[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Daniel van Vugt]

*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1907914 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914

Ubuntu 20.10 is a short-lived release so there won't be any updates to
the installer where 20.10 can ever be fixed. And 20.10 reaches end of
life in July (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases).

The fix is in 21.04 already, and if you would like to see it in 20.04.3
then please click the nominate button in bug 1907914.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1907914 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1907914

On 2021-03-18 20:26, Alvin wrote:
> This bug is still there in Ubuntu 20.10.

Right, but it has been addressed for 21.04.

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1907914
   default locale when selecting english(US) and belgian timezone is incorrect

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Alvin]

This bug is still there in Ubuntu 20.10. You can change locales, but you
should be able to choose something more sensible in the installer.

If the automatic guess is only good for a handful of people, manually is
better.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Ben Van Aerde]

This is still an issue in Ubuntu 20.04.
I changed it manually:

Settings > Language and Region > Manage Installed Languages
Install/remove languages
choose: other (it only shows a small list at first), and check "Dutch".

Afterwards, go to tab "Regional Formats". Here, you'll see "Deutsch" as a 
display language for numbers, dates and currencies.
Now you can select "Nederlands (België)".

Press "Apply system-wide". After logging it again, it should be
"solved".

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Glotzbach]

Physically in The Netherlands, set location in the installer to
Brussels, Belgium. And I have German date in my top bar in 18.04 LTS...

A choice would indeed be nice, if there's more than one official
languages for the location.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Btw, Belgium-English is possible to obtain, sort of:

* Choose English as language

* Choose fr_BE.UTF-8 as region in the GUI

* Add this line to the ~/.profile file:

  export LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

1) I suppose that those responsible for the design of the installer want
to keep it simple.

But, as I explained in comment #27, you can choose afterwards.

2) That would be quite a different approach to locale handling. A huge
project.

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Re: [Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[osmeest]

1) why not let the user choose ? When a country has multiple languages,
just show the list.

2) what if a Belgian user like me wants Belgium-English ? That's just
impossible to obtain... For once, Windows does it better with this regard.


Le mar. 18 sept. 2018 à 18:55, Gunnar Hjalmarsson <
1295...@bugs.launchpad.net> a écrit :

> @OliWare: You get a Belgian locale, just not the one you want.
>
> @Jonas: I assume the same. We can't remove a locale for this reason; we
> have the locales provided by glibc.
>
> But I suppose that the installer (ubiquity/localechooser) could be
> tweaked to 'guess better'. That would require some hard coded
> information about most common language in countries with multiple
> languages. Re-opening the ubiquity task.
>
> ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
>Importance: Undecided => Medium
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> ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
>Status: Invalid => Confirmed
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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

@OliWare: You get a Belgian locale, just not the one you want.

@Jonas: I assume the same. We can't remove a locale for this reason; we
have the locales provided by glibc.

But I suppose that the installer (ubiquity/localechooser) could be
tweaked to 'guess better'. That would require some hard coded
information about most common language in countries with multiple
languages. Re-opening the ubiquity task.

** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Medium

** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Confirmed

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Jonas - JLSolutions.eu manager]

@gunnarhj, "guessing" a locale should not use a locale used only by a very 
small percentage of people in Belgium.
>From the format I'm going to assume it's picking the first locale it can find?
In that case I would actually suggest to remote de_BE from the default locale 
listing as it's a very niche market, see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-speaking_Community_of_Belgium

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[OliWare]

Lol, 'this is not a bug'. The installer clearly guesses wrong, only 1%
in Brussels speaks German. I want my installation in English but with
the Belgian locale.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Just noticed this bug report.

It's not a bug. You don't explicitly set the regional format in the
installer, but the installer 'guesses' that setting based on the time
zone location. So if you state Brussels for time zone, it seems to pick
the de_BE.UTF-8 locale.

If you want something else, e.g. Dutch:

1. Install the Dutch language (to have the applicable locales generated)

2. Select Dutch as the region.

Closing.

** Changed in: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Invalid

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Amedee Van Gasse]

Language format in gnome-control-center is shown as "Belgien" (German word for 
Belgium).
Regional formats shows "Deutsch" (German, in German), expected: "Nederlands" 
(Dutch, in Dutch).

** Also affects: gnome-control-center (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Amedee Van Gasse]

(pressed Enter too fast) and the Regional format can't be changed there.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Amedee Van Gasse]

Maybe this should be filed as a translations bug?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_a_translation_bug

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Amedee Van Gasse]

I can confirm that 18.04 LTS still does not know the difference between
Dutch and Deutch.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Luc Van der Veken]

Ubuntu 18.04, still the same.
It looks like Germany won the war after all, at least for people living in 
Belgium.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Amedee Van Gasse]

By the way, confirming that the bug is still present in Ubuntu 17.10.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Amedee Van Gasse]

According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity#Notes, this bug
should be tagged with "ubi-language". So where does one set tags on a
bug?

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Amedee Van Gasse]

According to user ikonia on IRC, this bug is the same on Debian, so we
need to find the identical bug in Debian and see if it's being worked on
there.

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Re: [Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Jonas - JLSolutions.eu manager]

I guess we’re not important enough 

On 29 Jan 2018 at 13:36, Adrien <1295...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:


Almost 4 years after the first report, this bug is still present.
Fresh install from Ubuntu-MATE 17.10.
During installation, chosen language: English, location: Brussels.
All the menus are in English, but date and time are in German.
It can be solved by the user going to "Language support > Regional Format".

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Bug description:
Fresh install from the live-cd (Daily build Xubuntu 14.04 - 32 bit).
My location was determined as Brussels (which is correct).


1. Loginscreen : date and time in german
2. After login : date and time in german
Locale is set to Deutsch ???
3. Ibus : keyboard-layout = German(?)-Belgian

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 14.04
Package: ubiquity (not installed)
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.13.0-18.38-generic 3.13.6
Uname: Linux 3.13.0-18-generic i686
ApportVersion: 2.13.3-0ubuntu1
Architecture: i386
CurrentDesktop: XFCE
Date: Fri Mar 21 13:07:03 2014
InstallCmdLine: file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper
initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash -- maybe-ubiquity
InstallationDate: Installed on 2014-03-21 (0 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 14.04 LTS "Trusty Tahr" - Alpha i386 (20140320)
SourcePackage: ubiquity
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Adrien]

Almost 4 years after the first report, this bug is still present. 
Fresh install from Ubuntu-MATE 17.10. 
During installation, chosen language: English, location: Brussels. 
All the menus are in English, but date and time are in German. 
It can be solved by the user going to "Language support > Regional Format".

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Maarten Peeters]

Bug is still present in 16.04 with a fresh install.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Nicky De Maeyer]

confirming bug still present in 15.10...

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Re: [Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Jonas - JLSolutions.eu manager]

:/

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 14:25 Nicky De Maeyer 
wrote:

> confirming bug still present in 15.10...
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> Bug description:
>   Fresh install from the live-cd (Daily build Xubuntu 14.04 - 32 bit).
>   My location was determined as Brussels (which is correct).
>
>
>   1. Loginscreen : date and time in german
>   2. After login : date and time in german
>   Locale is set to Deutsch ???
>   3. Ibus : keyboard-layout = German(?)-Belgian
>
>   ProblemType: Bug
>   DistroRelease: Ubuntu 14.04
>   Package: ubiquity (not installed)
>   ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.13.0-18.38-generic 3.13.6
>   Uname: Linux 3.13.0-18-generic i686
>   ApportVersion: 2.13.3-0ubuntu1
>   Architecture: i386
>   CurrentDesktop: XFCE
>   Date: Fri Mar 21 13:07:03 2014
>   InstallCmdLine: file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed boot=casper
> initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet splash -- maybe-ubiquity
>   InstallationDate: Installed on 2014-03-21 (0 days ago)
>   InstallationMedia: Xubuntu 14.04 LTS "Trusty Tahr" - Alpha i386
> (20140320)
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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Carroarmato0]

Changing citizenship is probably faster. Too lazy to dig into the code
and patch it if it takes a few clicks post-install ^^

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

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Still affects 15.10

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Jonas - JLSolutions.eu manager]

Hi

Confirming that this bug still affects 14.04.2 LTS, tested trough clean
install with location setting to Brussels. result is a semi german
interface = unexpected behaviour.

expected behaviour: 
nl_BE locales (for correct punctuations) and default (selected) language locale 
(probably en_US) for LANG

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[osmeest]

Installed a brand new Kubuntu 15.04, choosing English as language and Belgium 
as my country.
As a result, I get a very unnice de_BE.UTF-8 as my language.

Note that this problem exists also in 14.04.2 LTS and 14.10, whatever
the *buntu flavor you choose (also seen in Lubuntu and Xubuntu). This is
a problem in the locale generation mechanism, not in a KDE or Gnome
specific tool.

** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[osmeest]

Could it be related to the fact that en_BE is not defined in 
/usr/share/i18n/locales/ ?
In that case, a similar result should be obtained by selecting a weird 
combination like en_FR...
But then, why does it default to de_BE ?!

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  Wrong language (German) after fresh install

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

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[Expired for ubiquity (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60
days.]

** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Expired

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Didier L]

In the end I changed everything to en_GB and the dates are now displayed
correctly.

However, gnome-language-selector still suggests me to install the DE
packages for an unknown reason.

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  Wrong language (German) after fresh install

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Didier L]

Same issue here, Ubuntu 14.04.1 x86_64 fresh install from a live usb a
few days ago.

During install I chose to install the system in English, with the
“French (Bépo)” keyboard. I'm also located in Brussels, Belgium.

Everything is in English and the keyboard mapping is correct. However
the dates are in German for the login screen, the application and the
date command.

My /etc/default/locale strangely contains the following:
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=de_BE.UTF-8
LC_TIME=de_BE.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=de_BE.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=de_BE.UTF-8
LC_NAME=de_BE.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=de_BE.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=de_BE.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=de_BE.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=de_BE.UTF-8

I changed everything to en_BE (not sure whether that's actually valid…)
but it is not effective yet, even in new gnome-terminal. I'll reboot
later today to see.

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Brian Murray]

@Olivier - Which installation media did you use? Was it 14.04 or 14.10?
If it was 14.04 was it the 14.04 point release?

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

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Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

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   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

[Olivier Godart]

Same bug here, also installed in Belgium, Brussels.
Fresh install using Ubuntu Desktop 64 bit live image

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[Bug 1295627] Re: Wrong language (German) after fresh install

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This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker.

A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here:
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1295627

** Tags added: iso-testing

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