[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Also affects: indicator-sound (Ubuntu RTM) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: indicator-sound (Ubuntu RTM) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: indicator-sound (Ubuntu RTM) Assignee: (unassigned) = Ted Gould (ted) ** Changed in: indicator-sound (Ubuntu RTM) Importance: Undecided = Critical -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Branch linked: lp:~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-sound/rtm- extreme-volume-warning -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Branch linked: lp:~ted/ubuntu-system-settings/extreme-volume-warning -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid = In Progress ** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Ted Gould (ted) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: indicator-sound (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = In Progress ** Changed in: indicator-sound Status: Triaged = In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Branch linked: lp:~ted/indicator-sound/extreme-volume-warning -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Branch linked: lp:~macslow/unity-settings-daemon/max-volume- notification-warning -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
One easy way in the indicator to know if the active port a headphone/headset: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8556022/ I think we should do the following: 1 - Check if the active port is headset; 2 - If headset, see if the volume for the multimedia role is higher than 75%. If higher, change it to 75% (this is basically what is done on Android). This check can be done once at every reboot (or every time someone plugs a headphone/headset). 3 - When changing volume for the multimedia role, warn the user if higher than 75%. You can also do the same for the other roles, but generally we are only concerned with multimedia. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Also affects: unity8 (Ubuntu RTM) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: unity8 (Ubuntu RTM) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: unity8 (Ubuntu RTM) Assignee: (unassigned) = Mirco Müller (macslow) ** Also affects: unity-notifications (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: unity-notifications (Ubuntu) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: unity-notifications (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Mirco Müller (macslow) ** Also affects: unity-notifications (Ubuntu RTM) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: unity-notifications (Ubuntu RTM) Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: unity-notifications (Ubuntu RTM) Assignee: (unassigned) = Mirco Müller (macslow) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Assignee: Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Tags removed: touch-2014-10-23 ** Tags added: touch-2014-10-16 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Branch linked: lp:~macslow/unity8/synchronous-notification ** Branch linked: lp:~macslow/unity-notifications/synchronous- notification -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Assignee: Charles Kerr (charlesk) = (unassigned) ** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) Assignee: Charles Kerr (charlesk) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: indicator-sound (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: indicator-sound Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: indicator-sound Importance: Undecided = Critical ** Changed in: indicator-sound (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Critical ** Changed in: indicator-sound (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Ted Gould (ted) ** Changed in: indicator-sound Assignee: (unassigned) = Ted Gould (ted) ** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
I agree with Charles. As all-embracing as mpt's solution for the convoluted EU-regulations is, that will not be doable in the RTM- timeframe. Still for the warning-at-75% stop-gap suggestion, I need a design- sanctioned mockup. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Description changed: The EU has a legal requirement for personal music players to prevent hearing damage. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32009D0490rid=1 - For the purpose of this Decision, a ‘personal music player’ means a - portable device, that is not covered by Directive 1999/5/EC or Directive - 2006/95/EC, with headphones or earphones, used to listen to recorded, - generated or broadcasted sound. + Desired resolution: - 1. For the purpose of Article 4(1)(a) of Directive 2001/95/EC, the - safety requirement for personal music players shall be the following: - Personal music players shall be designed and manufactured in a manner - that ensures that, under reasonably foreseeable conditions of use, they - are inherently safe and do not cause hearing damage. - - 2. The requirement set out in paragraph 1 shall include in particular - the following: - - (1) Exposure to sound levels shall be time limited to avoid hearing - damage. At 80 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 40 hours/week, - whereas at 89 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 5 hours/week. For - other exposure levels a linear intra- and extrapolation applies. Account - shall be taken of the dynamic range of sound and the reasonably - foreseeable use of the products. - - (2) Personal music players shall provide adequate warnings on the risks involved in using the device and to the ways of avoiding them and information to users in cases where exposure poses a risk of hearing damage. - - - Related documents: - http://ec.europa.eu/health/opinions/en/hearing-loss-personal-music-player-mp3/ - http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-08-1492_en.htm - http://ec.europa.eu/news/environment/090928_en.htm - http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-09-1364_en.htm - - Design: - - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#limits: Whenever you are using - headphones, Ubuntu should frequently measure the volume of sound output. - Whenever it is over 47 dB(A), your quota should be reduced - accordingly... - - [Originally reported in private bug 1370591.] + - For RTM the design spec'ed in the following section of the Sound wiki + page should be implemented + https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#Warnings_.28note:_This_section_should_be_implemented_for_RTM.29 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
Current implementation in action... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_tvCQ5hHxI -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
Or the text section could be allocated, and the volume bar would not move when text is displayed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
mpt, the High Volume text notification should probably be below the volume bar; that way the volume bar does not drop down/jump around while it changes color... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
Bleh.. I should have read the wiki fully.. Mirco, the specs read ...instead of saying “Headphones” should say “High volume”, and the bar should be colored. But there is no 'headphones' label above the icon, hence the jumping bar. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
As spaniard and thus still someone in the EU here is the behaviour of the phones i have around me with headset attached: Shows a notification at 70/80% that doesn't let you increase the volume unless you say ok, sure * Blackberry Z10 * Nexus 4 with Android 4.4 * Unknown manufacturer with Android 4.2 Shows a notification at 70/80% that says your volume is high, don't listen to it during a long time * Some old Samsung with Android 2.x Shows nothing: * Some old Samsung with Android 2.x * HUAWEI U8815N with Android 4.0.x * HTC One S with Android 4.0.x Some of those that show nothing may have been rooted with non european version of firmware or are too old -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
Shows nothing: * iPhone 5S bought in the USA (so may have not the EU law applied) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
Shows a notification at 70/80% that doesn't let you increase the volume unless you say ok, sure * MWG509 Wings GII with Android 4.2 And that's all the phones i could find in the house :D -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
after some discussion with LT wrt timeline requirement for this bug: 1) we'll rely on device hardware/drivers for the hard limits for 2) we provide a warning at 75% of slider with this, makes pulse opinion. ** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Status: New = Opinion ** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: Fix Committed = New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
Albert, thanks for that survey of how various systems meet Requirement 2.2. I'm fairly confident in my design for that, though, so I'm much more interested in how they meet Requirement 2.1. :-) I understand that 2.1 is much more difficult to implement (regardless of whether it's done in the driver or in pulseaudio), so it may make sense to split this into two bug reports. ** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: New = Fix Committed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
For RTM, I agree with Kevin in comment #12 about using 75% of the slider. Setting aside that it's probably literally impossible to get the actual dB coming out of a pair of headphones due to differing impedance ratings, mpt's wiki design looks well-thought-out but is not something that is implementable in an RTM timeframe. ** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Charles Kerr (charlesk) ** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged ** Also affects: indicator-sound Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Charles Kerr (charlesk) ** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Status: Opinion = Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: unity8 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
based on the specification that's been provided it would seem that the audio subsystem would need to be involved for measuring dB output as this will always be a potential driven by a combination of sw hw (e.g. sound subsystem needs to provide a means of reporting dB per volume setting) also, for the warning notifications u-s-s would need to be involved. ** Also affects: pulseaudio Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Also affects: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** No longer affects: pulseaudio -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Critical ** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Critical ** Tags removed: touch-2014-10-16 ** Tags added: touch-2014-10-23 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
Specification updated. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound?action=diffrev2=124rev1=122 ** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: In Progress = Fix Committed ** Description changed: The EU has a legal requirement for personal music players to prevent hearing damage. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32009D0490rid=1 For the purpose of this Decision, a ‘personal music player’ means a portable device, that is not covered by Directive 1999/5/EC or Directive 2006/95/EC, with headphones or earphones, used to listen to recorded, generated or broadcasted sound. 1. For the purpose of Article 4(1)(a) of Directive 2001/95/EC, the safety requirement for personal music players shall be the following: Personal music players shall be designed and manufactured in a manner that ensures that, under reasonably foreseeable conditions of use, they are inherently safe and do not cause hearing damage. 2. The requirement set out in paragraph 1 shall include in particular the following: (1) Exposure to sound levels shall be time limited to avoid hearing damage. At 80 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 40 hours/week, whereas at 89 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 5 hours/week. For other exposure levels a linear intra- and extrapolation applies. Account shall be taken of the dynamic range of sound and the reasonably foreseeable use of the products. (2) Personal music players shall provide adequate warnings on the risks involved in using the device and to the ways of avoiding them and information to users in cases where exposure poses a risk of hearing damage. Related documents: http://ec.europa.eu/health/opinions/en/hearing-loss-personal-music-player-mp3/ http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-08-1492_en.htm http://ec.europa.eu/news/environment/090928_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-09-1364_en.htm + https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#limits: Whenever you are using + headphones, Ubuntu should frequently measure the volume of sound output. + Whenever it is over 47 dB(A), your quota should be reduced + accordingly... + [Originally reported in private bug 1370591.] ** Description changed: The EU has a legal requirement for personal music players to prevent hearing damage. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32009D0490rid=1 For the purpose of this Decision, a ‘personal music player’ means a portable device, that is not covered by Directive 1999/5/EC or Directive 2006/95/EC, with headphones or earphones, used to listen to recorded, generated or broadcasted sound. 1. For the purpose of Article 4(1)(a) of Directive 2001/95/EC, the safety requirement for personal music players shall be the following: Personal music players shall be designed and manufactured in a manner that ensures that, under reasonably foreseeable conditions of use, they are inherently safe and do not cause hearing damage. 2. The requirement set out in paragraph 1 shall include in particular the following: (1) Exposure to sound levels shall be time limited to avoid hearing damage. At 80 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 40 hours/week, whereas at 89 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 5 hours/week. For other exposure levels a linear intra- and extrapolation applies. Account shall be taken of the dynamic range of sound and the reasonably foreseeable use of the products. (2) Personal music players shall provide adequate warnings on the risks involved in using the device and to the ways of avoiding them and information to users in cases where exposure poses a risk of hearing damage. Related documents: http://ec.europa.eu/health/opinions/en/hearing-loss-personal-music-player-mp3/ http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-08-1492_en.htm http://ec.europa.eu/news/environment/090928_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-09-1364_en.htm + Design: + https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#limits: Whenever you are using headphones, Ubuntu should frequently measure the volume of sound output. Whenever it is over 47 dB(A), your quota should be reduced accordingly... [Originally reported in private bug 1370591.] -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: Triaged = In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Description changed: - Apparently there is a legal requirement, when volume is high, to show a - warning of some sort. + The EU apparently has a legal requirement, when volume is high, to show + a warning of some sort. + + Discussion of the need for the requirement: + + http://ec.europa.eu/health/opinions/en/hearing-loss-personal-music-player-mp3/ + http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-08-1492_en.htm + http://ec.europa.eu/news/environment/090928_en.htm + http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-09-1364_en.htm + + Discussion of the development of the requirement: + + ftp://ftp.cencenelec.eu/CENELEC/EuropeanMandates/m452en.pdf + + (Still searching for the actual requirement) [Originally reported in private bug 1370591.] -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
Just as well I looked up the actual regulation ... It turns out that we don't just need to warn about high volume, but limit high volume by time as well. ** Description changed: - The EU apparently has a legal requirement, when volume is high, to show - a warning of some sort. + The EU has a legal requirement for personal music players to prevent hearing damage. + http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32009D0490rid=1 + - Discussion of the need for the requirement: + For the purpose of this Decision, a ‘personal music player’ means a + portable device, that is not covered by Directive 1999/5/EC or Directive + 2006/95/EC, with headphones or earphones, used to listen to recorded, + generated or broadcasted sound. + 1. For the purpose of Article 4(1)(a) of Directive 2001/95/EC, the + safety requirement for personal music players shall be the following: + Personal music players shall be designed and manufactured in a manner + that ensures that, under reasonably foreseeable conditions of use, they + are inherently safe and do not cause hearing damage. + + 2. The requirement set out in paragraph 1 shall include in particular + the following: + + (1) Exposure to sound levels shall be time limited to avoid hearing + damage. At 80 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 40 hours/week, + whereas at 89 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 5 hours/week. For + other exposure levels a linear intra- and extrapolation applies. Account + shall be taken of the dynamic range of sound and the reasonably + foreseeable use of the products. + + (2) Personal music players shall provide adequate warnings on the risks involved in using the device and to the ways of avoiding them and information to users in cases where exposure poses a risk of hearing damage. + + + Related documents: http://ec.europa.eu/health/opinions/en/hearing-loss-personal-music-player-mp3/ http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-08-1492_en.htm http://ec.europa.eu/news/environment/090928_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-09-1364_en.htm - Discussion of the development of the requirement: - - ftp://ftp.cencenelec.eu/CENELEC/EuropeanMandates/m452en.pdf - - (Still searching for the actual requirement) - [Originally reported in private bug 1370591.] -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
At 80 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 40 hours/week, whereas at 89 dB(A) exposure time shall be limited to 5 hours/week. For other exposure levels a linear intra- and extrapolation applies. I'll put this here for others to check while I do the rest of the design: maximum time per week = a function of volume 40 h = f(80 dB(A)) 5 h = f(89 dB(A)) linear intra- and extrapolation ∴ maximum time per week = m × volume + c m = (40h – 5h) ÷ (80 dB(A) – 89 dB(A)) = 35 h ÷ –9 dB(A) = –3.889 h/dB(A) 40h = –3.889 h/dB(A) × 80 dB(A) + c c = 40h – (–3.889 h/dB(A) × 80 dB(A)) = 351.111 h ∴ maximum time per week = –3.889 h/dB(A) × volume + 351.111 h. A quick graph of this formula looks right, at least. ** Attachment added: graph of the formula https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+attachment/4220266/+files/EU%20volume%20limits%20graph.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
A corollary is that it's fine to listen 24×7 if the volume is 47 dB(A) or less. So I guess that's the volume we should reduce to if you hit the limit. Six cases to consider: (turn up too loud, listening loud too long) × (OSD, System Settings, indicator menu). We'll probably use the same text across each of those three UI points. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Importance: Undecided = Critical -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Tags removed: touch-2014-10-02 ** Tags added: touch-2014-10-16 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: unity8 (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Critical ** Changed in: unity8 (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: New = Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
This topic is also being discussed in bug 1232633 so may want to dupe, for now will tag for same date ** Tags added: touch-2014-10-02 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
Mirco from other bug This warning is only shown to the user (on Android) if headphones are plugged it. We too could display such a warning by triggering a corresponding snap- decision from indicator-sound. With our current notification-system we have all needed means for this in place. But what icon, summary- and body-text should it display? What labels should be used on the buttons. How should the phone (indicator-sound) behave if the user selects Cancel? How long should it (indicator-sound) remember that user- choice? Until headphones are unplugged and plugged in again? This needs some good thought and user-journey from Design. What we need on the side of indicator-sound is a way to determine, if a headphone is currently plugged into the phone or not. I don't know the audio-stack well enough to answer this. ** Also affects: indicator-sound Importance: Undecided Status: New ** No longer affects: indicator-sound -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
yeah, please keep 'em seperate. this one is about the max vol notification not the generic volume changer grahpic feedback -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Tags added: rtm14 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1373404] Re: No warning of high volume level
** Changed in: unity8 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Mirco Müller (macslow) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1373404 Title: No warning of high volume level To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1373404/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
