[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2009-10-10 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #376350
   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=376350

** Also affects: libpaper (Debian) via
   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=376350
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2009-10-10 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: libpaper (Debian)
   Status: Unknown = New

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-12-17 Thread Henrik Nilsen Omma
Can we close the original bug reported by Paul Flint? Closed

** Changed in: system-config-printer (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

** Changed in: libpaper (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Fix Released

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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-12-17 Thread Paul Flint
Greetings,

Indeed, this but is closed.

Regards,

Flint

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:

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 Can we close the original bug reported by Paul Flint? Closed

 ** Changed in: system-config-printer (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged = Fix Released

 ** Changed in: libpaper (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-23 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
 When you install a printer in Ubuntu. The paper type remains A4.

This problem is solved in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), the Ubuntu Desktop CD
installer ubiquity now sets /etc/papersize to match the selected locale
instead of defaulting to A4 (see bug #104160).

Paul Flint, which version of Ubuntu are you using?

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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-23 Thread Paul Flint
Pascal,

Thanks for the tip about Gutsy...

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Pascal De Vuyst wrote:

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 When you install a printer in Ubuntu. The paper type remains A4.

 This problem is solved in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), the Ubuntu Desktop CD
 installer ubiquity now sets /etc/papersize to match the selected locale
 instead of defaulting to A4 (see bug #104160).

 Paul Flint, which version of Ubuntu are you using?


Bug was found in various LTS versions 6.06, 6.10...

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Sounds like this one is closed for the moment.

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-23 Thread Pascal De Vuyst
Till and Tim,

The reason why there are 2 methods to retrieve the default papersize is 
historical.
The LC_PAPER environment variable was not part of the original POSIX standard.
To tackle the default papersize problem the Debian operation system gave birth 
to libpaper (/etc/papersize), most programs in Debian/Ubuntu use libpaper to 
retrieve the paper size, CUPS is also compiled with libpaper support.
Later a DRAFT specification of a newer POSIX standard included the LC_PAPER 
environment variable, glibc was based on this DRAFT specification. But the 
FINAL version of this POSIX standard didn't include the LC_PAPER environment 
variable, this is also the current POSIX standard version.

So both methods can be used by application developers depending if they
target POSIX compliance or only Linux compliance. In Debian/Ubuntu we
could agree on any of these methods and adapt all programs to use this
method. As some heavy discussion will be needed here I don't think this
bug report is the best place to discuss. Furthermore this effort would
be limited to Debian/Ubuntu only as long as there is no new POSIX
standard that clearly describes how the default papersize should be
retrieved.

With bug #104160 being closed in Gutsy, I think most users won't even
notice there are 2 methods to retrieve the papersize since
/etc/papersize will match the locale selected at install time.

Can we close the original bug reported by Paul Flint?

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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-23 Thread Paul Flint
Dear Pascal,

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Pascal De Vuyst wrote:

 Can we close the original bug reported by Paul Flint?


Pascal, thanks for your excellent analysis of this issue.  This bug is 
hereby squashed!!! The record will help anyone else who is running LTS in 
the future.

The best part of this is your knowledge of the history of the two 
variables and /etc/papersize.  That is just cool and needs to be recorded 
in our Ubuntu annals...

Thank you again Pascal De Vuyst!

Kindest Regards,


Paul Flint

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Tim Waugh
Till: well, have you tried setting your system locale to something where
A4 is actually used?

The primary method for setting paper sizes is always going to be the
locale.  glibc provides support for LC_PAPER; CUPS keys off the locale
string -- there really is no need for an extra (conflicting) mechanism
to find out which paper size to use.

I understand that CUPS has support for libpaper (IMHO needlessly).
Adding support for this to system-config-printer would mean creating
Python bindings for it as there do not appear to be any currently.  It
is not something I am prepared to spend any time on.  I just don't see
the benefit.

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Patrice Vetsel
It's strange and i confirm this bug.

For informations i had Bug #128258 (closed now)

In this bug when /etc/papersize (a4 for me) is not present, adding new printer 
resulting in using letter paper size.
Now it's not the case, and all printers, with /etc/papersize set to a4 or 
letter or file deleted resulting in using a4 size.

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Till Kamppeter
I have tried the following two command lines

LC_PAPER=en_IE.utf8 system-config-printer
LC_ALL=en_IE.utf8 system-config-printer

and created a new printer each time. In both cases A4 should be selected
by default, but I got A4 only for the latter case.

I think having two methods to determine the default paper size is
confusing. We should better do away with libpaper in Hardy completely
and make sure that all programs needing a default paper size using the
locale settings (preferably LC_PAPER and fall back to LC_ALL if LC_PAPER
is undefined). In addition, there should be a GUI tool added where the
locale settings can be easily changed, so that if a user goes to another
country temporarily with his laptop that he can quickly adapt settings
to that country.

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Till Kamppeter
We could also let libpaper take its default from the locale, so that if
/etc/papersize does not exist or contains auto or locale that then
the paper size is taken from the locale.


** Also affects: libpaper (Baltix)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: libpaper (Baltix)
   Status: New = Invalid

** Also affects: libpaper (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: libpaper (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = Wishlist
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Tim Waugh
Till: system-config-printer is constrained to use the same mechanism
that cupsd does, and that is to key off LC_MESSAGES when it exists (see
cups/language.c, scheduler/conf.c).  If cupsd started taking notice of
LC_PAPER, so much the better -- and I would change system-config-printer
to match.

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Till Kamppeter
Then cupsd is also not correct, for something there must be LC_PAPER.

CUPS is supporting libpaper natively, at least if libpaper-dev is
installed when CUPS is compiled. Perhaps one should explicitly cancel
the libpaper support via a ./configure option (How is it done by Red
Hat?).

In general, we must reach a state where every program looking for a
default paper size should do it exactly the same way.

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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Paul Flint
Dear Till,

I am very impressed at your scholarship in this matter, and agree with 
your assessment of the paper-type bug right up to the following statement:

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Till Kamppeter wrote:

 In addition, there should be a GUI tool added where the locale settings 
 can be easily changed, so that if a user goes to another country 
 temporarily with his laptop that he can quickly adapt settings to that 
 country.


Last year Kevin Cole, Nick Wheeler and I (et al.) wrote a command line 
tool, which thanks to Kevin Cole ended up in Python, called GIN (Gnome 
Instant Nationalization).  The good news is that this code could be a 
prototype for what you are talking about.  The bad news is that Locale is 
a very complicated matter in Gnome.

Please refer to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gin

Basically, be very careful!

Regards,


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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Till Kamppeter
Paul, did you remove the program from the public again? Your link is
dead.

In general your program will not affect settings for default paper
sizes, because:

1. Your program only switches interface languages, not locales (info abou the 
country where the user is located)
2. Your program only changes settings for individual users, but print queues 
are owned by the system, so what we need for default paper size consistency is 
a tool to quickly switch the system-wide defaults of the locale settings.

So everyone pointing us to a program to easily switch the system's
locale settings (not only the language) is welcome. Also command line
tools are welcome (one can easily add a button to an existing GUI which
calls this tool or make some mini GUI to only switch the system's
default locale, like we have my-default-printer to set the default
printer).

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Tim Waugh
 Then cupsd is also not correct, for something there must be LC_PAPER.

Yes, I agree. (In practice this usually makes no difference, but it
would be good to get it fixed.)

CUPS is supporting libpaper natively, at least if libpaper-dev is installed
 when CUPS is compiled. Perhaps one should explicitly cancel the libpaper
 support via a ./configure option (How is it done by Red Hat?).

Just by not building with it enabled.

  --enable-libpaper   turn on libpaper support, default=no

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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Kevin Cole
The gin program that Paul Flint referred to in a previous comment now
resides as a bazaar repository in http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/bazaar/gin/

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-18 Thread Till Kamppeter
Kevin, thank you. I have corrected the Wiki page now.

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-16 Thread Till Kamppeter
For me system-config-printer does not respect /etc/papersize. On my
system it is set to a4 and system-config-printer sets Letter as
default paper size.

Tim, can you add /etc/papersize (libpaper) support to system-config-
printer?


** Changed in: system-config-printer (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = High
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Tim Waugh (twaugh)
   Status: Incomplete = Triaged
   Target: None = gutsy-updates

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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-16 Thread Paul Flint
Dear Till,

I noticed exactly the same effect.  Also note that /etc/papersize is not 
always created... I would like to know more about the specification for 
the /etc/papersize file.

Regards,

Flint

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Till Kamppeter wrote:

 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:58:39 -
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 Reply-To: Bug 150691 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow
 locale
 
 For me system-config-printer does not respect /etc/papersize. On my
 system it is set to a4 and system-config-printer sets Letter as
 default paper size.

 Tim, can you add /etc/papersize (libpaper) support to system-config-
 printer?


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   Importance: Undecided = High
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Tim Waugh (twaugh)
   Status: Incomplete = Triaged
   Target: None = gutsy-updates

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-16 Thread Tim Waugh
Till: is this for a queue where you are providing a PPD file, or where
you a selecting a PPD from the list?  If it's from the list cupsd
decides on the paper size.

When a PPD file is provided, system-config-printer tries to adjust the
paper size in the same way cupsd would have if it had been in the list.

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-16 Thread Till Kamppeter
It is from the list. What I did is the following (my /etc/papersize
contains simply a4):

In system-config-printer I click the New printer button, then in the
list of detected printers I choose Print into PDF file. In the next
two steps I leave the pre-selections Generic and PDF file generator
and in the last step the suggested name PDF_file_generator. After that
I have a new print queue named PDF_file_generator with Letter as
default paper size.

Then I go into the web interface http://localhost:631/, choose
Administration, then Add printer, as name I take x, then I choose
as device PDF file generator and stay with the default Generic PDF
file generator as model/driver. The paper size default of my new print
queue x is A4 now.

During installation of Ubuntu I had once to choose the language (I chose
english) and once the time zone (I chose Lisbon/Portugal). The output of
locale, once for me and once for root you can see below.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/printing/foomatic/foomatic-filters-devel$ locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ALL=
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/printing/foomatic/foomatic-filters-devel$ sudo locale
[sudo] password for till:
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF-8
LC_ALL=
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/printing/foomatic/foomatic-filters-devel$ 
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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-16 Thread Paul Flint
Dear Tim,

Good to hear from you!

Are there any pages on launchpad on this topic.

See ya in Boston.

Regards,

Flint


On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Tim Waugh wrote:

 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:44:11 -
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 locale
 
 Till: is this for a queue where you are providing a PPD file, or where
 you a selecting a PPD from the list?  If it's from the list cupsd
 decides on the paper size.

 When a PPD file is provided, system-config-printer tries to adjust the
 paper size in the same way cupsd would have if it had been in the list.

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-08 Thread Pedro Villavicencio
** Changed in: system-config-printer (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: gnome-panel = system-config-printer

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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-08 Thread Paul Flint
Dear Pedro,

Did you confirm or fix this?

Regards,

Flint

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Pedro Villavicencio wrote:

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 Subject: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow
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 ** Changed in: system-config-printer (Ubuntu)
 Sourcepackagename: gnome-panel = system-config-printer

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[Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-08 Thread Till Kamppeter
Do you have an /etc/papersize file? What is in the file? With which
country setting did you set up your computer?


** Changed in: system-config-printer (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Incomplete

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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-08 Thread Paul Flint
Dear Till,

Thank you for kindly pointing out to me the existence of /etc/papersize!

In answer to your questions...

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Till Kamppeter wrote:

 Do you have an /etc/papersize file?


Yes indeed I do!

 What is in the file?

-rw-r--r--   1 root   root 3 2006-05-30 20:54 papersize

In the file are three bytes

a4

2 + /n...

 With which country setting did you set up your computer?


The Free Republic of Vermont, currently under the tyrannical yolk of the 
Bush Administration of the United States...

:^)

I am not at all happy with that bastard cowboy, but I digress...

Note I specifically indicated US during installation.

Finally I know what a monster Locale is.  I standby to help in any way.

Regards,

Flint

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Re: [Bug 150691] Re: Printer installation paper type does not follow locale

2007-10-08 Thread Paul Flint
Greetings Exterminators,

I have unilaterally changed the content of papersize to letter.  This 
will no doubt have cascading effects which eventually shut down the 
Internet and then life as we know it on this planet.

I want to observe if this manual intervention fixes this problem...

Regards,

Flint

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