[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Twisted Lincoln, Inc.]

While it looks like I'm a bit late, I'd strongly suggest making the
launcher distro-neutral such as "Install to Hard Drive" rather than
mention Ubuntu specifically.  Otherwise downstream distros will have to
fork Ubiquity just to change the branding.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[mac_v]

Not an icon theme bug

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 Assignee: Daniel Fore (daniel-p-fore) => (unassigned)

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[rugby471]

This has been fixed, can confirm the launcher now says

"Install Ubuntu 9.10"
 with tooltip 
"Install this system permanently to your hard disk"

in Alpha-4 (screenshot attached), setting bug as fixed.

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   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Janne Hyötylä]

Confirming Igor's comment for latest Karmic daily. Setting bug status
back to Confirmed because of that.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Igor Vatavuk]

This "fix" created another problem, now the ubiquity launcher in menu
(System>Administration) says "Install RELEASE".

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Colin Watson]

And, for the record, that was changed from your original design for the
reasons I gave in comment 4. Apparently the text under the icon is no
longer mentioned on the CD sleeve so that's no longer an issue.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

FWIW, "Install Ubuntu Permanently" was exactly what I specified in the
initial Ubiquity design in 2006.


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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Launchpad Bug Tracker]

This bug was fixed in the package ubiquity - 1.99.0

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ubiquity (1.99.0) karmic; urgency=low

  [ Michael Terry ]
  * Merge oem-config code into ubiquity.
- Adds several new binary packages (oem-config, oem-config-gtk,
  oem-config-kde, oem-config-debconf, oem-config-check, and
  oem-config-udeb).
- Various architectural changes as well, including support in various
  places for running in 'oem user config' mode.  Which is when the user is
  configuring an already-installed system after opening it (i.e. when run
  as the binary 'oem-config'.
- Baby-step support for preseeding different page sequences.
  * Automatic update of included source packages: debian-installer-utils
1.70ubuntu1, user-setup 1.27ubuntu4.

  [ Evan Dandrea ]
  * Remove code to account for last-good-boot in oem-config-firstboot as
the former has been abandoned.
  * Add a RELEASE marker in the desktop file to be substituted for the
release name and version by casper (LP: #154506).
  * Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
1.39ubuntu1, partman-auto 87ubuntu1.

 -- Evan DandreaWed, 15 Jul 2009 15:06:57 +0100

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

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** Branch linked: lp:ubiquity

** Branch linked: lp:casper

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[David Siegel]

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   Status: New

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Peteris Krisjanis]

mac_v: but that's the case! It should be simple, and it should be
understandable to everyone who tries to get it.

I would like to second 'Install Ubuntu on this computer'.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[mac_v]

How about making it more release specific,
"Install Ubuntu 9.10" ,  
and so on...

Adding "On this computer" seems to be making it too simple , almost like
teaching a toddler.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Ryan Prior]

Catto,

The user can also install software (packages), and many users don't
understand the difference between a LiveCD and a hard-drive install (nor
should they have to).

I very much like Mat's suggestion, "Install Ubuntu on this computer": it
assumes no level of technical knowledge and leaves no ambiguity as to
what launching that process will do. Absolute newbies may not understand
the word "install", but those users are very likely to have help from
somebody with at least a small amount of experience who will recognize
that verb.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Evan Dandrea]

Catto,

You can install more than the operating system in the live CD
environment, and that's what the initial comment suggests leads to
confusion.

I think "Install to hard drive" or "Install Ubuntu to hard drive" are
too verbose and are inaccurate.  You can install Ubuntu to a USB disk,
which I believe is not what users think of when they hear "hard drive".

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Twig]

I think it would be a good idea to add a sense of a permanent change. I
suggest something like "Permanently Install Ubuntu" or "Install Ubuntu
Permanently". I favour the first one as it scans better.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Catto]

When i read the suggestions "Install Ubuntu" or "Install Ubuntu to hard drive" 
i am asking myself why the 
Word "Ubuntu" is in it. Of course this icon would install Ubuntu - what else ?

I think "Install to hard drive" is a good choice.

Maybe there are some really unexperienced users that are not so familar with 
the word "install".
( Non-native english speakers. )
They would get a better understanding of the programm behind the icon if the 
Icon would be "Copy CD to my hard drive".
As a technician i think the word "install" is necessary.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Martin Karlsson]

I agree with Ryan's first comment. Maybe the Install icon/option could
be placed under the System menu (after all, it's system related right?)
among the Help and About items. I believe that there's a whole group of
people using LiveCDs for common tasks, and that never intend to install
the system to hard drive. I believe that there should be a balance
between that sort of use and the current "I'll just check it out and
maybe even install it" sort of thing. I think this icon naming issue is
primarily one of too little information.

Personally I think it would be nice to have a Welcome dialogbox,
explaining the function of the LiveCD (that you can try the system a bit
etc) and where to find the Install option (under the System menu) in
just a few sentences. Just placing an icon on the desktop so that users
really can't miss it seems sort of... I don't want to say lazy, but it's
kinda saying "Find out on your own". Maybe the icon should be replaced
with a small document describing the procedure?

That could be a bit too much of course. I'm mostly throwing things out
there, but there needs to be a balance between simplicity and
information.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[David Siegel]

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
Milestone: None => round-3

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[David Siegel]

I think "Install Ubuntu" is great. "on this computer" is superfluous, as
I am pretty sure nobody could be confused about which computer Ubuntu
would be installed on if they click the icon.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Mat Tomaszewski]

Excellent example of a papercut. My call would be to rename it to
"Install Ubuntu on this computer". Any other suggestions welcome.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Michael Budde]

What about "Install Ubuntu" if it should remain short? Perhaps that is
still a bit too vague...

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Ryan Prior]

Thanks for your comment, David. I agree that a prominent desktop icon
should be present. However, I think that a few more icons should be
placed on the desktop (that lone solitary icon seems a lot more out of
place than it does if you add links to Examples and and Help.)  In
addition, the name "Install" is very vague, whereas "Install Ubuntu to
hard drive" would be much clearer.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[David Stansby]

I don't think that would be a good idea, because people might want to
have a look at ubuntu on the liveCD before actually installing. When it
comes to installing, they could have a problem finding the right place
to go to install if there is not a prominent icon on the desktop.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Ryan Prior]

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   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Ryan Prior]

So, now that we have an "install Ubuntu to hard drive" option in GRUB,
perhaps we can get rid of the desktop icon in the LiveCD?

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Colin Watson]

I was asked to make the text short in order that descriptions of how to
install Ubuntu would fit neatly onto the text on the CD sleeves.

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[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

[Ryan Prior]

** Summary changed:

- Ubutnu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing
+ Ubuntu LiveCD "Install" icon confusing

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