recommend removing a users current installation and leaving them with something they are unfamiliar. I always set up machines to dual boot and leave them with the option to go back to their existing installation. This has a very high switchover rate, since they can compare one to the other and find the Linux installation is far more reliable and dependable. I talking about housewives, psychiatrists, clergymen, plumbers, care workers. These are the people I have deployed to and they do not look back. >From your post, it seems you actually do not have any Linux experience to compare. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] the truth
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 11:10 AM, »John« <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/ms-and-floss/ > Please read this VERY carefully and cover to cover. Did not read to the end of this very, very long article - however - I already knew a lot of that what I read. And yes, > The root cause of most of our problems is that THOSE WHO STAND TO PROFIT > FROM THE CURRENT STATUS QUO WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROFITS. > It doesn't even have to be LEGAL - all that matters is that all the dirt > stays well hidden because nobody gets prosecuted for something nobody knows > or cares about. of course this is a huge problems. But if you ask the "normal user" who is not really interested in computers, but just wants to do his/her work or doing his/her hobby with the help of the computer would ask you (as one of the experts - if not the only they know): "What do you recommand? What should I use?" - At least I am getting asked this by people and mostly the question comes out of the fact that their old computer gets too slow and they want to buy a new one. Lately I get asked more often what I do think of Apple for example which shows that people getting aware of Apple laptops because they maybe have an iPhone. And at this point it comes down to bugs because I know what is behind the marketing of Microsoft of maybe even Apple. But if I recommend Linux and then the people get back to me when their laptop frequently freezes and their work is gone then it is me who needs to explain. - I am not willing to get blamed - and loose the reputation as the one giving good IT advices (I mean my job is IT consulting - if people cannot rely on my advice - what should they rely on then...). That's why currently I do stay away from the recommendation to switch to Linux. Main reason: Quality problems This does not mean, that other operating systems do not have quality problems - but why changing from one thing that has problems to another that has other problems? In this case it is better to stay with the thing where you already know the problems a little better and know what to do (if it is reinstalling your PC every year or whatever). Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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my brightest ideas here are to make a linux emulation layer for > Windows. Similar to what Wine is to Linux. This could be helpful, but again an addional huge extra piece that will suffer from the same incompatibilities as Wine does. My experience with wine is that a) only a very few stuff is really working on wine and b) you are exposed to Windows viruses. On the Linux side there are already such layers available like cygwin or xming. Tried both and did not get convinced. > Then we could RPM/DEB our > applications to a windows system and have some of the Linux experience > which will smoothen the migration. I know that many Windows users would > use it just because of the package management. If you bring such Linux features to Windows there would be even less pressure for people to migrate to Linux. Package management is one of the benefits one gets when switching to Linux. Personally I would say: Windows users should drown in their own DLL hell! > Who don't remember the > pain of getting openoffice + pidgin + firefox and other FOSS > applications AND manually keep them all updated? LibreOffice, Firefox and Thunderbird all have their own update-feature and already automatically update on Windows. On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > The problem with the MS Office formats us that they are not consistent > across different versions of MS Office itself. [...] Of course, the Microsoft formats are not the choice when you want a format that can be read in a reliable way even 15 years from now. Basically when archiving documents pretty everybody converts those documents to PDF. Of course they could also use the open office formats and sign them to be safe against content change. OO/LO would support that out-of-the-box. > So, when it's an MS program that fails to read an older version of the > current MS format then > it's the author that gets blamed. > When it's a non-MS program then it's IT Support or the program that gets > blamed. You are right - but you now gave me another argument that would help me after the day when I will decide to pay back Windows users with the same ignorance I get from them. > The newest version of MS Office (called 365 this time) claims to have > proper support for OpenDocument Format 1.2. MSO 2010 and 2007 only > supported ODF 1.0 which was quite a long way behind what all the other > Office Suites were using at the time. So MS were able to claim they > supported ODF and try to blame all the other Suites for any problems. One thing is opening and reading those formats. The other thing is saving it back in the same manner that OO/LO does not get the shit that MS is putting into the documents then. Just think of destroying styles. I really tried my best in designing templates that are compatible and can be used without major flaws in both office suites. I failed! It is impossible (even when assuming everybody is using MS Office 2010)! So the only way to get painless document sharing across OS is to get Windows-users to use OO/LO - fullstop. > Why aren't they worried about what is going to happen to their old documents. > They seem to just accept and be happy with the fact that any documents they > might need to access in a few years time, > say around 5years, needs to be printed out because it wont be readable > otherwise. > How is it that people are ok with that?? Some ignore the problem but serious companies convert their documents to PDF (or in the past often to TIF) which of course is not for editing then. Where editable versions are archived most indeed just use the original .doc, .docx etc formats and just close their eyes and hope (I know it as I am working in DMS and ECM field since years). On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Graham wrote: > The problem is how to fix this bug without falling into that same devils trap. Not sure if I understand what you mean with "that same devils trap"? Which trap? Of incompatible formats? Or are you speaking of the main idea of bug 1 in having choice of OS when buying a PC? > I'm sure Bill Gates with his "Our mission was to put a computer in every > home and we've succeeded" stance feels very exonerated but this is one > "good intention" road which quite definitely did lead to hell. No, greed and the monopoly lead to hell, not the idea to put a computer in every home (apart from the fact that we are fare away from computer at every home - when you really look at world population and computer owners). Of course, when I say that everybody should use open office or libre office instead could lead from one monopoly to another - but there is a difference: Look at what happened with Open Office when Oracle tried to close it. OO got forked in an instant and now basically everybody switched to LO and Oracle lost a
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Of course, we all know this, John. This is the cold hard face of profiteering. The problem is how to fix this bug without falling into that same devils trap. I'm sure Bill Gates with his "Our mission was to put a computer in every home and we've succeeded" stance feels very exonerated but this is one "good intention" road which quite definitely did lead to hell. The free software movement is not about profiteering, it's about enabling. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] the truth
http://meandubuntu.wordpress.com/ms-and-floss/ Please read this VERY carefully and cover to cover. The truth is actually very simple - it's not bugs (notice that bugs in proprietary crap never really stopped established proprietary crap vendors and neither did their approach to "fixing" them), the lack of marketing (notice how impossibly hard it is to make a dent in ANDROID after it was here "first" and managed to actually take off and the extremely poor standing of Winblow$ Phone despite all the hype) or anything else along these lines that's holding the adoption of free software. The root cause of most of our problems is that THOSE WHO STAND TO PROFIT FROM THE CURRENT STATUS QUO WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROFITS. It doesn't even have to be LEGAL - all that matters is that all the dirt stays well hidden because nobody gets prosecuted for something nobody knows or cares about. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) The problem with the MS Office formats us that they are not consistent across different versions of MS Office itself. The version they have managed to get registered as an ISO standard is different again. Even worse is that MS's installer claims there will be inconsistences between even the same version of MSO on their different OSes. So a document written in MSO 2010 on Win7 may well have problems when opened in MSO 2010 on Win Xp. The places the blame on any user that doesn't upgrade to the latest version of their OS at the time when everyone else does and their latest version of MS Office when everyone else does. When only a minority upgrade those people get a little flack from people for causing problems but their counter argument is that everyone else is being cheap and risking security problems. Once critical mass is achieved everyone else is seen as being guilty if they haven't already upgraded and feels guilty themselves. So, when it's an MS program that fails to read an older version of the current MS format then it's the author that gets blamed. When it's a non-MS program then it's IT Support or the program that gets blamed. The newest version of MS Office (called 365 this time) claims to have proper support for OpenDocument Format 1.2. MSO 2010 and 2007 only supported ODF 1.0 which was quite a long way behind what all the other Office Suites were using at the time. So MS were able to claim they supported ODF and try to blame all the other Suites for any problems. The question is why don't people realise what is right in front of their eyes. Why aren't they worried about what is going to happen to their old documents. They seem to just accept and be happy with the fact that any documents they might need to access in a few years time, say around 5years, needs to be printed out because it wont be readable otherwise. How is it that people are ok with that?? Of course some organisations (such as the US Senate allegedly) decide to settle on a format based on MS's promises that they will always be able to read it and then find that MS has already started withdrawing support for it. Again that somehow leads to non-MS programs being treated with suspicion. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
> Guess what: He migrated back to Windows as he noticed a whole bunch of > workarounds he needed to do. It started with the fact that he as a > support-guy needs to use a IE-only trouble ticket system. Attempts > with IE under Wine/Playonlinux) failed because of stability issues. What about virtualbox + Windows + IE? > Not to tell about some TeamViewer glitches on Linux (extremely > annoying when TeamViewer is one of the only remote-support tools that > work on Linux and you either pay for it when using it for the daily > job). There are also rdesktop for RDP. But yes we would need a lot more tools. > Apart from that I had a few issues on my workstation myself that have > nothing to do with the Windows environment, I have to cope with: I had > lock-up and reboot issues after switching to 12.04 (several different > reasons - see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/993187 just for > example). So far everything solved with tweaking, manual updates and > hand-work. Most annoying: The current kernel status is not stable (not > only for me) and so I currently use 12.04 with the manually installed > 3.5.0-18 kernel. But this means, I need to manually upgrade to newer > versions with security updates. :-( - Stuff I cannot put onto the > shoulders of the "normal" user. - BTW: Most major distros these days > have problems - be it stability issues with changing desktop > environments or "early-adopter" style run to newer technologies when > finally older ones got stable enough (nearly every month I read about > some planned change - I already worry about what will be after change > to wayland...). Compiz is also such a thing - finally quite stable > (for me personally since about september or october) I hear that they > want to throw it out for the sake of something else. That's why I install RHEL/CentOS on novice users. Its far from fancy, but noone can blame EL for being unstable. > So - by now - status for me is: > a) I finally (after a lot of extra analyses, bug reporting, testing > etc) got - again - a very stable system with Ubuntu 12.04 + kernel > 3.5.0-18. And this although I use a Canonical-certified machine! > Unfortunately with some manual udpates that now mean I don't get newer > versions automatically through normal update channel. - However, at > least I am ok. That's bad. Certified hardware should be supported, or the certification becomes useless. > b) I currently do not try to convince other people to Linux/Ubuntu > because they will blame me if some windows-only crappy thing does not > work or some shitty windows-only file format is sent to them and they > can't cope with it. If somebody really wants to have Linux, I will > help of course, but so far I am quite fine by telling people, that I > don't fix their Windows machines. Lost some "friends" - but only those > I don't care about after noticing the reason why they keep their > contact with me. Whoever gave you the idea of don't fixing their Windows machines? :) Some actually stick to Linux because I and others do not support Windows. They bitch about it, but they are free to do as they please. > But - to fix Bug 1 from current point of view: > 1. Things must work out-of-the-box again (we had this status already > but IMHO currently somehow lost) and Ubuntu must be rock-solid and > stable again. My current experience in comparison with Windows 2008r2 > over the last months is: Far more lock-ups/freezes and accidential > reboots than on Windows Servers I need to work on. Far more RDP > connection drops (remmina still crashing at least once a day on my > machine). That's why I stick to EL when I can. It has been rock solid for man years and do not disappoint me. Of course with three different mayor versions (4, 5 and 6) supported in parallel they can make sure that the two first are rock solid while keeping the latest a bit edgy. However I am sure that when they release EL 7 this will also apply to EL 6. Ubuntu is a lot sexier, but on enterprise servers i prefer stable and reliable. > 2. Before doing marketing for Linux/Ubuntu, marketing for open > standards is required - I mean open protocols and open file formats > that can be handled on all platforms. In the ideal world it should be > irrelevant which OS you are using. To real success of Linux/Ubuntu > there need to be less barriers. This is the mayor issue today. The popularity of Firefox and Chrome did a lot for Linux in defeating IE. However some artifacts like Flash (not lightspark but the adobe version) and proprietary office packages have to be defeated as well. Html+JavaScript and Java are on the racetrack here. However web standards (and their implementation) are not up to the task yet. Java may be further ahead because OpenJFX and possible OpenGL s
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
@John: I am a big advocate of Linux and agree with you that many simply do not know any alternative. I personally do run - against all odds - my Workstation on Ubuntu in a nearly Windows-only company. Nobody, neither in IT nor in management is ever considering Linux (and Mac). And I had a similar situation at another company last year. In both cases there are product decisions done that make it very hard for me as a Linux user (ranging from IE-only web-apps - yes, still done in Microsoft-brainwashed environments - to other windows-only apps). None of the internal installation and setup documentations do ever contain information for Linux users. Similar situation when it comes to VPN clients used at different clients. Only with a lot of begging they try to get me a Linux client (if available). I got a new co-worker in august and got him to install Ubuntu after some driver-troubles when installing Windows on his company laptop. Guess what: He migrated back to Windows as he noticed a whole bunch of workarounds he needed to do. It started with the fact that he as a support-guy needs to use a IE-only trouble ticket system. Attempts with IE under Wine/Playonlinux) failed because of stability issues. Not to tell about some TeamViewer glitches on Linux (extremely annoying when TeamViewer is one of the only remote-support tools that work on Linux and you either pay for it when using it for the daily job). Apart from that I had a few issues on my workstation myself that have nothing to do with the Windows environment, I have to cope with: I had lock-up and reboot issues after switching to 12.04 (several different reasons - see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/993187 just for example). So far everything solved with tweaking, manual updates and hand-work. Most annoying: The current kernel status is not stable (not only for me) and so I currently use 12.04 with the manually installed 3.5.0-18 kernel. But this means, I need to manually upgrade to newer versions with security updates. :-( - Stuff I cannot put onto the shoulders of the "normal" user. - BTW: Most major distros these days have problems - be it stability issues with changing desktop environments or "early-adopter" style run to newer technologies when finally older ones got stable enough (nearly every month I read about some planned change - I already worry about what will be after change to wayland...). Compiz is also such a thing - finally quite stable (for me personally since about september or october) I hear that they want to throw it out for the sake of something else. So - by now - status for me is: a) I finally (after a lot of extra analyses, bug reporting, testing etc) got - again - a very stable system with Ubuntu 12.04 + kernel 3.5.0-18. And this although I use a Canonical-certified machine! Unfortunately with some manual udpates that now mean I don't get newer versions automatically through normal update channel. - However, at least I am ok. b) I currently do not try to convince other people to Linux/Ubuntu because they will blame me if some windows-only crappy thing does not work or some shitty windows-only file format is sent to them and they can't cope with it. If somebody really wants to have Linux, I will help of course, but so far I am quite fine by telling people, that I don't fix their Windows machines. Lost some "friends" - but only those I don't care about after noticing the reason why they keep their contact with me. But - to fix Bug 1 from current point of view: 1. Things must work out-of-the-box again (we had this status already but IMHO currently somehow lost) and Ubuntu must be rock-solid and stable again. My current experience in comparison with Windows 2008r2 over the last months is: Far more lock-ups/freezes and accidential reboots than on Windows Servers I need to work on. Far more RDP connection drops (remmina still crashing at least once a day on my machine). 2. Before doing marketing for Linux/Ubuntu, marketing for open standards is required - I mean open protocols and open file formats that can be handled on all platforms. In the ideal world it should be irrelevant which OS you are using. To real success of Linux/Ubuntu there need to be less barriers. Regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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The problem lies in Linux' marketing. As power users, we can carry this effort and make linux #1. Simply go speak at schools, colleges, and libraries on the benefits of open source technologies (emphasize the free aspect as well as the lack of viruses.) I already do this at my local universities and have converted hundreds of MS users to linux. I even have turned some of the professors at these colleges into linux evangelicals. I find that kids in college are never taught that there are alternatives to Apple and Windows. When I tell them that I went through college and run my business with FREE and VIRUS FREE software their jaws fall on the floor. By the end of the class they are downloading and installing ubuntu on their laptops while I am speaking. I even had one gentleman who converted his entire music studio to linux as the overhead of keeping Apples was killing him. He just didn't know any other way. Bottom line, it will take effort from everyone of us to fix this bug. Get out in your community and tell them about the benefits of open source. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Others will do the work for Ubuntu. http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-ballmers-nightmare-is-coming-true-2012-11 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Why can't we have an OS ballot like the Europeans have some Browser ballot? Can we start a movement where where ODF format support in mandatory for all Governments so that LibreOffice on Ubuntu has a fair chance? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) The desktop is not dead. It's resting. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > I wonder how much we should care about mobile market. Apart from phone-calling the mobile market (tablets and smartphones) is mostly for consuming (web surfing, news-reading, video, ...). A "real" computer (laptop, desktop or at least netbook) is needed for production work (design, book-writing, software-development, CAD, image-editing and -processing, desktop-publishing, ...). Both types of work (consumption such as news reading can be a needed part of work for several jobs) are required and must be considered in general. This does not necessarily mean that both worlds must be considered in bug 1. > We really need certain share in desktop market. Although some say the PC era is over - I don't share this opinion. Maybe the desktop-era is over, but certainly not the laptop-era. So I agree that desktop market is still a needed focus. > Even in mobile market, Google's Linux based Android is successful. Other > Linux based system virtually all failed. Indeed, agree. > It's a pleasure for me and probably other "life hackers" to see Ubuntu runs > on Nexus 7. > But this kind of stuff won't change the market landscape in any way. Not sure, from all attempts to have one OS for desktop and mobile I think, Ubuntu is doing the best job here - OS looks more the same on both platforms (mobile and desktop) which helps all people having troubles using technical stuff - or docking your smart phone into a docking station with big screen, mouse and keyboard and have your working desktop there looks nice. However, there are a few implications with this scenario: a) Have a fitting docking station wherever you go. - Requires a certain market share until this can be expected. Otherwise no gain as you would need to carry your own docking station around. b) Having enough power and battery life in your smart phone. Otherwise laptop or netbook makes a lot more sense. c) People want using their computer on many different places. Otherwise they are still perfectly fine with their desktop PC. There are people using the computer mainly at work or mainly at home and while on the road just checking email or doing minimum internet surfing (for which the smart phone is enough). IT people often apply their thoughts of computer use to others which is often not a valid assumption. So, to make a long story short, yes, desktop market should still be a major focus and the mobile market should probably be handled on a different bug. BTW: Bug 2 seems to be still not set yet and could be used for that. ;-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I wonder how much we should care about mobile market. Most people still using Windows for gaming, personal use, company use , embedded system (e.g., ATM). Many education institution still teaches Microsoft lock-in stuff. Linux desktop or Ubuntu desktop's share is still around 1% niche. Think about GNOME's 1010 (have 10% share at 2010) goal and the reality. We really need certain share in desktop market. Even in mobile market, Google's Linux based Android is successful. Other Linux based system virtually all failed. A notable company even switched to the Windows Phone camp. It's a pleasure for me and probably other "life hackers" to see Ubuntu runs on Nexus 7. But this kind of stuff won't change the market landscape in any way. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) MS never had a majority market-share in computing as a whole. Most people only notice what happens on the one machine sitting on their desk. They assume the entire rest of the world must be using exactly the same thing that keeps crashing on their machine, from massive supercomputers to tiny phones and up to the space station, Mars and beyond and the ocean floor and upwards. However, none of that has ever really been run on Windows, or at least not for long. Most have been using Unix-based operating systems. However most office and home users have only been aware of using Windows on their own personal machines. Now that people are exploring other types of machines and moving away from just personal desktops they find themselves increasingly moving away from Windows. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Randall: the change that has happened is that Microsoft has no majority market share in computing as a whole, as it is just in desktop market they still have it. In mobile market, Linux based (but otherwise much proprietary) Android as the majority together with Apple. In the server market, Linux and Ubuntu has a major market share. Also, the change from Microsoft to Apple in the title does not help on the proprietary dominance . -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Randall: the change that has happened is that Microsoft has no majority market share in computing as a whole, as it is just in desktop market they still have it. In mobile market, Linux based (but otherwise much proprietary) Android as the majority together with Apple. In the server market, Linux and Ubuntu has a major market share. Also, the change from Microsoft to Apple in the title does not help on the proprietary dominance . -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Randall: the change that has happened is that Microsoft has no majority market share in computing as a whole, as it is just in desktop market they still have it. In mobile market, Linux based (but otherwise much proprietary) Android as the majority together with Apple. In the server market, Linux and Ubuntu has a major market share. Also, the change from Microsoft to Apple in the title does not help on the proprietary dominance . -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
@kxra: Rather than modify this bug to extend to all "proprietary systems", please open a new bug. The entire history and comment chain is based on the original bug opened by sabdfl, and should be preserved. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
@kxra: Rather than modify this bug to extend to all "proprietary systems", please open a new bug. The entire history and comment chain is based on the original bug opened by sabdfl, and should be preserved. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
@kxra: Rather than modify this bug to extend to all "proprietary systems", please open a new bug. The entire history and comment chain is based on the original bug opened by sabdfl, and should be preserved. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
@kxra: Rather than modify this bug to extend to all "proprietary systems", please open a new bug. The entire history and comment chain is based on the original bug opened by sabdfl, and should be preserved. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Summary changed: - Proprietary operating systems have a majority market share + Microsoft has a majority market share ** Description changed: - Proprietary operating systems have a majority market share in the new - desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects - are meant to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our - work is driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible - to all." + Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. + This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects are meant to fix. As the + philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our work is driven by a belief + that software should be free and accessible to all." "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world." - * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy + * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious anti- features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic practices. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: - 1. Visit a local PC store. - 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. + 1. Visit a local PC store. + 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. What happens: - Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have a proprietary operating - system like Windows or Mac OSX. In the rare cases that they come with a - GNU/Linux operating system or no operating system at all, the drivers - and BIOS may be proprietary. + Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have Microsoft Windows pre- + installed. In the rare cases that they come with a GNU/Linux operating + system or no operating system at all, the drivers and BIOS may be + proprietary. What should happen: A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. - * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html - * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines - * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd + * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html + * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines + * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Proprietary operating systems have a majority market share
Hi, On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Ma Xiaojun wrote: > The current ubuntu.com shows a laptop with one Super key covered with > Ubuntu logo and another unchanged, anyone? What the hack should I do on an Ubuntu laptop with a Windows key... ;-) My laptop has also just the Ubuntu key. When you buy the stickers at the Canonical shop, you get either some exactly sized for that key: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=718 It's one of the things I usually do while the installation is running. ;-) Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Proprietary operating systems have a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Proprietary operating systems have a majority market share
The current ubuntu.com shows a laptop with one Super key covered with Ubuntu logo and another unchanged, anyone? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Proprietary operating systems have a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
** Description changed: - Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. - This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. + Proprietary operating systems have a majority market share in the new + desktop PC marketplace. This is a bug which Ubuntu and other projects + are meant to fix. As the philosophy of the Ubuntu Project states, "Our + work is driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible + to all." - Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, - restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and - limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full - potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. + "Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. Free software gives everyone the freedom to use it however they want and share with whoever they like. This freedom has huge benefits. At one end of the spectrum it enables the Ubuntu community to grow and share its collective experience and expertise to continually improve all things Ubuntu. At the other, we are able to give access to essential software for those who couldn’t otherwise afford it – an advantage that’s keenly felt by individuals and organisations all over the world." + * http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy + + Non-free software leaves users at the mercy of the software owner and + concentrates control over the technology which powers our society into + the hands of a few. Additionally, proprietary software stifles + innovation, maintains artificial scarcities, and enables malicious anti- + features such as DRM, surveillance, and other monopolistic practices. + + This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. Steps to repeat: - 1. Visit a local PC store. + 1. Visit a local PC store. + 2. Attempt to buy a machine without any proprietary software. What happens: - 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed. - 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. + + Almost always, a majority of PCs for sale have a proprietary operating + system like Windows or Mac OSX. In the rare cases that they come with a + GNU/Linux operating system or no operating system at all, the drivers + and BIOS may be proprietary. What should happen: - 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. - 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. - 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. + + A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software. + + * http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html + * http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines + * http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd ** Summary changed: - Microsoft has a majority desktop market share + Proprietary operating systems have a majority market share -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Proprietary operating systems have a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > I think the switch to Unity is beginning to pay off. Mee too. However, I am experiencing other issues that do make me more worry - I think I have mentioned that earlier. Currently I am reinstallating the laptop of my father because he was accidently clicking the upgrade button on his 10.04 and then he couldn't either re-login - Such experiences worry less experienced people as they cannot fix it on their own (I tried a while to fix it without success and then I decided that data and settings-backup + clean reinstall is maybe the far better option) and they loose trust into their OS (although my father uses Ubuntu for a longer time now he still uses a second Windows PC also - and now switched fully back to the windows machine until I have time to fix his Ubuntu-Laptop :-( ). Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
** No longer affects: ubuntu-express (Ubuntu) ** No longer affects: ubuntu-express (Ubuntu Jaunty) ** No longer affects: Ubuntu Jaunty -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
Hi :) I think the switch to Unity is beginning to pay off. Other distros that decided to write their own flavour of the new Gnome are going to get increasingly bogged-down with that. Hopefully they might be able to combine a few of those projects and at least one will remain sustainable and go in a good direction. It's a bit of a gamble though and there is no certainty in what they are doing. Ubuntu is primarily a gateway project to help people migrate away from non-Gnu&Linux. As such it is still highly successful. Even if a lot of people are still jumping-ship it doesn't really hurt Ubuntu all that much. Most of those people are likely to be working upstream in projects such as LibreOffice and other programs that are often used in Ubuntu. By working upstream they help more than one distro. Unity is becoming increasingly useful to power-users so many of those people will probably return but with new-found (or rediscovered) skills and interests and hopefully some interesting new ideas too. I wasn't a huge fan of Unity at the start but i had a feeling that things would go this way. Fortunately for me i am really happy with Unity in the 12.04 so i was able to stick with the 10.04 and then smoothly 'upgrade' (actually did a fresh reinstall on most machines) from one LTS to the next. So, for me it's all been a bit of a storm in a tea-cup. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:37 AM, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > In the rush to be everything to the new user, the experienced user is > being thrown under the bus. (You may argue that this is not your > intent, but the view from under the bus says intent is not the only > issue.) I have not seen an exodus like this since Windows ME. And it > is not just Unity I like unity although I consider myself to be a power-user. It's not unity that is the problem and since 12.04 it works quite well. However, there are a few extremely annoying details (samples see buglist I posted before) that should get fixed before implementing new stuff. Finish one thing before introducing more new and unstable stuff. Already now I am worrying about wayland - although I perfectly understand and appreciate that decision, I worry there will be major issues in the beginning that makes it unusable for at least two versions of Ubuntu. It's the same as you don't need to talk somebody about self-fulfillment, who doesn't have a flat to live in. The basics must be solved before you can take it up to the next level. > (I still recommend it for > non-technical new users and tablet fans.) It is far to risky. I also trying to get Ubuntu spread - but a) I do not try to talk somebody into Ubuntu any more, I just tell them to choose a distribution they like and b) yes, I also feel be more on the risky side than ever (although there are different reasons for that which are not all the fault of Canonical). > In the rush to get the new people, I am seeing something I had not seen > in the Ubuntu community before; Churn. Churn is expensive, and is a > regression towards fixing Bug1. I didn't know the word "Chrun" and looked it up in the dictionary getting several very different translations. Pretty sure, I don't get you right here. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
On 09/30/2012 05:33 PM, Martin Wildam wrote: > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Guruprasad wrote: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766 > > While funny on one side, it seems that some more important issues are > overlooked currently: I would say far more than funny. :) But also, quite sad. In the rush to be everything to the new user, the experienced user is being thrown under the bus. (You may argue that this is not your intent, but the view from under the bus says intent is not the only issue.) I have not seen an exodus like this since Windows ME. And it is not just Unity (since now you can get full Gnome 2 functionality without to many ugly hacks) or the Amazon ads (since your can turn them off) or the dumping of the alternate install disk, a tool without which this system I am typing on currently now could not have been installed on. (Graphics glitch which while fixable, it required changing things on the install and a reboot, something hard to do on a Live CD) It is the fact that over and over (including in the humorous thread listed) we are being told we are wrong. (Example https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766/comments/4 ) We are being told that they way we choose to do things is not the way they should be done, and if we don't like it, go to Lubuntu. The thing is that when you do that, you loose people. (Not just to Lubuntu, but you loose the spirit they once had.) I still promote Ubuntu, but not like I once did. I was the recruitment guy for the Houston LoCo. I sponsored Ubuntu hours, and launch parties. I even mentioned Ubuntu in an InformationWeek interview. I worked to get Ubuntu installed on Desktops in two different companies I worked in since I started using Breezy, but I would not do so now. (I still recommend it for non-technical new users and tablet fans.) It is far to risky. In the rush to get the new people, I am seeing something I had not seen in the Ubuntu community before; Churn. Churn is expensive, and is a regression towards fixing Bug1. I am not saying the direction you are going is a bad one. Just to look at the people you are leaving behind... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Guruprasad wrote: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/1055766 While funny on one side, it seems that some more important issues are overlooked currently: "ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently." https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/993187 "This bug affects you and 305 other people"... "Window management - Cursor position changes relative to window while dragging windows" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/201681 "This bug affects you and 74 other people"... "Automatic remount of safely removed drive" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/792085 "This bug affects you and 68 other people"... "Dragging and holding a selection over an entry in the Launcher should spread out windows belonging to that application" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/607796 "This bug affects you and 114 other people"... "pdftops CUPS filter has several problems" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/poppler/+bug/382379 "This bug affects you and 50 other people"... "xmlcopyeditor does not start - needs a no-change rebuild in both Precise and Quantal" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmlcopyeditor/+bug/901547 "This bug affects you and 34 other people"... "Drag & Drop of browser links to the desktop does nothing" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1012633 "This bug affects you" (wonder why only affects me - however, bug is confirmed)... "Error while burning - some files may be corrupted on the disc" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/367037 "This bug affects you and 28 other people" Just to mention a few... Sincerely, I give a s... on Amazon search results in the Dash - at least not until all of the above are fixed. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
Bump. Just wondering if we have completed a full cycle from this bug #1 to #1055766 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome- terminal/+bug/1055766). Perhaps another bug for liberation? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share
** Summary changed: - Microsoft has a majority market share + Microsoft has a majority desktop market share -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority desktop market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
cThis might be a good oportunity to gain market share: http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/09/am-i-an-outlier-or-are-apple-products-no-longer-easy-to-use.php By the way, I use kde because for me has the best family of programs, but still has many UX problems that some times makes me wonder if I should change, but yet again, I cannot find a better desktop environment -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This might be a good oportunity to gain market share: http://battellemedia.com/archives/2012/09/am-i-an-outlier-or-are-apple-products-no-longer-easy-to-use.php By the way, I use kde because for me has the best family of programs, but still has many UX problems that some times makes me wonder if I should change, but yet again, I cannot find a better desktop environment -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker. A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1 ** Tags added: iso-testing -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
** Branch unlinked: lp:~oscarolar/+junk/suite_project -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Warren Hill <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > I think we need to work with schools. When a kid comes home from school > saying I need a computer for school then the parents naturally go out > and buy something that does the same as the school computer. I already heard about a school telling parents that they need to buy a Windows-PC because of several Windows-material, they use. Never, ever would I buy a Windows-PC for my kids. Apart from that that they will never see anything else but Ubuntu until they get into school. Unfortunately they same ignorance I see in professional IT companies and software development companies. I have talked to a customer a few weeks ago who doesn't have a Windows AD-Domain and doesn't want to have Windows servers at all, but he told me that he has to use them because certain software is running only on Windows servers but they need that software... So certainly there would be demand but it does not really work with the supply. That's because people accept the Windows where the alternatives lack of functionality and where the vendors stick with their ignorance. Vendors can only ignore Linux where the alternatives lack and where the the critical mass hasn't yet switched to Linux/Ubuntu. Only then they would loose a big amount business without providing platform independent (or pure Linux) solutions. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I think we need to work with schools. When a kid comes home from school saying I need a computer for school then the parents naturally go out and buy something that does the same as the school computer. If however we can convince the schools to use Linux machines then that is what the kids will want. If that is what the kids want then that's what the shops will sell. It's simple supply and demand. Increase the demand and the supply will follow. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I think we need to work with schools. When a kid comes home from school saying I need a computer for school then the parents naturally go out and buy something that does the same as the school computer. If however we can convince the schools to use Linux machines then that is what the kids will want. If that is what the kids want then that's what the shops will sell. It's simple supply and demand. Increase the demand and the supply will follow. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I think we need to work with schools. When a kid comes home from school saying I need a computer for school then the parents naturally go out and buy something that does the same as the school computer. If however we can convince the schools to use Linux machines then that is what the kids will want. If that is what the kids want then that's what the shops will sell. It's simple supply and demand. Increase the demand and the supply will follow. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
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Re: [Bug 1] Linux on the desktop
Folks, Windows 8 is another big chance for Linux on the Desktop. Should not be missed! And don't forget: The Linux usage is higher among sys-admins and those are often the ones also administrating the PCs of family and friends. Best regards, Martin. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Linux on the desktop
Some patch feedback. http://www.internetnews.com/blog/skerner/linux-desktops-dominate-at- black-hat.html It's a start! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
the only OS > they seem to use is Windows XP or 7. At a Tafe open day I asked if their > network supported Ubuntu, the guy pauses and says no. > > This bug is everywhere I look! > > The Australian DET will not allow any Linux distrobutions to connect to > the internet, they allow Macs as well, but not a single Linux! > > To fix this bug: > - There should be at least 1 Linux computer per Computer room. (The Win7 > Computers are so restrictive it's not funny) > - Preferably they should remove this propiatary bias and allow to learn > about an OS that will allow them to learn about it. > - Even more preferable, remove Microsofts greedy corporate grip off of > everyone, and get rid of Windows! > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug > report. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > > Title: > Microsoft has a majority market share > > Status in Club Distro: > Confirmed > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: > Confirmed > Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: > New > Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: > Invalid > Status in dylan.NET: > Invalid > Status in EasyPeasy Overview: > Invalid > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: > Invalid > Status in JAK LINUX: > Invalid > Status in LibreOffice: > In Progress > Status in The Linux Kernel: > New > Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: > In Progress > Status in The Linux OS Project: > In Progress > Status in The Metacity Window Manager: > In Progress > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: > In Progress > Status in Tabuntu: > Invalid > Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: > Invalid > Status in Tv-Player: > Invalid > Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: > In Progress > Status in Ubuntu: > In Progress > Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: > In Progress > Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: > Invalid > Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: > Invalid > Status in Arch Linux: > Confirmed > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: > Invalid > Status in “linux” package in Debian: > In Progress > Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: > Confirmed > Status in openSUSE: > In Progress > Status in Tilix Linux: > New > > Bug description: > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. > > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, > restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and > limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full > potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > > What happens: > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software > pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
d from those who have that it's not as easy to use as > Illustrator (granted the Adobe suite has been refined by paid engineers for > some time and is still a resource hog) > > I think hardware vendors will support Linux more once consumers demand it, > and not before. > > So yah currently that's my two cents. Please respond and tell me how > wrong I am and point me towards all the bad ass software I'm missing out on > :). > > > Thanks for reading if you got through that, > -Shaun > > PS I would love a Lenovo with Ubuntu pre-installed (and no Windows OEM fee > to boot). > > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:32 AM, MDV <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > >> In Australia there is a bug in the education system where the only OS >> they seem to use is Windows XP or 7. At a Tafe open day I asked if their >> network supported Ubuntu, the guy pauses and says no. >> >> This bug is everywhere I look! >> >> The Australian DET will not allow any Linux distrobutions to connect to >> the internet, they allow Macs as well, but not a single Linux! >> >> To fix this bug: >> - There should be at least 1 Linux computer per Computer room. (The Win7 >> Computers are so restrictive it's not funny) >> - Preferably they should remove this propiatary bias and allow to learn >> about an OS that will allow them to learn about it. >> - Even more preferable, remove Microsofts greedy corporate grip off of >> everyone, and get rid of Windows! >> >> -- >> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug >> report. >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 >> >> Title: >> Microsoft has a majority market share >> >> Status in Club Distro: >> Confirmed >> Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: >> Confirmed >> Status in LibreOffice Productivity Suite: >> New >> Status in dylan.NET.Reflection: >> Invalid >> Status in dylan.NET: >> Invalid >> Status in EasyPeasy Overview: >> Invalid >> Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: >> Invalid >> Status in JAK LINUX: >> Invalid >> Status in LibreOffice: >> In Progress >> Status in The Linux Kernel: >> New >> Status in The Linux Mint Distribution: >> In Progress >> Status in The Linux OS Project: >> In Progress >> Status in The Metacity Window Manager: >> In Progress >> Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: >> In Progress >> Status in Tabuntu: >> Invalid >> Status in A simple player to online TV streaming: >> Invalid >> Status in Tv-Player: >> Invalid >> Status in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team Meta Project: >> In Progress >> Status in Ubuntu: >> In Progress >> Status in “ubuntu-express” package in Ubuntu: >> In Progress >> Status in The Jaunty Jackalope: >> Invalid >> Status in “ubuntu-express” source package in Jaunty: >> Invalid >> Status in Arch Linux: >> Confirmed >> Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: >> Invalid >> Status in “linux” package in Debian: >> In Progress >> Status in Fluxbuntu: The Lightweight, Productive, Agile OS: >> Confirmed >> Status in openSUSE: >> In Progress >> Status in Tilix Linux: >> New >> >> Bug description: >> Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. >> This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. >> >> Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, >> restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and >> limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full >> potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. >> >> Steps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. >> >> What should happen: >> 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software >> like Ubuntu. >> 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features >> and benefits would be apparent and known by all. >> 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. >> >> To manage notifications about this bug go to: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions >> > > -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
In Australia there is a bug in the education system where the only OS they seem to use is Windows XP or 7. At a Tafe open day I asked if their network supported Ubuntu, the guy pauses and says no. This bug is everywhere I look! The Australian DET will not allow any Linux distrobutions to connect to the internet, they allow Macs as well, but not a single Linux! To fix this bug: - There should be at least 1 Linux computer per Computer room. (The Win7 Computers are so restrictive it's not funny) - Preferably they should remove this propiatary bias and allow to learn about an OS that will allow them to learn about it. - Even more preferable, remove Microsofts greedy corporate grip off of everyone, and get rid of Windows! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
Hi :) That would be great, even if they replaced LibreOffice with their flavour of Apache's OpenOffice. LO and AOO are not really competing with each other so much as they are co-operatively competing with the rather larger rival. It would be great to see IBM taking on MS. They might even be large enough to get soemwhere especially if other OEMs follow their lead a bit. Regards from Tom :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
To fix this bug, bur a computer and install Linux on it and then take the Microsoft sticker off carefully and give Windows 7 Key to your friend for like ten bucks and give him a Windows 7 dvd you downloaded from a torrent website and tell your friend to use the key on the sticker. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
I think I heard or read somewhere IBM was going to start shipping Ubuntu with their computers -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share
This bug is widely evident in Australia Never have I ever seen a computer without this bug, the computer manafacturers should man up and sell more computers without OS's on them! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 Title: Microsoft has a majority market share To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
