[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2013-05-16 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
This bug was fixed in Ubuntu 11.04 with the introduction of the Control
Center, later renamed System Settings. All cross-application and out-of-
application settings are now accessed from, and in most cases changed
inside, the System Settings window. There are no longer awkward separate
Preferences and Administration menus.

** Changed in: ubuntu
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

** Changed in: ubuntu
 Assignee: Oumar Aziz OUATTARA (wattazoum) => (unassigned)

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2010-05-11 Thread papukaija
Looking at the attachments in this bug report, I noticed that an
attachment was not flagged as a patch. A patch contains changes to an
Ubuntu package that will resolve a bug and this attachment is one!
Subsequently, I've checked the patch flag for it. In the future when
submitting patches please use the patch checkbox as there are some
Launchpad searches that use this feature. You can learn more about the
patch workflow at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Patches.

** Tags added: patch

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2010-01-21 Thread Vish
Thank you for bringing this bug to our attention. However, a paper cut
should be a small usability issue, in the default Ubuntu install, that
affects many people and is quick and easy to fix. So this bug can't be
addressed as part of this project.

- The changes required in this bug are too large to be considered a papercut
For further information about papercuts criteria, please read 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut.

Don't worry though, this bug has been marked as "Invalid" only in the
papercuts project.

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2009-12-17 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
** Also affects: hundredpapercuts
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Tags added: usability

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-11-15 Thread Dylan McCall
The issue of menu organization is almost a "wont-fix because we think it
makes sense" kind of issue. I can accept that -- almost.

However, something recently dawned on me! Our System menu is organized
by implementation, even though the GNOME human interface guidelines
(with which I dearly hope Ubuntu intends to abide) clearly say not to do
that. It may make sense in its own right, but this is unintuitive as a
component of this desktop environment.

It should not be the user's concern whether installing a printer is
system-wide or specific to his user account. Further, it is impossible
to guess such things off hand, so the system is not intuitive. To find
"Install a printer" the user needs to hunt through all of System
Preferences, then all of System Administration because it is not
initially known -- and it should not need to be known ahead of time --
whether the printer is installed for everyone, and further that such an
act is unique in some way.

Thanks to the new PolicyKit stuff giving us more functional config
tools, even that organization by implementation has stopped making being
organized. For example, NetworkManager's Network Configuration (in
Preferences) can now be applied system wide.

In short, I agree with the notion that this menu needs an immediate
overhaul, particularly with more configuration reorganization coming in
the next GNOME release. Fedora's menu organization is a good example to
go by, although I believe even it still has the Preferences /
Administration thing. One thing they have done which is of use is moving
inspection tools (such as Network Tools and System Monitor) away from
the settings, into System Tools.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-05-19 Thread Milan
This bug is not very clear. The fact that we have sometimes two tools to
manage settings about the same issue (printing, users...) is known and
will be slowly fixed using PolicyKit. This is mainly an upstream
problem.

But the second part of this bug is IMHO wrong and has to be discussed:
> I think that generally, the names of the launchers under "Preferences" should 
> emphasize the words "Set" and
> "Modify" whereas the names of launchers under "Administration" should 
> emphasize the words "Manage",
> "System", "Global", and things like that.
This won't be done because making the labels longer in the submenu is bad: it's 
redundant to repeat for each item "Set", "Modify", and does not really help. 
And this would require many patches to each package, making us diverge from 
upstream. Else, the "Preferences" or "Administration" menus should be clear 
enough so that you know what every child in them is about. Or we can simply use 
a single menu, but this is a long-term approach.

So I guess you should make this bug clearer: there are two very vague
issues here, which is not a good idea to get a bug fixed. Anyway this
would require discussion, and leaved as-it-is, this bug will never get
attention nor work. Or just close it.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-05-19 Thread Pedro Villavicencio
** Changed in: gnome-main-menu
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-15 Thread Przemysław Kulczycki
Some menu changes have been briefly discussed at 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReducingDuplication
Check this out.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-14 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
Discussion is on going on the ubuntu-devel mailing list .

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-
discuss/2008-March/003575.html

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-14 Thread Siegfried Gevatter (RainCT)
The proposed changed seem redundant to me (by the way, the
set/manage/configure/etc. words are already in the menu entries'
comments). IMHO, this will just make it more difficult to find stuff in
the menu (more text), would deprecate tons of documentation and doesn't
make any sense at all.

If there's some confusion in this area then what should be done is
better educating the users about it (about changing the categories to
"User Preferences" & "System Administration", that doesn't sound bad at
all, but in some languages using that will make the menu look awful, as
the translations can be long).

(Note: I'm speaking for myself and in no way representing the opinion of
Ubuntu's development team.)

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-14 Thread Siegfried Gevatter (RainCT)
** Changed in: ubuntu
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-13 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
@john : the easier way to test is to use my PPA 
https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/add-applications/C/extra-repositories-adding.html 
. 
By the way it's on hardy , I didn't make those changes for gutsy. So you need 
to have hardy installed ( or to use a Virtual Machine - on VMware for instance) 
To rollback, you'll just have to do it in Synaptic and select the official 
version .

Thanks for your help in testing

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-13 Thread John Karahalis
I think that it would be best to remove "Software Sources" because that
application can be easily reached from Synaptic. Most of the people who
use "Software Sources" probably already use Synaptic, so it is a bit
redundant.

But if "Software Sources" has to stay, I would agree that a submenu
would be the way to go. After all, there is an "Accessibility" submenu
even though there are only two launchers of that type. It seems that
having 3 or more similar items would certainly warrant a submenu.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-13 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
Just an idea that I had. Please tell me if it's valid and worth the
effort :

Currently we have 3 entries (by default) in the System > Administration menu 
for "Software management" (Synaptic, Update Manager, Software source) . I 
suppose others would have also "Adept" there. So maybe a submenu is needed for 
software.
If we follow the same logic, some other submenu might be needed (like "Network 
Management")

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-13 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
 * Rename menu items: Remote Desktop => Remote Access Rights

** Attachment added: "vino.patch"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12654224/vino.patch

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-13 Thread John Karahalis
Thanks for really getting involved with resolving this issue.

How would I go about applying your patch, and how could I revert the
changes should I need to? Thanks alot.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-13 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
  * Rename menu items in System > Administration
  * Network => Manage Network
  * Services => System Startup Services
  * Shared Folders => System Shared Folders
  * Time and Date => System Time and Date
  * Users and Groups => Manage Users and Groups


** Attachment added: "gnome-system-tools.patch"
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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-13 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
Packages available to test on my PPA. 
https://edge.launchpad.net/~wattazoum/+archive

Please give me some feedbacks so that I can decide whether I do this
change or not.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-13 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA

** Attachment added: "patch for the comment 6 change (gnome-menus)"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12648123/gnome-menus.patch

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-12 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
Well , actually I tried to add vino but with no success. So please just
mention in a comment the package that needs to be patch.

Affects : vino

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-12 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
Here is the list of desktop files that might be impacted  :
- Under System -> Administration :

~$ grep -e 'Categories=.*System' -r /usr/share/applications/* | grep "Settings"
/usr/share/applications/displayconfig-gtk.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;HardwareSettings;System;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-keyring-manager.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;System;Utility;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-nettool.desktop:Categories=System;Settings;GNOME;GTK;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-power-preferences.desktop:Categories=Settings;X-GNOME-SystemSettings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-system-log.desktop:Categories=GTK;GNOME;System;Settings
/usr/share/applications/gnome-system-monitor.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;System;Settings;Monitor;
/usr/share/applications/gparted.desktop:Categories=GNOME;System;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/language-selector.desktop:Categories=Application;System;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/network.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;System;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/redhat-system-config-printer.desktop:Categories=GTK;Printing;HardwareSettings;Settings;System;X-Red-Hat-Base;
/usr/share/applications/restricted-manager.desktop:Categories=RestrictedManager;GTK;System;Settings
/usr/share/applications/services.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;System;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/shares.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;System;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/software-properties.desktop:Categories=Application;System;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop:Categories=PackageManager;Applications;GTK;System;Settings
/usr/share/applications/time.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;System;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/update-manager.desktop:Categories=Application;System;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/users.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;System;Settings;

- Under System -> Preferences :

~$ grep -e 'Categories=.*Settings' -r /usr/share/applications/* | grep -v 
"System" | grep -v "Accessibility"
/usr/share/applications/alacarte.desktop:Categories=GNOME;Settings;DesktopSettings;
/usr/share/applications/bluetooth-properties.desktop:Categories=Settings;
/usr/share/applications/ccsm.desktop:Categories=Compiz;Settings;DesktopSettings;
/usr/share/applications/cddb-slave.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/default-applications.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;X-GNOME-PersonalSettings;
/usr/share/applications/display-properties.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;HardwareSettings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-about-me.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;X-GNOME-PersonalSettings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-appearance-properties.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;DesktopSettings;
/usr/share/applications/gnomecc.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-network-preferences.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;X-GNOME-NetworkSettings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-screensaver-preferences.desktop:Categories=Settings;DesktopSettings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-settings-mouse.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;HardwareSettings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-settings-sound.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;HardwareSettings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-volume-control.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;AudioVideo;Settings;HardwareSettings;
/usr/share/applications/gnome-volume-properties.desktop:Categories=Application;Settings;GNOME;
/usr/share/applications/gpilotd-control-applet.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Application;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/gstreamer-properties.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;HardwareSettings;
/usr/share/applications/hal-device-manager.desktop:Categories=GNOME;Settings;HardwareSettings;
/usr/share/applications/keybinding.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;X-GNOME-PersonalSettings;
/usr/share/applications/keyboard.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;HardwareSettings;
/usr/share/applications/nautilus-file-management-properties.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;X-GNOME-PersonalSettings;
/usr/share/applications/redhat-my-default-printer.desktop:Categories=GTK;HardwareSettings;Settings;X-Red-Hat-Base;
/usr/share/applications/scim-setup.desktop:Categories=Applications;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/seahorse-pgp-preferences.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;
/usr/share/applications/session-properties.desktop:Categories=Settings;X-GNOME-PersonalSettings;
/usr/share/applications/tracker-preferences.desktop:Categories=Settings;
/usr/share/applications/tsclient.desktop:Categories=GTK;GNOME;X-GNOME-NetworkSettings;Network;
/usr/share/applications/vino-preferences.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;X-GNOME-NetworkSettings;
/usr/share/applications/window-properties.desktop:Categories=GNOME;GTK;Settings;DesktopSettings;

Is there a subset of those entries that we can prioritize ?

I would also love some help from anyone, to determine the packages from which  
those files come from .
You can get it using a command like this one :
~$ dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/vino-preferences.des

[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-12 Thread John Karahalis
** Summary changed:

- Launchers under "System => Preferences" and "System => Administration" have 
similar names, leads to confusion.
+ Launchers under "System > Preferences" and "System > Administration" have 
similar names, leads to confusion.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System => Preferences" and "System => Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-10 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
Hello,

This problem is indeed a naming issue but it's also due to a lack of
communication. Even if we rename the menu entries, there will be some
users not knowing (guessing?) where to go to do things. After some
explanation one thinks it's logic to have those 2 entries, but if there
is no help, documentation, screencasts, there is chances that one
doesn't understand it. This is another problem though .

Concerning this bug, I propose doing as the initial logger suggested and also 
rename :
- System -> Preferences ==> System -> User Preferences
- System -> Administration ==> System -> System Administration

Problem is this bug need to be solved by patching every packages that
has entries in those menus (unless there is another way to do it). And a
wiki page needs to be written with this specification and there should
be a lot of communication on this so that every developers knows about
those specification.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System => Preferences" and "System => Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-10 Thread Piotr Zaryk
** Also affects: gnome-main-menu
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System => Preferences" and "System => Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-10 Thread John Karahalis
I'd be more than willing to help you out with this one if would like
some help. I don't know the technical aspects of GNOME or anything like
that, but I am ridiculously organized. If you need help cleaning up the
names, descriptions, and overall organization of everything I would
definitely be able to contribute to that.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System => Preferences" and "System => Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-10 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
I'll try to manage this one. I am not very used to managing Gnome
Desktop preferences and settings  so any mentoring is welcome :-) .

Best regards

** Changed in: ubuntu
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Oumar Aziz OUATTARA (wattazoum)

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System => Preferences" and "System => Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-10 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
There is a hot discussion on this topic on Brainstorm.

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/80/

According to the number of positive vote on this idea . I think this bug
should be taken care off.

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System => Preferences" and "System => Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2008-03-09 Thread Mantas Kriaučiūnas
** Also affects: baltix
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System => Preferences" and "System => Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2007-12-10 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
Hi,

I have subscribed Desktop Team and Desktop bugs team to this bug . The
resolution process will be, for each item in System Preference and
System Administration, to define the new Name to use.

1 solution would be to change the name of the application that reside
there. Easiest way but difficultly maintainable as every developer that
intends it's application to have an item in thos menu will have to take
care of following the naming convention. So we need to communicate on
this.

Best regards
wattazoum

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[Bug 174277] Re: Launchers under "System => Preferences" and "System => Administration" have similar names, leads to confusion.

2007-12-10 Thread Oumar Aziz OUATTARA
Hello,

I totally agree with this naming convention you are proposing.
I also think the menu items seem redundant . 

Thanks for opening this bug.

** Changed in: ubuntu
   Status: New => Confirmed

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