Re: [Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
On 1/28/08, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Changed in: grub (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist I pose that until a person can make the console display on boot, this isn't a wishlist. This bug is problem enough that I would task time to try a different linux. I thought my laptop had locked up as the screen just stayed blank on start up. No, turns out fsck was running. Until I removed the battery and rebooted and checked the log... oops. I'm thankful there was no consequence. Best, Chris -- Chris Kelley www.ca-cycleworks.com -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
Chris, does the grub quiet command cause your screen to stay blank? That's certainly a more serious issue, can you please file a new bug? -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
The grub quiet option (or command if you like) - the one that is on its own line inside a menu entry stanza - only disables some messages that grub prints before the kernel boots. It does not alter the verbosity of the kernel nor of the start-up scripts. Unless there's a bug. See the Ubuntu grub source debian/patches/quiet.diff for more information. Just for comparison: the kernel quiet option (or parameter) - the one that is on the kernel line - tells the kernel to be less verbose, and is also probed for by the start-up scripts (see /usr/share/initramfs- tools/init and /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/usplash and /etc/init.d/rc). This bug report is not about this one. -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
On 1/29/08, Tormod Volden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, does the grub quiet command cause your screen to stay blank? That's certainly a more serious issue, can you please file a new bug? Hi Tormod, Thanks for writing back. No, the problem I have is that I am unable to disable the quiet option. It is always quiet during boot. This feature is unique to my Dell D630 Intel laptop. Every other ubuntu install I have configured to watch the console as the computer boots up. I have 6 ubuntu computers: Dell D630 notebook Intel core-duo with ICH8 family chipset: Kubuntu Gutsy x86_64 Sony vaio sz220 notebook intel duo-core ICH7 chipset: Xubuntu Gutsy Dell C521 dimension desktop #1 AMD athlon 64 edubuntu lts dapper Dell C521 dimension desktop #2 AMD athlon 64 ubuntu server gutsy Dell C521 dimension desktop #3 AMD athlon 64 ubuntu server gutsy hp e-pc Pentium 4 Xubuntu gutsy It would not irritate me so much if it wasn't the computer I spend the most time on. And it is this one I spend the most time watching it boot ... with nothing to show for its progress. My LTS server: $ uptime 03:29:43 up 110 days And I only rebooted because I noticed the kernel version had changed a number of times since the last reboot. :) Thanks, Chris -- Chris Kelley www.ca-cycleworks.com -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
Hi Tormod, Thanks for writing back. Ah, yes. I understand better now. Then my humble suggestion would be to mention /etc/default/grub and the supports_quiet=false option within the comments of menu.lst (the magically reappearing quiet grub option is what brought my annoying self here) :) That would satisfy this software engineer, recently converted to linux. Thanks and I go away now (happily) :) Chris On 1/29/08, Tormod Volden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The grub quiet option (or command if you like) - the one that is on its own line inside a menu entry stanza - only disables some messages that grub prints before the kernel boots. It does not alter the verbosity of the kernel nor of the start-up scripts. Unless there's a bug. See the Ubuntu grub source debian/patches/quiet.diff for more information. Just for comparison: the kernel quiet option (or parameter) - the one that is on the kernel line - tells the kernel to be less verbose, and is also probed for by the start-up scripts (see /usr/share/initramfs- tools/init and /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/usplash and /etc/init.d/rc). This bug report is not about this one. -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
** Changed in: grub (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
Thanks for the patch. I think this bug should be set to wishlist, but I can't :) ** Changed in: grub (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid = Confirmed -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
No matter the steps I take, I cannot un-quiet my Gusty install. One of the first things I do (after fixing apt's sources.list) is to undo the splash and quiet. I've done it all and can't get it to show the startup like it did with fiesty. I don't know if Gutsy does this to our servers (as opposed to Fiesty) as the first apt-get they receive is ssh so I can go back to my desk. Once I get caught up with work, I'll research how to create a bug since even with the fixed steps I cannot undo this feature. Basically, I consider forcing quiet and blanking the screen akin to some of the dumbing down microsoft does to protect people from seeing how things work. :) Chris -- Chris Kelley President California Cycleworks, Inc www.ca-cycleworks.com 619/501-2466 On 1/1/08, Tormod Volden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the patch. I think this bug should be set to wishlist, but I can't :) -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
I agree entirely with Peter on this. By not including a skeleton
/etc/default/grub or not mentioning the file in the standard
documentation, you guys are strongly breaking the principle of least
surprise.
To date, I think this is the only case of a program I have encountered
on a Debian-based system that can use something under
/etc/default/${PROGRAM} without having it be documented nor having a
skeleton file.
Attached is a debdiff patch.
** Attachment added: Patch to the source package.
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11091521/grub-default.patch
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[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
Hi Tormod, thanks for your answer, as I always re-edited menu.lst to remove the quiet lines which update-grub always wrote. None of my ubuntu distributions have a /etc/default/grub file; do you mean we create that file with the line supports_quiet=false ? imho, this should be the default, as the menu.lst already has quiet splash set as options. I believe the normal user would believe when they remove quiet that it should stay removed. :) Chris -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
Yes, you can create /etc/default/grub yourself, it's not there by default. quiet splash are kernel/boot parameters, not grub options. It's a bit confusing but those two quiet are two different things. -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
I note that (a) /etc/default/grub isn't documented in the update-grub(8) manpage; (b) there's no indication that this supports_quiet setting is supposed to be a user setting rather than a random internal script variable that might stop working or behave differently in future (c) there's no way to have some kernels have the grub 'quiet' setting but not others using this workaround. I don't think I agree with your reading of the use case either. The text of that page up to the use case bits is talking generally about all messages printed before the usplash kicks in, and to the extent that it distinguishes between grub's 'quiet' and the kernel's quiet, it's talking about the former, not the latter. So I disagree with this bug being closed as 'invalid'. -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
I think the use case in the wiki is about the boot/kernel option, not the grub option. Therefore this is not really a bug. If you want to disable the grub quiet option, add supports_quiet=false to your /etc/default/grub ** Changed in: grub (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
Change: # defoptions=quiet splash to # defoptions=splash There you go. -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 137136] Re: no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas
No, that just removes 'quiet' from the kernel command line (which I've already done). The grub 'quiet' keyword controls messages from grub itself, and is something different. -- no way to configure update-grub not to set 'quiet' option in menu.lst non-recovery stanzas https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137136 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
