[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-15 Thread Steve Langasek
Removing packages from artful:
mountall 2.54ubuntu1 in artful
mountall 2.54ubuntu1 in artful amd64
mountall 2.54ubuntu1 in artful arm64
mountall 2.54ubuntu1 in artful armhf
mountall 2.54ubuntu1 in artful i386
mountall 2.54ubuntu1 in artful ppc64el
mountall 2.54ubuntu1 in artful s390x
Comment: Unused, replaced by systemd; LP: #1649310
Remove [y|N]? y
1 package successfully removed.


** Also affects: mountall (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: mountall (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Fix Released

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Re: [Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Iain Lane
On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 08:02:57PM -, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 03:20:01PM -, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> > Notable things not listed:
> >  * oxide/webbrowser app, still in use for amazon "app"
> 
> What pulls in the amazon app?  I have heard that oxide is definitively not
> on the supported list for 17.10+.

Opened bug #1688395 to discuss this stack.

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Re: [Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 03:20:01PM -, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> Notable things not listed:
>  * oxide/webbrowser app, still in use for amazon "app"

What pulls in the amazon app?  I have heard that oxide is definitively not
on the supported list for 17.10+.

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Re: [Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 01:31:44PM -, Jamie Strandboge wrote:
> Can you add click-apparmor and apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu to your list if
> they aren't there already?

If you know of specific packages that you are the maintainer/upstream for
and should be removed, could you please just file bugs directly on these and
subscribe ubuntu-archive?

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
First take at removals for unity8 stack are here:
https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-seeds/unity8-removals/+merge/323615

This is incomplete, but I hope it does not have false removals listed.

Notable things not listed:
 * unity7 stack as we are still using that in artful
 * click - as it is seeded into multiple flavors

W.r.t. click, once the store goes offline, we will no longer support
clicks? or e.g. click is not going to be supported in artful?

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
Notable things not listed:
 * oxide/webbrowser app, still in use for amazon "app"

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Jamie Strandboge
"Once I have a list of things, I was planning to file individual bugs
with a tag repeal-act-2019 (or similar)"

Can you add click-apparmor and apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu to your list if
they aren't there already?

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Re: [Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Iain Lane
On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 10:50:21AM -, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
> On 4 May 2017 at 11:32, Will Cooke <1649...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> > Can/Should we deal with the U8 apps which are unsupported in this bug as
> > well?
> >
> 
> The list for those might be a bit too large to load and manipulate
> statuses effectively.
> I am preparing a great repeal list of u8 things. Because it includes
> android-touch, gles, and platform apis as well as the top-level apps.
> Once I have a list of things, I was planning to file individual bugs
> with a tag repeal-act-2019 (or similar), as we should be removing
> things in the right order to avoid proposed-migration seeing
> uninstallable things.

It would be a good idea to share this list before starting to act on it.

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Re: [Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
On 4 May 2017 at 11:32, Will Cooke <1649...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:
> Can/Should we deal with the U8 apps which are unsupported in this bug as
> well?
>

The list for those might be a bit too large to load and manipulate
statuses effectively.
I am preparing a great repeal list of u8 things. Because it includes
android-touch, gles, and platform apis as well as the top-level apps.
Once I have a list of things, I was planning to file individual bugs
with a tag repeal-act-2019 (or similar), as we should be removing
things in the right order to avoid proposed-migration seeing
uninstallable things.

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Will Cooke
Can/Should we deal with the U8 apps which are unsupported in this bug as
well?

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

2017-05-04 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
** Summary changed:

- RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd
+ RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd / Products discontinued

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
Removing packages from artful:
upstart 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful
libupstart-dev 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful amd64
libupstart-dev 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful arm64
libupstart-dev 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful armhf
libupstart-dev 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful i386
libupstart-dev 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful ppc64el
libupstart1 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful amd64
libupstart1 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful arm64
libupstart1 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful armhf
libupstart1 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful i386
libupstart1 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful ppc64el
upstart 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful amd64
upstart 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful arm64
upstart 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful armhf
upstart 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful i386
upstart 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful ppc64el
upstart-dconf-bridge 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful amd64
upstart-dconf-bridge 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful arm64
upstart-dconf-bridge 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful armhf
upstart-dconf-bridge 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful i386
upstart-dconf-bridge 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful ppc64el
upstart-monitor 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful amd64
upstart-monitor 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful arm64
upstart-monitor 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful armhf
upstart-monitor 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful i386
upstart-monitor 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful ppc64el
upstart-monitor 1.13.2-0ubuntu35 in artful s390x
Comment: Unused, replaced by systemd; LP: #1649310
1 package successfully removed.


** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
Removing packages from artful:
cgmanager 0.41-2 in artful
cgmanager 0.41-2 in artful amd64
cgmanager 0.41-2 in artful arm64
cgmanager 0.41-2 in artful armhf
cgmanager 0.41-2 in artful i386
cgmanager 0.41-2 in artful ppc64el
cgmanager 0.41-2 in artful s390x
cgmanager-tests 0.41-2 in artful amd64
cgmanager-tests 0.41-2 in artful arm64
cgmanager-tests 0.41-2 in artful armhf
cgmanager-tests 0.41-2 in artful i386
cgmanager-tests 0.41-2 in artful ppc64el
cgmanager-tests 0.41-2 in artful s390x
libcgmanager-dev 0.41-2 in artful amd64
libcgmanager-dev 0.41-2 in artful arm64
libcgmanager-dev 0.41-2 in artful armhf
libcgmanager-dev 0.41-2 in artful i386
libcgmanager-dev 0.41-2 in artful ppc64el
libcgmanager-dev 0.41-2 in artful s390x
libcgmanager0 0.41-2 in artful amd64
libcgmanager0 0.41-2 in artful arm64
libcgmanager0 0.41-2 in artful armhf
libcgmanager0 0.41-2 in artful i386
libcgmanager0 0.41-2 in artful ppc64el
libcgmanager0 0.41-2 in artful s390x
libpam-cgm 0.41-2 in artful amd64
libpam-cgm 0.41-2 in artful arm64
libpam-cgm 0.41-2 in artful armhf
libpam-cgm 0.41-2 in artful i386
libpam-cgm 0.41-2 in artful ppc64el
libpam-cgm 0.41-2 in artful s390x
Comment: Unused, replaced by systemd; LP: #1649310
1 package successfully removed.


** Changed in: cgmanager (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
Removing packages from artful:
lxc-android-config 0.230+17.04.20170216-0ubuntu1 in artful
lxc-android-config 0.230+17.04.20170216-0ubuntu1 in artful amd64
lxc-android-config 0.230+17.04.20170216-0ubuntu1 in artful arm64
lxc-android-config 0.230+17.04.20170216-0ubuntu1 in artful armhf
lxc-android-config 0.230+17.04.20170216-0ubuntu1 in artful i386
lxc-android-config 0.230+17.04.20170216-0ubuntu1 in artful 
ppc64el
lxc-android-config 0.230+17.04.20170216-0ubuntu1 in artful s390x
Comment: Discontinued product; LP: #1649310
1 package successfully removed.


** Changed in: lxc-android-config (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
Removing packages from artful:
upstart-watchdog 0.4 in artful
upstart-watchdog 0.4 in artful amd64
upstart-watchdog 0.4 in artful arm64
upstart-watchdog 0.4 in artful armhf
upstart-watchdog 0.4 in artful i386
upstart-watchdog 0.4 in artful ppc64el
upstart-watchdog 0.4 in artful s390x
Comment: Discontinued product; LP: #1649310
1 package successfully removed.


** Changed in: upstart-watchdog (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
Removing packages from artful:
ubuntu-touch-session 0.109+17.04.20170301-0ubuntu1 in artful
ubuntu-touch-session 0.109+17.04.20170301-0ubuntu1 in artful 
amd64
ubuntu-touch-session 0.109+17.04.20170301-0ubuntu1 in artful 
arm64
ubuntu-touch-session 0.109+17.04.20170301-0ubuntu1 in artful 
armhf
ubuntu-touch-session 0.109+17.04.20170301-0ubuntu1 in artful 
i386
ubuntu-touch-session 0.109+17.04.20170301-0ubuntu1 in artful 
ppc64el
ubuntu-touch-session 0.109+17.04.20170301-0ubuntu1 in artful 
s390x
Comment: Discontinued product; LP: #1649310
1 package successfully removed.


** Changed in: ubuntu-touch-session (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
Removing packages from artful:
unity8-desktop-session 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in artful
unity8-desktop-session 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful amd64
unity8-desktop-session 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful arm64
unity8-desktop-session 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful armhf
unity8-desktop-session 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful i386
unity8-desktop-session 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful ppc64el
unity8-desktop-session 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful s390x
unity8-desktop-session-mir 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful amd64
unity8-desktop-session-mir 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful arm64
unity8-desktop-session-mir 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful armhf
unity8-desktop-session-mir 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful i386
unity8-desktop-session-mir 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful ppc64el
unity8-desktop-session-mir 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in 
artful s390x
unity8-session-snap 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in artful 
amd64
unity8-session-snap 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in artful 
arm64
unity8-session-snap 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in artful 
armhf
unity8-session-snap 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in artful 
i386
unity8-session-snap 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in artful 
ppc64el
unity8-session-snap 1.0.13+17.04.20170328.1-0ubuntu1 in artful 
s390x
Comment: Discontinued product; LP: #1649310
Remove [y|N]? y
1 package successfully removed.


** Changed in: unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-05-03 Thread Steve Langasek
Removing packages from artful:
ubuntu-touch-meta 1.288 in artful
ubuntu-sdk-libs 1.288 in artful amd64
ubuntu-sdk-libs 1.288 in artful arm64
ubuntu-sdk-libs 1.288 in artful armhf
ubuntu-sdk-libs 1.288 in artful i386
ubuntu-touch 1.288 in artful amd64
ubuntu-touch 1.288 in artful arm64
ubuntu-touch 1.288 in artful armhf
ubuntu-touch 1.288 in artful i386
Comment: Discontinued product; LP: #1649310
Remove [y|N]? y
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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-28 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
src:unity dropping build-dep on src:upstart has now landed in artful.
All packages are ready for removal, and no new dependencies are present.
Barring any consultations with stakeholders, please remove affected
packages.

** Description changed:

  In 18.04 LTS src:upstart should not be part of Ubuntu.
  It has already been removed from Debian.
  And most products have migrated to systemd.
  This is a tracking bug to remove a collection of packages that need to go 
away together with upstart.
  
  Some of these have been ported to systemd under different names, or no
  longer at all required.
  
  = Removal order =
  
  * ubuntu-touch-meta
  * unity8-desktop-session
  
  * ubuntu-touch-session
  * upstart-watchdog
  * lxc-android-config
  
  * upstart
  
  * cgmanager
  
  = Reverse depends checks =
  
  $ reverse-depends -b src:upstart
  Reverse-Build-Depends
  =
  * tarantool (for upstart)
    ./debian/control: dh-systemd (>= 1.22) | sysvinit (<< 2.88dsf-59) | upstart 
(<< 1.13),
- * unity (for libupstart-dev)
-   https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity/no-more-upstart-dep/+merge/322283
-   https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730
  
  $ reverse-depends src:upstart
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch-session  (for upstart)
  * unity8-desktop-session(for upstart)
  * upstart-watchdog  (for upstart)
  
  $ reverse-depends src:ubuntu-touch-session
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch  (for ubuntu-touch-session)
  $ reverse-depends -b src:ubuntu-touch-session
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends upstart-watchdog
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch
  $ reverse-depends -b src:upstart-watchdog
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends src:ubuntu-touch-meta
  No reverse dependencies found
  $ reverse-depends -b src:ubuntu-touch-meta
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends src:unity8-desktop-session
  No reverse dependencies found
  $ reverse-depends -b src:unity8-desktop-session
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends src:cgmanager
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * lxc-android-config(for cgmanager)
  * numad (for cgmanager)
    ./debian/control:Depends: systemd-sysv | cgmanager
  * upstart [amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el]  (for libcgmanager0)
  
  $ reverse-depends -b src:cgmanager
  Reverse-Build-Depends
  =
  * upstart   (for libcgmanager-dev)
  
  $ reverse-depends src:lxc-android-config
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch  (for lxc-android-config)
  
  $ reverse-depends -b src:lxc-android-config
  No reverse dependencies found

** Changed in: lxc-android-config (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => High

** Changed in: cgmanager (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => High

** Changed in: cgmanager (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox) => (unassigned)

** Changed in: ubuntu-touch-session (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox) => (unassigned)

** Changed in: unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox) => (unassigned)

** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox) => (unassigned)

** Changed in: lxc-android-config (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None => ubuntu-17.05

** Changed in: cgmanager (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None => ubuntu-17.05

** Changed in: upstart (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-26 Thread Serge Hallyn
@bryanquigley - no.  i had opened one for networkmanager (or planned on
it, don't remember how far i got), but in the end to provide meaningful
details i'd have to *run* it.  Stop trying to get me to run it.  Thanks.

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-26 Thread Bryan Quigley
@serge-hallyn
That's what I was looking for - the reason you were staying on upstart.  Do you 
have a bug describing the power usage differences you've noted so it can be 
fixed?

@khurshid-alam
Even on a fresh install check out /etc/init/. There are plenty of upstart 
scripts/support still in place. FWICT, Since 16.04 all of them have been inert, 
except those for a desktop session.  But to your point, once upstart is removed 
we likely want to clear them all out.

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-26 Thread Khurshid Alam
It can be removed as systemd-sysv doesn't depend on upstart anymore.

Also I noticed lsb-base. Why is it still using upstart scripts?

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-25 Thread Serge Hallyn
@bryanquigley that's an odd non-sequitur.  I'm avoiding switching to
systemd (in part for power usage), and cgroupfs-mount is not the thing
being removed.

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-25 Thread Bryan Quigley
@serge-hallyn
>From what I can tell from https://github.com/tianon/cgroupfs-mount, this isn't 
>needed after you go to systemd.  Am I missing something?


Assuming their isn't a missing use case, I'm +1 on this removal. (and I note 
you already bumped them off the livecd/main)

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-25 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
** Changed in: upstart-watchdog (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Dimitri John Ledkov (xnox) => (unassigned)

** Changed in: cgmanager (Ubuntu)
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** Changed in: ubuntu-touch-meta (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-25 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
** Changed in: lxc-android-config (Ubuntu)
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** Changed in: cgmanager (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-25 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
** Description changed:

  In 18.04 LTS src:upstart should not be part of Ubuntu.
  It has already been removed from Debian.
  And most products have migrated to systemd.
  This is a tracking bug to remove a collection of packages that need to go 
away together with upstart.
  
  Some of these have been ported to systemd under different names, or no
  longer at all required.
  
  = Removal order =
  
  * ubuntu-touch-meta
  * unity8-desktop-session
  
  * ubuntu-touch-session
  * upstart-watchdog
  * lxc-android-config
  
  * upstart
  
  * cgmanager
  
  = Reverse depends checks =
  
  $ reverse-depends -b src:upstart
  Reverse-Build-Depends
  =
  * tarantool (for upstart)
    ./debian/control: dh-systemd (>= 1.22) | sysvinit (<< 2.88dsf-59) | upstart 
(<< 1.13),
  * unity (for libupstart-dev)
    https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity/no-more-upstart-dep/+merge/322283
    https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730
  
  $ reverse-depends src:upstart
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch-session  (for upstart)
  * unity8-desktop-session(for upstart)
  * upstart-watchdog  (for upstart)
  
  $ reverse-depends src:ubuntu-touch-session
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch  (for ubuntu-touch-session)
  $ reverse-depends -b src:ubuntu-touch-session
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends upstart-watchdog
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch
  $ reverse-depends -b src:upstart-watchdog
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends src:ubuntu-touch-meta
  No reverse dependencies found
  $ reverse-depends -b src:ubuntu-touch-meta
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends src:unity8-desktop-session
  No reverse dependencies found
  $ reverse-depends -b src:unity8-desktop-session
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends src:cgmanager
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * lxc-android-config(for cgmanager)
  * numad (for cgmanager)
    ./debian/control:Depends: systemd-sysv | cgmanager
  * upstart [amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el]  (for libcgmanager0)
  
  $ reverse-depends -b src:cgmanager
  Reverse-Build-Depends
  =
- * ubuntu-app-launch (for libcgmanager-dev)
-   
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-app-launch/0.12+17.04.20170404.2-0ubuntu3
  * upstart   (for libcgmanager-dev)
  
  $ reverse-depends src:lxc-android-config
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch  (for lxc-android-config)
  
  $ reverse-depends -b src:lxc-android-config
  No reverse dependencies found

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-25 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
** Description changed:

  In 18.04 LTS src:upstart should not be part of Ubuntu.
  It has already been removed from Debian.
  And most products have migrated to systemd.
  This is a tracking bug to remove a collection of packages that need to go 
away together with upstart.
  
  Some of these have been ported to systemd under different names, or no
  longer at all required.
  
  = Removal order =
  
  * ubuntu-touch-meta
  * unity8-desktop-session
  
  * ubuntu-touch-session
  * upstart-watchdog
  * lxc-android-config
  
  * upstart
  
  * cgmanager
  
  = Reverse depends checks =
  
  $ reverse-depends -b src:upstart
  Reverse-Build-Depends
  =
- * autopilot (for upstart)
-   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopilot/1.6.0+17.04.20170313-0ubuntu3
  * tarantool (for upstart)
    ./debian/control: dh-systemd (>= 1.22) | sysvinit (<< 2.88dsf-59) | upstart 
(<< 1.13),
- * ubuntuone-credentials (for upstart)
-   
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-credentials/15.11+17.04.20161107ubuntu1
  * unity (for libupstart-dev)
    https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/unity/no-more-upstart-dep/+merge/322283
    https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2730
  
  $ reverse-depends src:upstart
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch-session  (for upstart)
- * ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot [amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el]  (for upstart)
-   
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/1.3.2190+17.04.20170327ubuntu1
  * unity8-desktop-session(for upstart)
  * upstart-watchdog  (for upstart)
  
  $ reverse-depends src:ubuntu-touch-session
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch  (for ubuntu-touch-session)
  $ reverse-depends -b src:ubuntu-touch-session
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends upstart-watchdog
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch
  $ reverse-depends -b src:upstart-watchdog
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends src:ubuntu-touch-meta
  No reverse dependencies found
  $ reverse-depends -b src:ubuntu-touch-meta
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends src:unity8-desktop-session
  No reverse dependencies found
  $ reverse-depends -b src:unity8-desktop-session
  No reverse dependencies found
  
  $ reverse-depends src:cgmanager
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * lxc-android-config(for cgmanager)
  * numad (for cgmanager)
    ./debian/control:Depends: systemd-sysv | cgmanager
- * ubuntu-core-libs  (for libcgmanager0)
-   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-core-meta/0.6.17
  * upstart [amd64 arm64 armhf i386 ppc64el]  (for libcgmanager0)
  
  $ reverse-depends -b src:cgmanager
  Reverse-Build-Depends
  =
- * qtmir (for libcgmanager-dev)
-   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmir/0.5.1+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu3
- * qtmir-gles(for libcgmanager-dev)
-   
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmir-gles/0.5.1+17.04.20170404-0ubuntu3
  * ubuntu-app-launch (for libcgmanager-dev)
    
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-app-launch/0.12+17.04.20170404.2-0ubuntu3
  * upstart   (for libcgmanager-dev)
  
  $ reverse-depends src:lxc-android-config
  Reverse-Depends
  ===
  * ubuntu-touch  (for lxc-android-config)
  
  $ reverse-depends -b src:lxc-android-config
  No reverse dependencies found

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-24 Thread Serge Hallyn
I don't expect upstart to be supported, but it would be nice to keep it
in universe.

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-24 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
I hope you are not using intermediate releases; and xenial with
supported upstart in main, will be fully supported until 2021 + ESM

At that point you will be free to e.g. use 22.04 LTS with e.g. self-
compiled upstart, no?

Removing upstart from artful, means that we will only support upstart as
is in xenial, upto xenial EOL and EOE.

No we do not plan to support upstart as upstream, or in Ubuntu any more.

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[Bug 1649310] Re: RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

2017-04-24 Thread Steve Langasek
** Summary changed:

- RM Upstart, obsolete, superseeded by systemd
+ RM Upstart, obsolete, superseded by systemd

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