[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-24 Thread Martin Pitt
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1448259 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1448259

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1448259
   Systemd has wrong kill mode on shutdown

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-24 Thread Olli Niemi
New bug created:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1448259

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-24 Thread Olli Niemi
Thanks Keith for the summary. This bug can be closed.

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-24 Thread Keith Winstein
This does seem to be a systemd problem that is affecting a lot of
different applications -- basically any application that would like a
SIGTERM on reboot/shutdown so that it can save or clean up resources
gracefully.

See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141137 (upstream
systemd issue)

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170765 (systemd issue
affecting bash's attempt to save history)

https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit/issues/1155 (systemd issue
affecting cockpit)

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-
devel/2014-October/024452.html (discussion)

My suggestion would be that you open a new bug report against systemd in
Ubuntu 15.04 and mention that it is affecting bash and mosh (and
probably every other application that would like to clean up gracefully
on shutdown or reboot).

** Bug watch added: Red Hat Bugzilla #1141137
   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141137

** Bug watch added: Red Hat Bugzilla #1170765
   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170765

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-24 Thread Olli Niemi
** Attachment added: "Tester for missing SIGTERM"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mosh/+bug/1446982/+attachment/4382943/+files/test.c

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-24 Thread Olli Niemi
Unfortunately strace didn't reveal much. However, I created a small
program to show the signal.

Using test.c I can see that when testing with Ubuntu 14.10 the program always 
creates the "testing.txt" file on restart.
However, if I test with Ubuntu 15.04, that file is never created in the same 
use case.

Contrary to my previous claim, it behaves the same way in reboot & shutdown:
Mosh gets the error on reconnect and "test.c" never creates the testing.txt 
file.
SIGTERM is never received.

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-24 Thread Olli Niemi
OK, I will try with strace later, hope it's sufficient proof.

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-24 Thread Anders Kaseorg
Olli, Mosh is in the universe repository, so that responsibility falls
to the community. In practice, the set of people working on Mosh in
Ubuntu consists of Keith, who is both the upstream maintainer and the
maintainer of the Debian package that Ubuntu automatically imports. He
knows what he’s talking about, and you should pay attention to his
comments. The process of getting volunteers interested in spending their
spare time to fix your bug is not always easy, but Keith has suggested a
clear path forward, and the ball is in your court now.

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-23 Thread Olli Niemi
Are there any Ubuntu Mosh guys who take the full end-to-end
responsibility of Mosh (or systemd) working correctly there?

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-23 Thread Keith Winstein
I'm trying to help you out here, but you are making things more
confusing than necessary.

If you can document clearly that Ubuntu 15.04 behaves differently from
14.10 in the shutdown sequence (e.g., perhaps Ubuntu 14.10's shutdown
sequence sent a SIGTERM *before* cutting off the network, and Ubuntu
15.04 cuts off the network first), you might be able to get the systemd
people interested again.

But you have to document it very clearly and change only one thing at a
time.

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-23 Thread Olli Niemi
(1) I am connecting from a machine running Ubuntu release 15.04 (mosh
version 1.2.4a) to one Raspberry Pi machine running Raspbian Wheezy
release (mosh version 1.2.3). After shutdown and restart of the machine
running Ubuntu release 15.04 (mosh version 1.2.4a) I get this error from
the Raspberry Pi machine after a reconnect with mosh from the same 15.04
machine (mosh version 1.2.4a). After restart I do *not* get the this
error from the Raspbian machine (mosh version 1.2.3) when doing a
reconnect with mosh (version 1.2.4a).

(2) Connecting from the 14.10 machine (mosh version 1.2.4a) to the 15.04
machine (mosh version 1.2.4a). I did just a quick test with the 14.10
machine: shutdown only case (mosh version 1.2.4a). After shutdown and
restart of the 14.10 machine (mosh version 1.2.4a) I do *not* get this
error from the 14.10 machine when doing a reconnect with mosh (version
version 1.2.4a).

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-23 Thread Keith Winstein
Can you be a lot more explicit? To make sure I understand you correctly,
you are saying that:

(1) With a client running Ubuntu 15.04, shutting down the system does
not cleanly close your Mosh connections (it leaves a mosh-server
running), but rebooting the system *does* cleanly close your Mosh
connections.

(2) With a client running Ubuntu 14.10 but nothing else changed, BOTH
shutting down AND rebooting the client cleanly close your Mosh
connections.

Is this correct?

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-23 Thread Olli Niemi
Just tried mosh from 14.10 -> 15.04. This works correctly.

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-23 Thread Keith Winstein
Do you see different behavior on Ubuntu 14.10?

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-23 Thread Olli Niemi
My "kill -9" was a description of similar end result as to what happens on 
shutdown. Mosh behaves the same way.
I'm not normally using "kill" directly, I just wish it behaves the same way on 
reboot and shutdown (i.e. normal kill).

I don't even know is there "kill" (SIGTERM) done to mosh on shutdown. This was 
just a guess.
Another option is that it's missing.

I read somewhere that at least BSD /sbin/shutdown tries to first kill with 
SIGTERM and after that with SIGKILL.
I don't actually know what the behavior should be on Ubuntu 15.04.

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-23 Thread Keith Winstein
Hello,

I think this is working as intended.

When you "kill -9", that is sending the SIGKILL signal -- you are asking
the program to shut down *uncleanly* and immediately. The mosh-client
dies immediately, and it doesn't have a chance to let the server know
that it won't be coming back. The server has no way to distinguish this
from a case where the client simply lost its network connection (but
might regain it later).

Please use a nicer signal to kill the mosh-client. (E.g. the default for
"kill", or just exit from within the client.) Then it will have a chance
to shut down the connection cleanly.

(You might still have the problem if you exit the client while it
doesn't have a network connection -- then it again doesn't have a chance
to let the server know that it's quitting. But that is a different
problem that is hard to escape given mosh's design of everlasting,
roamable connections.)

** Changed in: mosh (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Keith Winstein (keithw)

** Also affects: mosh
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: mosh
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Keith Winstein (keithw)

** Changed in: mosh (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-23 Thread Martin Pitt
** Tags removed: systemd-boot

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-22 Thread Brian Murray
** Tags added: vivid

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-22 Thread Martin Pitt
mosh is not a system service and does not have any
init.d/service/upstart jobs. Whatever mosh does or does wrong, it does
by itself.

** Package changed: systemd (Ubuntu) => mosh (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

2015-04-22 Thread Olli Niemi
Just guessing, but let's select systemd.


** Package changed: ubuntu => systemd (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 1446982] Re: Wrong kill mode on shutdown

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