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Uploaded SRU to trusty-proposed. Waiting for approval.

@ Nathanaël: The package should be in for Yakkety/Xenial/Trusty proposed
repos once accepted.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

Ok.. Thanks! Assigning the trusty SRU to myself now.

** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Trusty)
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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-24 Thread Naël

@Bhavani: thanks a lot! If it's easily doable to SRU in Trusty, why not?
That would unbreak the package for the rest of Trusty's life. But
Trusty's version of the package is 1.3 vs. Xenial/Yakkety/Zesty's 1.8.x,
so the difference in versions may make it more difficult to SRU in
Trusty. In which case, don't bother, this can be a Won't Fix.

In any case, since there is adobe-flashplugin, we'll request removal of
this package in Zesty+1, to prevent problems in future releases.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

Uploaded SRU to xenial-proposed. Waiting for approval.

@ Nathanaël: Do you want me to upload the fix to trusty too, considering
the comments above about adobe-flashplugin and pepperflashplugin-nonfree
atleast until next cycle? (for rm request processing maybe?)

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

Uploaded SRU to yakkety-proposed. Waiting for approval.

@ ubuntu-sru team: Kindly request you to approve the same.

Thanks!

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

I'll have a look and prepare an upload to Yakketty and Xenial soon
(until someone beats me to it)

** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Xenial)
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** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Xenial)
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** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Yakkety)
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** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Yakkety)
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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-16 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker

Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Trusty)
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Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Yakkety)
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Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-16 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

On 2017-02-16 08:39, Amr Ibrahim wrote:
> Just a hint to be in the picture, flashplugin-installer (from 
> multiverse) downloads and installs adobe-flashplugin (from Canonical 
> partner archive). I guess that means they are the same.

It does, but they aren't the same. flashplugin-installer only keeps the
NPAPI plugin (for Firefox and friends), while adobe-flashplugin installs
both the NPAPI and PPAPI plugins.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-15 Thread Amr Ibrahim

Just a hint to be in the picture, flashplugin-installer (from
multiverse) downloads and installs adobe-flashplugin (from Canonical
partner archive). I guess that means they are the same.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

Nominated and approved (the latter via a workaround...)

On 2017-02-14 21:40, Naël wrote:
> @Gunnar: Yes, probably too late for Zesty. Besides, we should
> probably leave the package in Zesty for now, if it is to be
> backported to the previous releases via SRUs. We'll make the request
> later.

+1

** Also affects: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Xenial)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Xenial)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Yakkety)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Yakkety)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Trusty)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Trusty)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** No longer affects: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Yakkety)

** No longer affects: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Xenial)

** No longer affects: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Trusty)

** No longer affects: ubuntu-docs (Ubuntu)

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Naël

@Gunnar: Yes, probably too late for Zesty. Besides, we should probably
leave the package in Zesty for now, if it is to be backported to the
previous releases via SRUs. We'll make the request later.

I have updated the bug's description according to the guidelines in
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates, but I can't go further for
lack of administrative rights and technical knowledge (we're supposed to
prepare... a debdiff? I don't know what that is).

Since you're in the Bug Control Team, can you nominate this bug to
Yakkety, Xenial, Trusty? Be it only for marking it as Won't Fix in these
releases (see bottom of the updated bug description).

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Naël

** Description changed:

- pepperflashplugin-nonfree downloads the Chrome for Linux Debian package 
(.deb) from Google and extracts the Flash PPAPI plugin (libpepflashplayer.so) 
to make it available to other browsers system-wide.
- pepperflashplugin-nonfree is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with 
Chrome 54 for Linux.
- pepperflashplugin-nonfree will probably need to look somewhere else online 
for libpepflashplayer.so.
+ [Impact]
  
- A Chrome user reported the missing Flash plugin in Chrome 54 beta. A Chromium 
developer answered that the Chrome browser is not bundled with the Flash plugin 
anymore. It seems that a Flash plugin still exists for Chrome but the user must 
now install it manually. Source:
- https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=645687
+ Pepperflashplugin-nonfree is a Debian package, slightly modified for
+ Ubuntu, and available in multiverse, that downloads the PPAPI Flash
+ plugin from Google (up to v1.8.3 in Debian and v1.8.2+nmu1ubuntu1 in
+ Ubuntu 16.10) or Adobe (starting with v1.8.3+nmu1 in Debian and
+ v1.8.3+nmu1ubuntu1 in Ubuntu 17.04), and installs it as /usr/lib
+ /pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so.
  
- Here you can see the relevant change in the build script; only ChromeOS gets 
libpepflashplayer.so bundled with Chrome:
- 
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/366d572053dd85c8eeda802f423716d9b008fe01%5E%21/#F0
+ Versions that download the PPAPI plugin from Google are currently broken
+ since Google decided to unbundle the plugin from Chrome 54, released in
+ late 2016-10. Until that date, ripping the PPAPI plugin from a download
+ of Google Chrome (which comes as a .deb package) was a popular way to
+ get it, and the only possible way on Linux in the early days of the
+ PPAPI plugin, when it was only available to Google. Then Adobe made the
+ Linux PPAPI plugin available to Canonical and on their download site.
  
- (side note: https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ offers
- Windows and Mac versions but no ChromeOS version)
+ The Debian package was changed to download the plugin from Adobe, in
+ version 1.8.3+nmu1 on 2017-01-14, and that fix landed in
+ 1.8.3+nmu1ubuntu1 in Ubuntu 17.04 (the current development release) on
+ 2017-01-22.
+ 
+ The package is still broken in the published releases: 16.10 16.04
+ 14.04. It could be repaired by merging the changes made between
+ 1.8.3ubuntu1 and 1.8.3+nmu1ubuntu1 into the published releases' versions
+ of the package.
+ 
+ This would qualify for an SRU because the bug comes from a change in a
+ web service that made the package stop being installable. This change
+ also causes a security vulnerability in so far as the Flash plugin can
+ no longer be updated (updates were processed by downloading a new
+ version of Google Chrome and extracting the bundled Flash plugin).
+ 
+ [Test Case]
+ 
+ On Ubuntu < 17.04, installation and reinstallation of pepperflashplugin-
+ nonfree (v < 1.8.3+nmu1ubuntu1) fails. On Ubuntu 17.04 (v =
+ 1.8.3+nmu1ubuntu1), it succeeds.
+ 
+ [Regression Potential]
+ 
+ I can't think of any. The new version has been in Debian Sid for one
+ month without any report of a regression, so that's a good sign. It was
+ initially tested in debbug 833741.
+ 
+ [Why not to SRU]
+ 
+ On the one hand, it's bad form to leave an utterly broken package in the
+ published releases when it has been fixed in the development release and
+ works there. Theoretically, SRUs should be performed.
+ 
+ On the other hand, pepperflashplugin-nonfree is The Debian's Way to
+ install the PPAPI Flash plugin. Ubuntu users are recommended to install
+ adobe-flashplugin from Canonical's partner repository instead. Not all
+ Ubuntu users are aware of that. See:
+ 
+ https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-install-flash.html
+ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash
+ 
+ We can consider intentionally not fixing that package in the published
+ releases, in which case this bug report should be marked Won't Fix in
+ Yakkety, Xenial, Trusty.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

@Nathanaël: No, I don't have access to remove any packages. A request
will have to be filed. Possibly too late for zesty.

Haven't talked with Chris yet. Just tried to ping him on IRC:

https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/02/14/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t12:06

Assuming that he doesn't have any other thoughts, neither I see any
reason to keep maintaining pepperflashplugin-nonfree in Ubuntu.

On 2017-02-14 03:26, Nathanaël Naeri (Naël) wrote:
> One still has to run the provided update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree to
> update it from time to time.

Right, and that's a not unimportant disadvantage with pepperflashplugin-
nonfree compared to adobe-flashplugin.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

@Blaze: Assuming that you use Firefox, and with adobe-flashplugin
installed, you can install the browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
package to make Firefox actually use the PPAPI plugin.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Naël

@Viktor:

Awesome! You may want to follow the following file in the future:

https://github.com/i-rinat/freshplayerplugin/blob/master/src/config_pepperflash.c

The developer of this application (a PPAPI-to-NPAPI wrapper) does a good
job of keeping up with the possible locations of the PPAPI Flash plugin.

@Blaze:

You seem to be a little mixed up, "Pepper Flash Player" *is* the PPAPI
Adobe Flash plugin, and it is no longer provided by Google alone as part
of Chrome, but available for download from Adobe's web site, along with
the NPAPI Adobe Flash plugin. Both plugins are maintained by Adobe for
respectively PPAPI-compatible browsers (e.g. Chrome) and NPAPI-
compatible browsers (e.g. Firefox).

Also, the PPAPI and NPAPI versions are not exactly the same, especially
regarding hardware acceleration and DRM support:
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2016/08/beta-news-flash-player-npapi-
for-linux.html. This is intentional on Adobe's part. So the difference
in your experience between the two plugins most certainly comes from
this.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Blaze

Pepper Flash Player is maintained by Google. Adobe Flash plugin is
provided by Adobe both the PPAPI and NPAPI versions. Don't you see the
difference?

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Stéphane

Hello Blaze,
What do you mean with "hardware acceleration works better with Pepper plugin"? 
adobe-flashplugin does install the Pepper Flash plugin alongside the NPAPI 
plugin. Did you check that your browser / application uses the correct version 
of the Flash plugin (Pepper and not NPAPI)?

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Blaze

Experience with the Adobe flashplugin is somewhat worse than with the
native Google solution. For example it's not possible to make a flash
video go fullscreen, at least in QtWebengine. Also hardware acceleration
works better with Pepper plugin. Therefore it's not a complete
replacement.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-14 Thread Viktor Engelmann

In Qt WebEngine, we have added "/usr/lib/adobe-
flashplugin/libpepflashplayer.so" to the locations where it looks for
the plugin, so it is now also found when one installs the package
"adobe-flashplugin".

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2017-02-13 Thread Naël

This bug has been fixed in pepperflashplugin-nonfree 1.8.3+nmu1 in
Debian on 2017-01-14, and the fix landed in 1.8.3+nmu1ubuntu1 in Ubuntu
Zesty (the current development release) on 2017-01-22. The PPAPI Flash
plugin is now downloaded from Adobe rather than Google. One still has to
run the provided update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree to update it from time
to time.

I'm marking the bug as Fix Released (in the development release).

The package is still broken in the published releases: Trusty, Xenial,
Yakkety. Is it worth requesting Stable Release Updates? It would
qualify, since the bug comes from a web service change that makes the
package stop working, and exposes the user to Flash vulnerabilities.

I also still believe, like I said in comment 32, that this package
offers no advantage over adobe-flashplugin, besides being in multiverse
rather than in partner. Unless that last point is important
(independence from Adobe/Canonical, perhaps?), dropping the package from
Zesty seems more appropriate to me. If this has to be done before
FeatureFreeze, there's only a couple days left. Gunnar, do you have the
authority to do that? Also, did you get feedback from Chris Coulson?

** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Debian)
   Status: New => Fix Released

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-12-05 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

On 2016-12-06 03:37, Nathanaël Naeri wrote:
> Regarding the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package in the Ubuntu
> archive, I am in favor of proposing to drop it from the archive in
> zesty (I believe you mean zesty).

Yes. Thanks for pointing it out.

> BTW, was there ever a consensus in favor or against enabling partner
> at install time, when you contacted the ubuntu-devel list?

No. Because of my mistake in the first message, there was a side
discussion, but nobody commented on the actual proposal. I think I'll
ask Chris Coulson (who currently maintains both adobe-flashplugin and
flashplugin-installer) in a private mail. Will ask for his view on
pepperflashplugin-nonfree as well, to confirm that our assumption, that
adobe-flashplugin will keep being maintained, is correct.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-12-05 Thread Nathanaël Naeri

Yes, I contacted Daniel a few weeks ago to let him know about the
Chrome/Flash unbundling and suggest he downloads from Adobe or retires
his PPA. Since there is now a variety of ways to get the NPAPI/PPAPI
Flash plugin, he decided to retire his PPA, and I updated my Flash memo
to stop mentioning it. I remember there used to be a time around Ubuntu
Precise where his pepflashplugin-nonfree was the sole packaged way to
install the PPAPI plugin for other browsers than Chrome. Let him be
thanked for this pioneer work.

Regarding the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package in the Ubuntu archive, I
am in favor of proposing to drop it from the archive in zesty (I believe
you mean zesty). As it stands now, this package will stay broken until
the original Debian maintainer fixes it, and there hasn't been a sign on
debbugs 833741 and 841373 that this will happen soon. And even if it
does, this package offers no advantage over the adobe-flashplugin
package in partner, besides being in multiverse rather than in partner.
Unless that last point is crucial, I vote for proposing to drop the
package.

BTW, was there ever a consensus in favor or against enabling partner at
install time, when you contacted the ubuntu-devel list?

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-12-04 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

I just noticed what Daniel did with the pepperflash PPA he provided
previously.

https://launchpad.net/~skunk/+archive/ubuntu/pepper-flash

As regards the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package in the Ubuntu archive,
is it time to propose that it's dropped from the archive in yakkety?

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-29 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

Thanks for sharing that memo, Nathanaël. Indeed a useful road map to get
a grasp of the current confusing state of Flash related packages.
Hopefully we will succeed in simplifying it a bit.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-28 Thread Nathanaël Naeri

I read the ubuntu-devel thread and agree with everything you said.
Thanks for trying to solve that issue at installation level.

As a side note about that thread: AFAIK, flashplugin-installer (NPAPI
11.2, src:flashplugin-nonfree) comes from Debian too, just like
pepperflashplugin-nonfree (PPAPI, src:pepperflashplugin-nonfree), and
they have the same Debian maintainer (Bart Martens), and the same update
mechanism on Debian (sudo update-update-[pepper]flashplugin-nonfree
--install).

https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer

So that's all the more surprising that the first one has been heavily
modified for Ubuntu (plugin actually downloaded from partner behind the
scene, and package version bumped with Flash updates) while the second
one hasn't (only small details if I understand the changelog correctly).

In case that helps now or in the future: I have some notes about Flash
plugins and wrapper that I read and update everytime I have to setup a
new computer (which happens quite frequently). Without this memo I'd be
lost in the maze of similarly-named Flash packages:

https://gist.github.com/nathanael-naeri/0ba3d8aba09743221d76142e896ab2c0

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-28 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

On 2016-10-28 23:01, Nathanaël Naeri wrote:
> Gunnar:
>> As regards dependencies in Ubuntu, I don't think it's possible to
>> let a package in universe/multiverse recommend or depend on a
>> package in Canonical Partner, since the latter is not enabled by
>> default.
> 
> I thought so too, but now I'm not sure it's that much of a problem,
> as long as a fallback is in place.

Well, when working with bug #1633678 I tested it and changed my mind.
The proposal there does not include a fallback, and the package system
seems to handle it fine.

Btw, Your remark about the recommends of ubuntu-restricted-addons was
interesting considering a post I made to the ubuntu-devel mailing list
earlier today:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-October/039529.html

(I posted a correction afterwards, so if you read that message, please
read the whole thread.)

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-28 Thread Nathanaël Naeri

Gunnar:
>
> As regards dependencies in Ubuntu, I don't think it's
> possible to let a package in universe/multiverse
> recommend or depend on a package in Canonical Partner,
> since the latter is not enabled by default.

I thought so too, but now I'm not sure it's that much of a problem, as
long as a fallback is in place. Take ubuntu-restricted-addons for
instance, which is installed with a new copy of Ubuntu when the option
about non-free software is selected: it recommends adobe-flashplugin |
flashplugin-installer for i386 architectures (and, weirdly enough, only
flashplugin-installer for amd64 architectures) (flashplugin-installer is
the one that only installs the NPAPI plugin, adobe-flashplugin is the
one in partner with NPAPI and PPAPI).

http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-restricted-addons

Stéphane:
>
> In the past I had a cron job reinstalling the package
> everyday to make sure that a secure version of Flash
> plugin was in use; this approach is does not work
> anymore since the installation fails.

This nice approach is also implemented in Jonathon Fernyhough's version
of pepperflashplugin-nonfree. His version also downloads the plugin from
Adobe instead of Chrome, so it should have survived Google's
unbundling's decision. (I haven't tested it though, I use adobe-
flashplugin.)

https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/pepperflashplugin-
nonfree

Gunnar:

I agree that the PPAPI/NPAPI wrapper shouldn't be retired given that a
few features present in the existing PPAPI version won't be fully
implemented in the future NPAPI version. Besides, Adobe could change
their mind again regarding NPAPI support.

> Are those extra features preserved when connecting the PPAPI
> to e.g. Firefox via the "wrapper"? If they are, it will be
> in the interest of some users to keep maintaining
> browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash, after all.

Yes I'm pretty sure they are preserved by the PPAPI-to-NPAPI translation
process: the wrapper's configuration file has a "enable_3d = 1" option
that probably refers to the support of GPU 3D acceleration, and its
Known Issues page mentions how DRM support is only provided by Chrome
OS's PPAPI plugin, not by the desktop PPAPI plugins.

https://github.com/i-rinat/freshplayerplugin/blob/master/data/freshwrapper.conf.example
https://github.com/i-rinat/freshplayerplugin/blob/master/doc/known-issues.md#drm-doesnt-work

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2016-10-27 Thread Bug Watch Updater

** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Debian)
   Status: Unknown => New

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-27 Thread Mathew Hodson

** No longer affects: freshplayerplugin (Ubuntu)

** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => High

** Also affects: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Debian) via
   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841373
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-26 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

I'm working with bug #1633678, and have uploaded some changes to a PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/freshplayerplugin

I have some doubts described in comment #3 of bug #1633678.

Would appreciate if some people could test and give feedback before I
ask for sponsorship.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-25 Thread Red Ink

CLARIFICATION:

Adobe's unreleased, new NPAPI Linux plugin will be crippled compared to
the PPAPI plugin:

   "Because this change is primarily a security initiative, some
features (like GPU 3D acceleration and premium video DRM) will not be
fully implemented."

Emphasis mine:

   "If you require this functionality, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE THE
ppapi VERSION OF FLASH PLAYER."

-- https://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2016/08/beta-news-flash-player-
npapi-for-linux.html

Using Adobe's official, crippled NPAPI plugin isn't an option for most
of us end users.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-25 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

On 2016-10-25 20:59, Stéphane wrote:
> @Gunnar:
> The PPAPI plugin has some extra features the NPAPI will not get
> according to Adobe:
> "Because this change is primarily a security initiative, some
> features (like GPU 3D acceleration and premium video DRM) will not be
> fully implemented. If you require this functionality, we recommend
> that you use the PPAPI version of Flash Player."

Thanks for pointing that out. (I for one had missed it.)

Are those extra features preserved when connecting the PPAPI to e.g.
Firefox via the "wrapper"? If they are, it will be in the interest of
some users to keep maintaining browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash,
after all.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-25 Thread Stéphane

First thanks for the (long and) exhaustive comments!

@Nathanaël: My main concern with pepperflashplugin-nonfree was that I
was stuck with an impossible to update, outdated Flash plugin. In the
past I had a cron job reinstalling the package everyday to make sure
that a secure version of Flash plugin was in use; this approach is does
not work anymore since the installation fails.

@Gunnar:
The PPAPI plugin has some extra features the NPAPI will not get according to 
Adobe:
"Because this change is primarily a security initiative, some features (like 
GPU 3D acceleration and premium video DRM) will not be fully implemented. If 
you require this functionality, we recommend that you use the PPAPI version of 
Flash Player." 
(https://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2016/08/beta-news-flash-player-npapi-for-linux.html)
Still most users should be happy with the NPAPI plugin or no plugin at all.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-25 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

Currently, i.e. as long as version 23+ of the NPAPI plugin is only beta
and not officially released by Adobe, we are in limbo. However, Adobe
can be expected to release the updated NPAPI soon, and when that
happens, all this ought to be significantly easier to deal with. Hence I
don't think it's worth too much effort to resolve the issues for this
transitional period only.

In Ubuntu the only package needed should be adobe-flashplugin, which
will provide updated versions of both NPAPI and PPAPI.
pepperflashplugin-nonfree will be redundant, and so will, if I
understand it correctly, the browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
package (the "wrapper"). No need to make Firefox use the PPAPI plugin
via a wrapper when there is an updated NPAPI.

It should be easier to handle from a Debian POV as well. Possibly - for
license reasons - they can't mirror the adobe-flashplugin approach.
Debian may need to keep pepperflashplugin-nonfree to download the PPAPI
plugin (from Adobe), and they may need to have some other package
download the NPAPI plugin. However, the wrapper shouldn't be needed in
Debian either going forward.

As regards dependencies in Ubuntu, I don't think it's possible to let a
package in universe/multiverse recommend or depend on a package in
Canonical Partner, since the latter is not enabled by default.

I wish I could see a way to provide the users a smooth transition from
pepperflashplugin-nonfree/browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash to
adobe-flashplugin, but I can't.

@Chris: I took the liberty to subscribe you to this bug report, since
you maintain adobe-flashplugin.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

Last remarks about the wrapper: Stéphane:

> in Firefox when I use browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
> with adobe-flashplugin I see two different versions of the
> Flash plugin and I am not able to force the use of the PPAPI
> version
> 
> OK after some more trying it appears that Firefox cannot tell
> the NPAPI and PPAPI plugins apart when both are installed

This is because both look like NPAPI plugins to Firefox (which
incidentally does not support PPAPI plugins anyway): the PPAPI plugin
installed by adobe-flashplugin is wrapped as a NPAPI plugin by browser-
plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash. But you (and Firefox) can still tell the
difference from the version numbers.

As mentioned in my previous comment, I suggest using Andrei Alin's
version of browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash instead of the one in
the Ubuntu repository. It will set up the symlinks so that only the
wrapped PPAPI plugin is shown to Firefox, not the NPAPI plugin.

> some websites will start the NPAPI plugin and some other will
> run the PPAPI plugin

Are you sure about that? I've always thought only the higher-version
plugin was used by Firefox, so, the wrapped PPAPI plugin. I've never
seen Firefox start the lower-version plugin when running Flash content
on the web, but I'm not checking every time though.

> Disabling one of the plugins does not work either because the
> setting is applied to both plugins (this is visible after
> reloading the plugin setting menu).

Yes, this is irritating. Again, Andrei Alin's version.

> This makes browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash mostly useless
> and "solves" my both issues, I will just stick to adobe-flashplugin
> and remove browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash and
> pepperflashplugin-nonfree

I don't see how this solves anything, and if you do that, your Firefox
will use the deprecated 11.2 NPAPI Flash plugin, because you'll have
removed the PPAPI/NPAPI wrapper (browser-plugin-freshplayer-
pepperflash).

Now the 11.2 NPAPI plugin is still supported security-wise, so that may
be enough for your needs, while waiting for the updated new NPAPI plugin
to exit beta.

** Changed in: freshplayerplugin (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Invalid

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

Moving on to the browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash issues mentioned
in this thread: just like pepperflashplugin-nonfree (the PPAPI plugin),
browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash (the NPAPI/PPAPI wrapper) comes
from Debian and has no Ubuntu maintainer, only the MOTU guys who are
overworked already.

So any change that we would like to see made to it will only be made in
Debian, and with Debian in mind, and land in the development release of
Ubuntu, not in the already-released releases, unless a MOTU takes
specific action.

This is why, for instance, browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash will
keep recommending pepperflashplugin-nonfree, the sole packaged source of
PPAPI Flash plugin for Debian users, whereas we Ubuntu users would
rather see browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash recommend adobe-
flashplugin instead (Stéphane, comment 4).

The reproaches made in this thread against browser-plugin-freshplayer-
pepperflash have been documented in other bug reports (bug 1544409, bug
1633678). I'm therefore removing this package from the current bug
report, because it is about the PPAPI Flash plugin, not the PPAPI/NPAPI
wrapper.

Those reproaches are (Stéphane, Niklas):

* should recommend adobe-flashplugin instead of pepperflashplugin-
nonfree

* should install the wrapper as a higher-priority alternative to the
NPAPI plugin installed by adobe-flashplugin (/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
/flashplugin-alternative.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin ->
/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so) instead of as a separate
plugin (/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so -> /etc/alternatives
/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
/libfreshwrapper-flashplayer.so), so that only the wrapped PPAPI plugin
shows up in Firefox, not the NPAPI plugin too

It is worth mentioning here that Andrei Alin's version of browser-
plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash (>= 0.3.6-1), in
ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8, available for Trusty to Yakkety, takes these
reproaches into account and implement our requested changes, contrary to
Debian's version of browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash. Thanks
Andrei!

I suggest using Andrei Alin's version over Debian's version, not only
because it closely follows upstream versions, but also because it is
better tailored to Ubuntu users and adobe-flashplugin.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

Stéphane:

> Adobe only distributes the NPAPI Flash plugin for Linux
> on https://get.adobe.com/fr/flashplayer/; AFAIK the PPAPI
> plugin is only distributed via the Canonical partner repository

This used to be the case, but no longer: Adobe now finally distributes
the PPAPI Flash plugin for Linux, by itself, unbundled from Google
Chrome and the Canonical package:

https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions

I suppose we have to thank Google's decision of no longer shipping PPAPI
Flash with Chrome for that.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

First of all: pepperflashplugin-nonfree comes from Debian, as opposed to
adobe-flashplugin which is Ubuntu-specific, and the fact that it is
broken now that Google stops shipping the PPAPI Flash plugin with
Chrome, starting with v54 released a few days ago, has been reported to
the Debian maintainer Bart Martens:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833741
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=841373

To repair the package, he could use Adobe's website instead of Google
Chrome as the source for the PPAPI Flash plugin: as Gunnar mentionned
the PPAPI plugin is now officially available from Adobe:

https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions

Using this source would probably be simpler than the redirector.gvt1.com
link, or ripping libpepflashplayer.so from Canonical's adobe-flashplugin
package.

That said, if the Debian maintainer fixes the package, changes to it
will only land in the development release of Ubuntu, not in the already-
released releases, unless an Ubuntu universe/multiverse maintainer
manually updates it, which I wouldn't hold my breath for, given how few
they are for so many packages. So Trusty/Xenial/Yakkety users will
probably stay stuck with a broken pepperflashplugin-nonfree.

Anyway, Ubuntu users are no longer supposed to use this package, as
Gunnar mentionned, they should use Canonical's adobe-flashplugin instead
as their source for the PPAPI Flash plugin:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash

Gunnar's packaging of the updated beta NPAPI plugin is a new possibility
too (for Firefox users), thanks Gunnar.

In any case, and despite our wishes, pepperflashplugin-nonfree is
unlikely to disappear from Ubuntu, because it is Debian users' sole
(packaged) way of getting the PPAPI Flash plugin and because it has no
Ubuntu maintainer who could stop it from being imported from Debian at
each new Ubuntu development cycle.

** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #833741
   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833741

** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #841373
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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

Viktor: your issue with QtWebEngine not finding the PPAPI Flash plugin
is that it looks for it in the following three locations, if I
understand correctly from http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtwebengine-
features.html#pepper-flash-player-plugin-support:

/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so
/usr/lib/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so
/usr/lib64/chromium/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so

You could ask the QtWebEngine developers to add the following path to
the list, and dispense with the symlink:

/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libpepflashplayer.so

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

** Description changed:

pepperflashplugin-nonfree downloads the Chrome for Linux Debian package
(.deb) from Google and extracts the Flash PPAPI plugin (libpepflashplayer.so)
to make it available to other browsers system-wide.
pepperflashplugin-nonfree is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with
Chrome 54 for Linux.
pepperflashplugin-nonfree will probably need to look somewhere else online
for libpepflashplayer.so.

- A Chrome user reported the missing Flash plugin in Chrome 53 beta. A Chromium
developer answered that the Chrome browser is not bundled with the Flash plugin
anymore. It seems that a Flash plugin still exists for Chrome but the user must
now install it manually. Source:
+ A Chrome user reported the missing Flash plugin in Chrome 54 beta. A Chromium
developer answered that the Chrome browser is not bundled with the Flash plugin
anymore. It seems that a Flash plugin still exists for Chrome but the user must
now install it manually. Source:
https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=645687

Here you can see the relevant change in the build script; only ChromeOS gets
libpepflashplayer.so bundled with Chrome:

https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/366d572053dd85c8eeda802f423716d9b008fe01%5E%21/#F0

(side note: https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ offers
Windows and Mac versions but no ChromeOS version)

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-20 Thread Viktor Engelmann

ah, I didn't know that libpepflashplayer.so is included in adobe-
flashplugin. symlinking it works indeed - even in WebEngine programs.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-20 Thread Blaze

Basically you need to execute

sudo ln -s /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libpepflashplayer.so /usr/lib
/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so

to get everything working with QtWebEngine etc.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-19 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

On 2016-10-19 10:49, Viktor Engelmann wrote:
> You might be fine with using adobe flash, but the users of ANY Qt 
> WebEngine based program are not.

I think there is some kind of misconception here. The adobe-flashplugin
package installs both NPAPI and PPAPI plugins.

$ dpkg -L adobe-flashplugin | grep so$
/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
/usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libpepflashplayer.so

Symlinks make the various programs find the applicable library.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-19 Thread Stéphane

@Viktor:

Thanks for sharing your script. You must be aware that the link I
provided and that you are using points to a specific version of the
PPAPI Flash plugin (23.0.0.185). Flash plugins are very short lived; new
critical vulnerabilities will be discovered and the version 23.0.0.185
you use in your script will soon be outdated. I would recommend that
your script downloads the current version of the plugin from the
Canonical partner repository:
http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/.
The name of the file to download will change with every version but it
is manageable in a script whereas the URL used by Google Chrome cannot
be easily guessed.

Adobe only distributes the NPAPI Flash plugin for Linux on
https://get.adobe.com/fr/flashplayer/; AFAIK the PPAPI plugin is only
distributed via the Canonical partner repository. I doubt that it makes
sense for the package pepperflashplugin-nonfree to download another
package (in this case adobe-flashplugin) and extract its content. So
most probably the package pepperflashplugin-nonfree is dead.

What is your use case which requires specifically the package
pepperflashplugin-nonfree and won't work with adobe-flashplugin?

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-19 Thread Viktor Engelmann

Using Stéphanes analysis, I wrote this little script to install pepper
flash manually:

#!/bin/bash

TARGET=/usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/libpepflashplayer.so
wget 
http://redirector.gvt1.com/edgedl/release2/rpofl8ynzf9r05ca7iim67wdwf3t0zpuehwy3aswydc9g91q5c4iydolh9lt5toluyuq2phjg168mcvxxhntm3n79e4nw3mrx1j/23.0.0.185_linux_PepperFlashPlayer.crx
 -O PepperFlash.zip
sudo mkdir -p "$(dirname $TARGET)"
sudo unzip PepperFlash.zip libpepflashplayer.so -d "$(dirname $TARGET)"
rm PepperFlash.zip

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-19 Thread Viktor Engelmann

How can the priority still be "undecided" after a week, when the package
is 100% dysfunctional?

You might be fine with using adobe flash, but the users of ANY Qt
WebEngine based program are not.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-17 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker

Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: freshplayerplugin (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-14 Thread Niklas Holm

** Also affects: freshplayerplugin (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-14 Thread Niklas Holm

@Stéphane: You can block the plugin adobe-flashplugin installs to
Firefox by manually redirecting it to /dev/null

sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-
alternative.so mozilla-flashplugin /dev/null 100

that way browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash can do its thing in
peace.

A cleaner solution though would probably be for browser-plugin-
freshplayer-pepperflash to use the same link as adobe-flashplugin with a
higher priority to avoid this collision.

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Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: pepperflashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-12 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

@Stéphane: Yeah, my suggestion to "drop it somehow" implies that there
is a need for some considerations; for instance there is bug #1544409.
Ideally you would make pepperflashplugin-nonfree a dummy transitional
package which depends on adobe-flashplugin, but since the latter resides
in Canonical Partner, which is not enabled by default, it's probably not
that easy.

As regards Firefox (pepperflashplugin-nonfree has never been meant for
Firefox) Adobe will indeed provide an up-to-date version of the NPAPI
plugin soon. Currently I'm making a modified version of adobe-
flashplugin, with Flash Player 23 Beta, available in this PPA:

https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/adobe-flashplugin

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

By the way Adobe is working on the NPAPI Flash plugin for Linux again:
https://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2016/08/beta-news-flash-player-npapi-for-linux.html

This means Firefox users would be able to use again an up-to-date
version of Flash without workarounds.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

OK after some more trying it appears that Firefox cannot tell the NPAPI
and PPAPI plugins apart when both are installed, some websites will
start the NPAPI plugin and some other will run the PPAPI plugin.
Disabling one of the plugins does not work either because the setting is
applied to both plugins (this is visible after reloading the plugin
setting menu). This makes browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash mostly
useless and "solves" my both issues, I will just stick to adobe-
flashplugin and remove browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash and
pepperflashplugin-nonfree.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

Thanks for the hint. In my case two issues remain:
- browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash recommends on 
pepperflashplugin-nonfree 
http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash, this 
should be removed
- in Firefox when I use browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash with 
adobe-flashplugin I see two different versions of the Flash plugin and I am not 
able to force the use of the PPAPI version (disabling the NPAPI version is not 
sufficient)

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

2016-10-12 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson

It shouldn't be too difficult to get it directly from Adobe nowadays:

https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

But why bother? According to  the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package has been deprecated for
more than a year. Isn't this a suitable time to drop it somehow? It
makes little sense to keep maintaining both adobe-flashplugin and
pepperflashplugin-nonfree.

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

With Wireshark I found that Google Chrome 54 gets downloads Flash 23.0.0.185 
PPAPI for Linux from:
http://redirector.gvt1.com/edgedl/release2/rpofl8ynzf9r05ca7iim67wdwf3t0zpuehwy3aswydc9g91q5c4iydolh9lt5toluyuq2phjg168mcvxxhntm3n79e4nw3mrx1j/23.0.0.185_linux_PepperFlashPlayer.crx

CRX files are ZIP files with a special header and the .crx file extension:
https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/crx

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[Bug 1632870] Re: Package is broken since Google stopped shipping Flash with Chrome 54 for Linux

I installed Google Chrome 54 on Kubuntu 16.04. Chrome downloaded 
libpepflashplayer.so to:
/home/kubuntu/.config/google-chrome/PepperFlash/23.0.0.185/libpepflashplayer.so
It looks like Google Chrome downloads the Flash plugin at runtime.

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