[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
I have remastered the Hardy beta LiveCD after having updated this package and I do confirm we can now see Ho Chi Minh as the default timezone choice for Vietnam in Ubiquity. So this bug can now be closed. Many thanks! -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
** Changed in: tzdata (Debian) Status: New = Fix Released -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
** Changed in: tzdata (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = In Progress -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
This bug was fixed in the package tzdata - 2008b-1ubuntu1 --- tzdata (2008b-1ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low * Update to tzdata 2008b: - New name of Calcutta is Kolkata. (LP: #155042) - New name of Saigon is Ho Chi Minh. (LP: #121540) * Resynchronise with Debian. Remaining changes: - debian/control: Add Replaces: to locales, where tzdata was kept in Dapper (must be kept until after Hardy's release). - Build a tzdata-java package, with the help of javazic.tar.gz.uu. tzdata (2008b-1) unstable; urgency=low * New upstream release. - Renames Asia/Saigon to Asia/Ho_Chi_Minh. closes: #471305. * Add conversion code for Asia/Saigon and Asia/Calcutta to Asia/Ho_Chi_Minh and Asia/Kolkata respectively. -- Martin Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:50:36 +0100 ** Changed in: tzdata (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
FYI... I've post a closing answer to this thread. Summary here: 1) no more ask for switch to Hanoi in tzdata ; 2) no more ask for Hanoi link in tzdata ; 3) confirmed the necessity to switch from Saigon to Ho_Chi_Minh. It seems that 3) is being considered by tzdata maintainers, so we'll probably close this bug soon. As for 1) and 2) I've understood tzdata is not the right place to do this kind of change so I'll suggest another way: propose multiple city names for time zones at the user interface level, as we can see in some other systems. Or may be simply don't change anything and explain people what is the time zone naming simple and only rule: the most populous city, and not the capitol as we usually guess it should be... Anyway, I also understand that this change is not Ubuntu specific and so I'll eventually continue this work at the source in the Debian bug report (linked at top of this page). Thanks to everybody having participated in this, especially Martin Pitt for the first step with upstream. -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
FYI... Following indication from Clint Adams (see Debian's bug link at top of this page) I'm discussing this at the source: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/2122 As Martin Pitt already said, people from tzdata have good arguments to keep going with current rules, which define time zone names using the most populous cities. Hopefully they already agreed to change Saigon to Ho_Chi_Minh, but there's not enough space to append _City to the name since the POSIX limit is 14 characters for each path component. So as the last resort option, I'm trying to let Hanoi be a link to Ho_Chi_Minh so one can choose either one. Not sure if they'll agree on that since it requires more management on their side, especially if everybody start to ask to add link for the Capitol City... -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
** Changed in: tzdata (Debian) Status: Unknown = New -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
I contacted upstream again, since changing city names without upstream's consent quickly leads to incompatibilities and a maintenance overhead. ** Changed in: tzdata (Ubuntu) Importance: Low = Medium -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
I can hardly understand the too long argument when Asia/Ho_Chi_Minh_City is only 21 characters long but you can find other time zone specification as long as 30 characters, eg America/North_Dakota/New_Salem... Note also that, after tzdata source inspection, I can see multiple translations of Saigon into Ho Chi Minh which is simply totally wrong. At the minimum Asia/Saigon should be changed to Asia/Ho_Chi_Minh_City, since the city name was changed to the name of the Vietnamese President after the liberation from U.S.A. people in 1975, the old name remembering to some people the old ages. But it *really* should be changed to Asia/Hanoi because it is the Vietnamese's main city from the Vietnamese government point of view! Microsoft have done this change (moving from Saigon to Hanoi) since Windows XP, it's 6 years ago and I can't believe it takes so long to make the same with FOSS... Please don't give them arguments against us!! :-( ** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #471305 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471305 ** Also affects: tzdata (Debian) via http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471305 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
Ha Noi is the Capital of the country and there's only one time zone in Viet Nam. There's no reason to keep Sai Gon -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
Clearly the Capital of a country should be listed like for any other country whether it has the largest population or not. The argument of population is only valid for other cities being listed in case of countries with more than one time zone. As regards the spelling one could argue whether it should be the spelling in Vietnamese language Ha Noi or the spelling in English language Hanoi. For the English language interface I would suggest that Hanoi is more appropriate. -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
Hello guys, i'm a Vietnamese Linux user, i think we must change the name of Saigon, that name was the past and remind us some bad memories. So, can you guys change it to Ho Chi Minh city, or maybe just HCMC (in the short way) ^^! And the truth is Ha Noi is our capital and have the same TZ with HCMC ^^! and one thing is that VN is now more and more pay attention to Linux and open source software, but we don't have enough knowlegde about this Linux... and maybe it's not so useful... so, you guys have any ideas to make the fast spread of Ubuntu??? like changing Saigon to HCMC?? cause that will show the goverment how many cares you guys put on our country and it will make the gov happy to use Linux in the gov sys ^^! Hope you guys can do something Good luck and have a nice day Vietnamese User -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
i'd like to vote for Saigon to be renamed too. Alternatives may be on of Ho Chi Minh City, Ho Chi Minh, TP Ho Chi Minh, HCMC, or Ha Noi, Hanoi. In fact, Windows (at least Vista Business edition that i'm using here) already uses Bankok, Hanoi, Jakarta. -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
Hanoi is the best one. -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
Hi, If only one entry for Vietnam is allowed, I would choose Hanoi as it makes more sense. Hanoi is being the Capital and it maybe not the largest city of the country but, at least it is the second largest city of the country. BTW Hanoi has plans to expand to three neighbour provinces (Ha Tay, Hoa Binh and Phu Tho) which then will make of Hanoi the largest urban agglomeration of Vietnam. Also the term of largest as criteria is not really a good one, as ranking can never be fixed for eternal. Several criteria should better be used to have the Most meaningful choice wheen it has to be unique. If Saigon is to be kept, it should definitely be renamed to TP Ho Chi Minh or to TP HoChiMinh if the number of characters is an issue. In this case Hanoi is even one character shorter than Saigon. -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
Hello Martin, I thought from your last comment that you guys accepted to change the city name into TP Ho Chi Minh , but I still see the Saigon references in Hardy tzdata package here http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/tzdata/filelist Have you guys forgot? Best Regards. -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
OK, let's use TP Ho Chi Minh. -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
Answers from upstream so far: As was largely hashed out over China, changing to Hanoi would in fact *not* be consistent--the standard is largest city, not necessarily capital. (For example, Australia, Canada, China, India, New Zealand, South Africa, and the USA do not have explicit listings for their capital cities.) I argued that Beijing should be in because of its significance in determining Chinese-calendar dates, but lost that one. As for what to call any given city, on that I have no opinion. Let's see whether anyone else replies. -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low Status: New = Confirmed -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
I'll contact upstream about this issue. Upstream apparently knows about it, the asia file has: # Saigon's official name is Thanh-Pho Ho Chi Minh, but it's too long. # We'll stick with the traditional name for now. But maybe it's time to change it for good. Thanks for the hint with Hanoi, that's indeed much more appropriate. ** Changed in: tzdata (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: ubiquity = tzdata Assignee: (unassigned) = Martin Pitt Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 121540] Re: Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City
It's true than maybe Than-Pho Ho Chi Minh can be a little bit long, in vietnamese Than-Pho means City. Usually even in official papers they use to reduce to TP Ho Chi Minh. Or even to TP HCM, In english we reduce to HCMC. I recommend the option TP Ho Chi Minh. Also don't forget about including the capital. Hanoi. Thks. -- Where are you? SAIGON should be named Ho Chi Minh City https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/121540 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
