[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
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[Bug 1279558]
1. All links provided in comment 5 consistently confirm that a dot is used as a grouping (thousands) separator in it_IT, also a comma is used as a decimal (fraction) separator. Also CLDR which we usually treat as an authoritative source confirms the same. Currently it_IT provides the same except (as the original reporter noticed) that it does not provide any grouping separator for LC_NUMERIC. Therefore I'm going to add a dot as a grouping separator in LC_NUMERIC in it_IT even if this differs from the original request. Note that the same values are currently in LC_MONETARY in it_IT. 2. But CLDR also confirms that a similar mark as the original reporter suggests is used in it_CH (Italian language as used in Switzerland). Currently an ASCII apostrophe is used in glibc but CLDR says it should be a character (Right Single Quotation Mark, "’"). It is correctly transliterated to an ASCII apostrophe while building non- Unicode locales. Therefore I'm going to use the character as a grouping separator in LC_NUMERIC in it_CH. 3. But all LC_NUMERIC and LC_MONETARY sections in all Swiss locales (including LC_MONETARY in it_CH) contain just “copy "de_CH"”. So maybe LC_NUMERIC should also contain “copy "de_CH"”? True, de_CH uses an ASCII apostrophe as a grouping separator while CLDR says it should be . Also, CLDR says that a decimal separator for both it_CH and de_CH should be a dot. In glibc it is correctly set in all Swiss locales except it_CH. Shortly: all Swiss locales should use an apostrophe (or better the Right Single Quotation Mark) as a grouping (thousands) separator and a dot as a decimal (fraction) separator. Therefore instead of what I said in point 2. I am going to use “copy "de_CH"” in LC_NUMERIC section of it_CH and I'm going to update de_CH to use as a thousands separator in both LC_NUMERIC and LC_MONETARY. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558]
Fixed in master, commit 527f355e5e97bb0f76e88caadb08d2405cacea94. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
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commit 527f355e5e97bb0f76e88caadb08d2405cacea94
Author: Rafal Luzynski
Date: Mon Sep 10 16:00:45 2018 +0200
Italian and Swiss locales: Use the correct separators (bug 10797).
CLDR and many other sources say that it_IT (Italian) should use a dot
(".") as a thousands separator and a comma (",") as a decimal separator.
For it_CH and de_CH CLDR says that they should use the Right Single
Quotation Mark ("’") as a thousands separator and a dot (".") as a
decimal separator. Consequently, the same rules are copied to all other
locales in Switzerland.
These rules apply to both LC_MONETARY and LC_NUMERIC.
[BZ #10797]
* localedata/locales/de_CH (mon_thousands_sep): Use "" (Right
Single Quotation Mark).
(thousands_sep): Likewise.
* localedata/locales/it_CH (LC_NUMERIC): Use “copy "de_CH"”.
* localedata/locales/it_IT (thousands_sep): Use ".".
(grouping): Use "3;3".
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Summary of changes:
ChangeLog| 10 ++
localedata/locales/de_CH |4 ++--
localedata/locales/it_CH |4 +---
localedata/locales/it_IT |4 ++--
4 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
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[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
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[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/langpack-locales -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
This bug was fixed in the package langpack-locales - 2.13+git20120306-10 --- langpack-locales (2.13+git20120306-10) trusty; urgency=low * debian/patches/ubuntu-it_IT-thousands_sep.patch: Use a dot as the thousands_sep (LP: #1279558). -- Gunnar Hjalmarsson gunna...@ubuntu.com Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:34:27 -0800 ** Changed in: langpack-locales (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
** Bug watch added: Sourceware.org Bugzilla #10797 http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10797 ** Also affects: glibc via http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10797 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
** Changed in: langpack-locales (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low ** Changed in: langpack-locales (Ubuntu) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: langpack-locales (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Gunnar Hjalmarsson (gunnarhj) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
Launchpad has imported 6 comments from the remote bug at http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10797. If you reply to an imported comment from within Launchpad, your comment will be sent to the remote bug automatically. Read more about Launchpad's inter-bugtracker facilities at https://help.launchpad.net/InterBugTracking. On 2009-10-17T08:02:07+00:00 Nicolò Chieffo wrote: Italian people use to put a separator for thousends in numbers. This separator is U+0307 COMBINING DOT ABOVE Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack- locales/+bug/1279558/comments/0 On 2009-10-29T17:19:46+00:00 Drepper-fsp wrote: Where is the evidence? I need to see official documents (standards, official web sites) which show this. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack- locales/+bug/1279558/comments/1 On 2009-10-29T17:32:30+00:00 Nicolò Chieffo wrote: Ok, I will try to look for them. In the mean time you can see that there is a separator for thousends in the currency. Ulrich can you help me in bug http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10425 ? Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack- locales/+bug/1279558/comments/2 On 2009-10-30T09:36:55+00:00 Nicolò Chieffo wrote: A sort of citation is wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator In Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Romania, Sweden and much of Europe: 1 234 567,89 or 1.234.567,89 (in handwriting, 1˙234˙567,89 is also seen[citation needed], but never in Denmark or Sweden). Notice that at primary school, my math teacher used ˙ (COMBINIG DOT ABOVE), while during the following courses nothing was used (just because the thousands separator is not mandatory, I imagine). I've also seen the space and the full stop used. I'm trying to find this in online newspapers, but they seem to prefer using the word thousands instead of the full number Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack- locales/+bug/1279558/comments/3 On 2010-04-09T03:23:05+00:00 Drepper-fsp wrote: (In reply to comment #3) A sort of citation is wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator In Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Romania, Sweden and much of Europe: 1 234 567,89 or 1.234.567,89 (in handwriting, 1˙234˙567,89 is also seen[citation needed], but never in Denmark or Sweden). Well, this text says it's a space or a decimal point. Not the character you expect to use. Another negative is that this combining character is used for something completely different. You likely want something like U00B7. U0307 is transliterated to . But even that isn't correct according to your source. Either provide additional justification or I'll close this. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack- locales/+bug/1279558/comments/4 On 2014-02-12T22:20:53+00:00 Paul Schreiber wrote: I recently hit this bug on CentOS 6.5 and Ubuntu 12.10. Places where you see the desired behaviour (a period/dot): 1. Mac OS X 10.9.1 2. Oracle documentation: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/806-0169/overview-9/index.html 3. Microsoft Style Guide (page 15): http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/c/9/bc941591-4242-4c22-97d6-dfebc7aa6869/ita-ita-StyleGuide.pdf 4. Django source code: https://github.com/django/django/blob/master/django/conf/locale/it/formats.py?source=cc Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack- locales/+bug/1279558/comments/5 ** Changed in: glibc Status: Unknown = Incomplete ** Changed in: glibc Importance: Unknown = Medium ** Bug watch added: Sourceware.org Bugzilla #10425 http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10425 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
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[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
Paul, I wrote a patch, but for some reason it does not make a difference for me when testing with Language Support. Can you please test it and let us know about the result? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558] Re: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
Mystery solved: The grouping keyword had to be changed too. Merge proposal submitted. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glibc/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1279558] [NEW] Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep
Public bug reported: The Italian (it_IT) locale has an empty thousands_sep. This is likely due to a bug in glibc: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10797 That bug is five years old; it'll probably be faster to patch this than wait for an upstream fix. Places where you see the desired behaviour (a period/dot): 1. Mac OS X 10.9.1 2. Oracle documentation: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/806-0169/overview-9/index.html 3. Microsoft Style Guide (page 15): http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/c/9/bc941591-4242-4c22-97d6-dfebc7aa6869/ita-ita-StyleGuide.pdf 4. Django source code: https://github.com/django/django/blob/master/django/conf/locale/it/formats.py?source=cc ** Affects: langpack-locales (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1279558 Title: Italian (it_IT) locale has empty thousands_sep To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/1279558/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
