[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
** Description changed:

- Before the new design, the clock app had a setting for 12h or 24h. With
- the new design, that is now gone, and there is no way to get a 24h
- clock, when using a locale that defaults to 12h.
+ Before the new design, the clock app had a setting for 12h or 24h (bug
+ 1268158). With the new design, that is now gone, and there is no way to
+ get a 24h clock, when using a locale that defaults to 12h.
  
  This should probably be a setting in the Time  Date settings control
  panel, rather than in the clock itself, but I'm filing it in both
  places, as previously setting the format in the clock did not affect the
  format in the rest of the system (as such a setting should do).

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
I didn't include a 12-/24-hour setting, or any other time/date format
settings, in System Settings because I was told they would be extremely
difficult to implement. But from bug 1392699 they may not be so
difficult after all.

As I said in bug 1236203, though, the Clock could reasonably have a
12-/24-hour toggle all by itself until we get one in System Settings.
One way of doing this (not the only way!) would be for tapping on the
clock face to toggle not just between analog and digital, but between
analog, 12-hour digital, and 24-hour digital.

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
I didn't include a 12-/24-hour setting, or any other time/date format
settings, in System Settings because I was told they would be extremely
difficult to implement. But from bug 1392699 they may not be so
difficult after all.

As I said in bug 1236203, though, the Clock could reasonably have a
12-/24-hour toggle all by itself until we get one in System Settings.
One way of doing this (not the only way!) would be for tapping on the
clock face to toggle not just between analog and digital, but between
analog, 12-hour digital, and 24-hour digital.

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-14 Thread Rodney Dawes
Well, I'd like to have 24h time across the system, not just in the clock
app (which i don't ever really use). What I want is the time in the
indicator and lock screen to be 24h.

So maybe we could get a design for such a toggle in system settings and
use this bug as the one for needing to implement that?

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Since this bug report is already about the clock app, and bug 1392699
already covers System Settings, I suggest we leave them both where they
are.

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-14 Thread Rodney Dawes
** No longer affects: clock-app

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-04 Thread Sebastien Bacher
That's not in the settings doesn't, closing that component. That can be
reopened if the design change

** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist

** Changed in: ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Won't Fix

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-03 Thread Nekhelesh Ramananthan
Thanks for the bug report. Let me take some time to report some of my
findings below,

1. As you correctly pointed out, a lot of people back then informed me
that the 12h/24h mode settings should be something present in the
settings application. As such it was removed from the clock app. Also it
wasn't included in the new design by the designers.

2. The clock app doesn't change settings system wide like the user
timezone, local settings (12h/24h) since it runs confined and I doubt it
would be given the freedom to do so. Infact at the moment, the clock app
settings page shows the user timezone which on clicking would take the
user to the TimeDate section of the settings app where they can change
their timezone.

So ideally I would like to see these settings appear in the TimeDate
section of the settings app which the clock app can then perhaps link
to. I am adding ubuntu-ux project to this bug report to get the feedback
of the designers.

** Also affects: ubuntu-ux
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: ubuntu-clock-app
Milestone: None = postrtm

** Changed in: ubuntu-clock-app
   Importance: Undecided = Medium

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-03 Thread Pat McGowan
The design for the phone does not include such a setting per use cases
at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#Phone

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-03 Thread Pat McGowan
The design for the phone does not include such a setting per use cases
at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#Phone

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-03 Thread Pat McGowan
The design for the phone does not include such a setting per use cases
at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#Phone

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-03 Thread Nekhelesh Ramananthan
Oh! That's a bit strange since Android allows users to change the time-
format in the settings app and it seems like a trivial requirement. Can
we get the opinion of mpt and any other designers and accordingly update
the bug status?

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[Bug 1388931] Re: No setting for 12h or 24h clock format any more

2014-11-03 Thread Rodney Dawes
Not only Android, but every phone I've owned that I recall, had a way to
toggle between 12h or 24h format. Also, Ubuntu supports this on my
workstation and laptop, so I see no reason why we'd want to get rid of
that as we move toward a converged experience. That wiki page also
includes no rationale as to why it shouldn't be there.

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