[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-08-29 Thread chappejw
It's up to the owner of the active selection to copy it from the PRIMARY
buffer to the CLIPBOARD buffer upon closing or the selection dies with
the window which is closed. This is not an Ubuntu bug or an X bug just
to be clear, but a lack of adherence to the X Windows protocol. Xserver
negotiates networked messages between clients since Unix and Linux where
built with networking in mind.

For those people who think Cntrl+c Cntrl+vis the only way to copy try
highlighting some text, change windows to another text input area and
click your middle mouse button (the mouse wheel) and this allows you to
press 1 button rather than 4 to do the same operation. Shift+Insert does
the same.

Now, just imagine there are people out there who would actually select,
right click, navigate a popup window that took 3 seconds to appear,
click copy, click-raise another window, right click, navigate the 3
second life sucking popup again, click paste, and then say I hate
computers after taking 6 or 7 steps to do the same operation. Now
multiply this tasking by 1000 and you will really start to see life
wasting away. Virus scan? defrag? reg clean? ...ouch... it hurts..!

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-08-29 Thread Endolith
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 11334 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334

Yes, that's the reason why this has been broken for 15 years.  People
who think they know better than the user how they should use their own
computer, and refusing to spend time fixing something that's a bug for
99% of the population, because they don't perceive it as one themselves.
This has all already been discussed:

http://elliotth.blogspot.com/2008/08/desktop-linux-suckage-clipboard.html
http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/05/i-hate-copy-and-paste.html
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3118/
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/16966/


** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 11334
   Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-08-29 Thread pyrates
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 11334 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334

The design of the clipboard isn't rocket science here.  Implement it
according to the way Windows does it.  If an application wants to use
the selection method of copy and pasting, then it takes over the ctrl+c
ctrl+x ctrl+v shortcuts since it's most likely a terminal application.
But most other applications are not and the selection method should
therefore be disabled in the main clipboard implementation.

You may think you save time using the selection method, but it is NOT
intuitive.  And we wonder why at the beginning of every year someone
announces that this year will be the year of the linux desktop and yet
it fails to come true.  This is why.  Users expect stuff to be working
properly and this is an example of something not working properly and
the developers not caring enough because it works the way they want it
to work and that's what matters to them.  It doesn't matter to them that
to most end users, it is broken and not working.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-07-10 Thread pyrates
Also, for previous applications who don't follow this behavior, they
should not be included until they are fixed.  What's so hard about
checking this bug in each of those applications, and if they have it
implemented, include them.  If they don't have it implemented, don't
include them.  Put pressure on the authors of those applications that if
you don't do simple fixes like this, then you don't get included.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-07-10 Thread pyrates
One more thing, adding any kind of daemon instead of fixing it on the
Xorg layer, is a bandaid solution and wastes resources because if the
daemon dies, then your clipboard appears broken again.  I see this bug
was submitted 2 years ago and it still effects users today.  What is the
hold up?

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-07-10 Thread pyrates
Why not fix this in the Xorg layer?  Why are we bothering to fix it in
gnome?  If we fix it in Xorg, then gnome and even kde will automatically
get this fix.  I also don't get why this is set to medium, it should be
a critical bug!  This bug can cause me to lose data and any bug that
does that is critical to me.  Second, here is an article written that
explains why it needs to be fixed and why it's taken so damn long to
even look at fixing it.  From http://elliotth.blogspot.com/2008/08
/desktop-linux-suckage-clipboard.html.

Desktop Linux suckage: the clipboard

X11's equivalent of the clipboard has been broken since I first used
X11, back in 1993. 15 years later, things are still as bad as ever they
were.

They say hard cases make bad law, and terminal emulators make very hard
UI cases. Unfortunately, nerds being nerds, a terminal emulator tends to
be the first application written for any Unix GUI. There are two main
problems caused by starting with the terminal emulator and generalizing
to the other 99% of applications. The more fundamental problem is that
terminal emulators expect that most keystrokes can be passed through to
the pseudo terminal, including the keystrokes that every other
application on your system uses as keyboard equivalents for menu
actions.

The X11-specific problem is that XTerm conditioned many long-term Unix
users to use the selection instead of the clipboard. (If you're not an
X11 user, you probably have no idea what I'm talking about here. Don't
worry; we'll get to it.)

The big problem with the X11 clipboard is actually nothing to do with
terminal emulators, except in so far as if they'd actually written some
real apps instead of guessing what they might be and how they might
behave, they probably wouldn't have crippled the clipboard in the way
they did.

The easy one first, though. Mac OS uses a modifier key for menu actions
(the command key) that didn't exist on traditional terminals, cleverly
side-stepping the problem. PuTTY on Windows basically does without; a
not unreasonable solution. GNOME Terminal uses control and shift
(instead of just the control key). Terminator uses alt, which used to
be popular on Unix, but fell out of favor in Linux times, thanks (I've
always assumed) to the influx of Windows users.

As for the second problem, you may or may not know that Mac OS actually
has multiple pasteboards (as usual, even their terminology is
different). Mac OS hides them well enough that real people neither know
nor care. Real people using Linux, even if they only use Firefox, get
screwed by the old selection versus clipboard nonsense. Basically,
in addition to the usual clipboard with its explicit copy and paste
actions, there's a selection. To set it you just select some text. To
paste it, you press the middle button. (These days, the scroll wheel.)
To paste it over existing text (such as in your web browser's location
bar)... well, you can't do that. It's roughly that mistake that screws
people over.

I see this catch people out at least once a week, and that's amongst X11
users savvy enough to simply shrug, mutter something along the lines of
bloody clipboard, and try again more carefully. As long Linux has no
Steve Jobs to stand up and say this is hurting us, so out it goes, I
don't see this getting fixed. Anyone could write the patches to remove
X11 selection support. But without a Steve Jobs standing over the
relevant projects' maintainers, how could we ever get them accepted? The
gatekeepers we have are the XTerm-toting Emacs users who sincerely
believe they couldn't live without this shit.

(KDE offers an option to ignore the selection, but I believe it defaults
to the old behavior. My work-around is to just never use middle-button
paste. It's a lot easier to kick the habit than most old-timers probably
imagine, and it makes your muscle memory more portable to other
systems.)

This isn't actually the worst part, though. The funny thing about that
nonsense is that it's more likely to affect nerds than real people,
because real people aren't too likely to come across the selection by
accident. In fact, they're likely to give up on Linux before they get
that far.

More serious is that there isn't a clipboard in the sense of a central
place that stuff gets copied or cut to. The way it works is that it's
more like a token that gets handed round. So if you copy in Firefox and
paste Rhythmbox, what happened was that at copy-time Firefox said if
anyone wants the contents of the clipboard, they should ask me, and at
paste time Rhythmbox asked who has the clipboard contents?, was told
Firefox, and asked Firefox could I have the clipboard contents?.
Which is all nice and efficient, saving unnecessary copying... until
someone copies, quits, and tries to paste. Now the application with the
data is no longer running, so it's gone.

This is not how a clipboard should work.

I don't need to tell you that this isn't how a clipboard should work, of
course. You have common sense. 

[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-06-22 Thread sklp
Posted a possible fix to firefox:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/21202/comments/50

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-06-15 Thread sklp
** Also affects: hundredpapercuts
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-06-15 Thread David Siegel
This is a rather difficult fix, not a trivially fixable usability bug.
Therefore, it is not a paper cut.

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Status: New = Invalid

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-03-16 Thread anton.pussep
This clipboard problem is really annoying, I would also like to see this
fixed soon.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-02-26 Thread crisis13
Hello,
I have NEVER had this clipboard problem OUTSIDE UBUNTU so, IT IS AN UBUNTU BUG!

PLEASE MAKE THIS CRITICAL AFTER 2 YEARS OFF LOSING INFORMATION FROM MY
CLIPBOARD

MAYBE THIS IS NOT SERIUES FOR A PROGRAMMER BUT FOR NORMAL USERS THIS IS
A BIG FRUST !

Or does this neglecting means UBUNTU tries to PUSH their way off working
as a new standard?

The LAST  UPGRADES were DOWNgrades to my 6 year old Compaq.
NVIDAI-lecagy, is NOT woking anymore 
my TRUST webcam IS NOT RECOGNISED anymore
MY TRUST-SCSI connect IS NOT recognised any more
My 3GP_file's Have suddenly NO SOUND AT ALL.

THEY USED TO WORK NORMALY !

Aperently the PRIMAIRY DEPENCIES cold HARDWARE are NEGLECTED BY UBUNTU


THE POWER OFF LINUX TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON ANY COMPUTER

IF IT ALL WORKED BEFORE 
WHY NOT ANYMORE

SHOULD I STEP BACK TO SUSE 7 

sorry if i am frusted and yelling

BUT 2 YEARS IS A LONG TIME FELLOWS !!

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-01-26 Thread nxsty
This is still a problem in Jaunty with the latest updates as of today.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-01-26 Thread Endolith
I have been using Parcellite, which fixes this, so I haven't tried gnome
clipboard daemon, but if it's a simple as installing one of these
programs, shouldn't they be installed by default?

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-01-26 Thread nxsty
@Endolith: I agree, why not work around this problem by enabling
parcellite by default until firefox etc. is fixed?

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-01-26 Thread Endolith
1. Something like Parcellite might be good by default, but some might complain. 
 If gnome-clipboard-daemon also solves the problem and doesn't interfere with 
other clipboard apps, that should be installed by default, since it's less 
obtrusive.
2. I don't think it has anything to do with Firefox.  Are you able to copy and 
paste from other apps after you've closed them?  I thought that was impossible 
for *all* X apps.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-01-26 Thread mati
Starting another daemon would increase computer startup time, which is already 
horrible (but it's something being worked on).
That is not a proper solution, the applications should be fixed not to destroy 
clipboard content.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2009-01-26 Thread Endolith
Computer startup time is of negligible importance compared to usability
and data loss.  Until the apps are properly fixed, we should provide a
workaround by default.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-12-24 Thread Patrick Roberts
True, this one is really annoying, but still isn't fixed. I'm using
Glipper for some time, but this application doesn't handle pictures. I'm
now going to try that Clipboard Daemon.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-12-24 Thread Endolith
Parcellite fixes this, too.  Glipper just crashed when I tried to use
it.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-10-15 Thread Endolith
I thought this was a problem with X?

Normally, when you copy something in an X application and you close it,
the content of the clipboard is lost. This is probably one of the
biggest reasons why people keep saying that copy  paste in Linux
doesn't work.

Clipboard Daemon is a program that keeps the content of your X clipboard
in memory, so the clipboard won' get lost even after you close the
application you copied from. It's a daemon - it has no GUI. You start it
and it'll run in the background and Just Work(tm).

http://members.chello.nl/~h.lai/gnome-clipboard-daemon/

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-10-08 Thread DanielRoesler
I can confirm that this bug still occurs on Intrepid beta, at least for
Firefox.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-09-17 Thread cornbread
This is still an issue in intrepid. Why hasn't this been fixed and why
is this only medium? I think a clipboard not working properly is a
BLOCKER! Especially when we are trying to gain some market share!?!

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-05-03 Thread Sitsofe Wheeler
(Evolution issue is also tracked in Bug #39513 )

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-05-02 Thread Colin Dean
The clipboard bug was working fine for me in Gutsy, but it's not in
Hardy.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-04-19 Thread cornbread
Please fix this!

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-04-07 Thread xtknight
Yup, still happens to me.  Especially a lot with XChat too.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-03-31 Thread DanielRoesler
I can confirm this bug is still on the Hardy Heron 8.04 beta LiveCD. It
should be fixed before the final release of the LTS.

** Bug watch added: Mozilla Bugzilla #311340
   https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311340

** Also affects: firefox via
   https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311340
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-03-31 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: firefox
   Status: Unknown = Confirmed

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-03-27 Thread sv3t
Problem persists in Hardy. Extremely annoying!

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-03-19 Thread Fred
Please, fix this!
It bothers me much.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-02-18 Thread mattcasters
I stand corrected on my previous comment: the problem persists, even
with glipper running.  It just happens a little bit less often.

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-01-17 Thread Saïvann Carignan
** Summary changed:

- Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed
+ MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

** Description changed:

  When I copy (Ctrl + C, or right click and Copy) text from somewhere
  and after that close the program where it is, the clipboard gets empty.
  
  This bug will happen in any application that doesn't comply with the recent 
clipboard specification from FreeDesktop.
  http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager
+ 
+ Actual Status :
+ 
+ Firefox : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311340
+ Thunderbird : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221183
+ Sunbird : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412782
+ OpenOffice : http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63092
+ Evolution : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258374
+ GIMP : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510204
+ Gnucash : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510205
+ 
+ Pidgin : Fixed
+ Inkscape : Fixed
+ Gedit : Fixed
+ Most Gnome apps, Fixed

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[Bug 106644] Re: MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed

2008-01-17 Thread Saïvann Carignan
** Description changed:

  When I copy (Ctrl + C, or right click and Copy) text from somewhere
  and after that close the program where it is, the clipboard gets empty.
  
  This bug will happen in any application that doesn't comply with the recent 
clipboard specification from FreeDesktop.
  http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager
  
  Actual Status :
  
  Firefox : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311340
  Thunderbird : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221183
  Sunbird : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412782
  OpenOffice : http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63092
  Evolution : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258374
- GIMP : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510204
+ GIMP | GTK+ : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510230
  Gnucash : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510205
  
  Pidgin : Fixed
  Inkscape : Fixed
  Gedit : Fixed
  Most Gnome apps, Fixed

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MASTER Clipboard gets lost when windows is closed
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106644
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