[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2012-02-21 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
This is already covered in NetworkManager, there's now a way to
enable/disable privacy extensions locally; but there was an error in
setting it up as enabled by default (I forgot to set it to TRUE when I
included the upstream patch, which defaults it to FALSE).

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2012-02-21 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
FWIW; this was in patch debian/patches/manage-privacy-extensions.patch;
but the default value for the enable-ip6-privacy property needs to be
TRUE rather than FALSE.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2012-02-21 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package network-manager -
0.9.2.0+git201202161854.8572ecf-0ubuntu4

---
network-manager (0.9.2.0+git201202161854.8572ecf-0ubuntu4) precise; urgency=low

  [ Gabor Kelemen ]
  * debian/network-manager.upstart: Make NM aware of the locale. (LP: #875017)

  [ Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre ]
  * debian/patches/lp936712_dnsmasq_ip6_ns_ordering.patch: order IPv6
nameservers before IPv4 ones in dnsmasq config: dnsmasq is able to properly
deal with broken IPv6 nameservers (or routers). (LP: #936712)
  * debian/control: add Conflicts: connman to network-manager. (LP: #659460)
  * debian/patches/manage-privacy-extensions.patch: set the default for using
IPv6 Privacy extensions to TRUE; this is just correcting an oversight from
adapting the upstream patch. (LP: #176125)
 -- Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@ubuntu.com   Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:40:35 
-0500

** Changed in: network-manager (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-12-05 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package procps - 1:3.2.8-11ubuntu5

---
procps (1:3.2.8-11ubuntu5) precise; urgency=low

  * debian/sysctl.d/10-ipv6-privacy.conf: add a file to sysctl.d to apply the
defaults for IPv6 privacy extensions for interfaces. (LP: #176125, #841353)
 -- Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre mathieu...@ubuntu.com   Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:46:24 
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** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/procps

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-12-05 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
ew59, please don't assign yourself to bugs unless you plan on directly
working on them ;)

The above upload of procps comes after rather complete and extensive
discussion at UDS Precise (and from the output of the same discussion at
the previous UDS); there's a clear and definite benefit in enabling
privacy extensions, which is what this upload does.

The next step is to also provide the necessary magic in NetworkManager
to allow turning it on or off on a per-interface basis; which is
something that ought to be done for Precise (it goes with the procps
upload, and is a workitem for precise); so I'm going to target it to
precise alpha-2 in hope we can get it in ASAP.

** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: ew59 (w-ewert) = (unassigned)

** Changed in: network-manager (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None = precise-alpha-2

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-12-01 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~mathieu-tl/ubuntu/precise/procps/ipv6-privext

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-11-06 Thread ew59
** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-11-05 Thread Allo
@Michael Heimann
yeah, the idea IS to have a workaround for ssh, and only for it (or some other 
server-software).

with tempaddr = 2 you have a dynamic and a static ip, and softwares are
using the dynamic by default, if not configured otherwise.

You can surf (more) anonymously, but your ssh-session uses the static
ip, so the session does not die when the tempaddr is discarded. It
should be a user decision to use the static ip, the default should be
safe for the average user, which means that he's not exposed by a static
ip.

Server software will bind to all intefaces by default, so a http or ssh
server will be reachable on the dynamic address (mostly useless for you)
and the static address (useful). Client software which needs long
sessions often can be configured to use a specific from-ip, as i showed
you the manual for the ssh-client.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-11-04 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
** Changed in: network-manager (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-10-30 Thread utnubu(k)
I believe it would be great to have this feature in the upcoming LTS
release, as the problem affects more and more users in the future,
especially with the 5 year support cycle. I think it's not a big deal
for admins to disable it, while most plain users aren't aware of the
problem nor have the knowledge to change the setting according to their
needs, which is privacy and security. There should be at least a simple
gui checkbox to let the user choose which state he wants.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-10-30 Thread Mossroy
I also consider this as a serious privacy issue : in my opinion, IPv6 privacy 
should be enabled by default, while letting the user/admin disable it if 
necessary.
In any case, I agree that the upcoming LTS version is the right moment to make 
a decision on that issue

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-10-25 Thread tom
So how we deal with this situation in the future? Do we respect privacy
anymore or not? Microsoft seams to be more trustworthy than Linux
nowadays ... What's the problem with this issue?

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-09-02 Thread UnrealMiniMe
I think the Ubuntu installer should come with a checkbox option:
[ ] Leave me naked on the Internet and STAB ME IN THE BACK.

Regardless of whether it's checked or unchecked by default, I have a
feeling most people aren't going to want that.

Right now, I'm typing on an operating system where Samba defaults to
settings that basically amount to, Don't let anything work unless the
user manually edits a configuration file, which is presumably for the
sake of security (unless it's for the sake of deliberately hassling
users).  If security is prioritized over functionality, the same should
go for privacy...yet this same operating system freely gives my MAC
address to anyone I bump into with IPv6, because it's more
functional...and get this:  It's not even more functional for ME, but
for hypothetical system/network admins who aren't even using my
computer.  You have to be kidding me.

I cannot BELIEVE the attitude of system admins on this board.  Oh no,
this will make forensics so much harder...  Yes, that is the point.
(It's ironic that these comments are positioned so closely to comments
saying that the privacy extensions don't effectively protect privacy.
Obviously, they do so enough to make forensics a pain in the butt, so
they're accomplishing something good at least.)  It'd be okay if just a
few rogue users used privacy extensions, but when it's set to default
and everybody does it...  Yes, that is once again the whole point.  To
the extent that it affects me as an end user, forensics = tracking,
and it's not something I particularly appreciate.

This may come as a surprise, but end users are not in the business of
serving system admins who want to track them and/or snitch on them when
some copyright mafia comes knocking.  An end user's operating system
should exclusively serve the end user, not others who may have
conflicting interests.  Writing software that obeys and serves the user
[as opposed to potentially adversarial third parties] is such a
cornerstone of free and open source software that the correct course of
action here should be a no-brainer.  Anything else is a betrayal.

Did I mention copyright mafias?  Let's take that up a notch and consider
the ramifications of default ass hanging in the wind policies in
totalitarian countries without free speech.  A
journalist/whistleblower/political dissident or such can use encryption,
a VPN, etc. all she wants, but her IPv6 address may be the one weak link
that ultimately ties all of her activity together and betrays her to the
people who want nothing more than to identify, torture, and kill her.
There is simply no excuse for leaving an obscure hole like this open by
default, especially considering that most people are completely unaware
of it.

Are there lots of other ways for people to track you?  Sure.  Browser
fingerprints are a problem, and that problem should be dealt with...but
there are in fact solutions that are being increasingly adopted, and
this problem is restricted to web browsers anyway.  The existence of
such a problem does not justify saying, Well, let's just give up on
user privacy and broadcast our friggin' MAC addresses to everyone we
bump into, so we can be persistently tracked across any and all
protocols and applications using IPv6.  There are certainly a lot of
bases to cover when it comes to privacy, but sensible defaults go a long
way toward plugging the holes.

Now, if you're a system admin in an actual enterprise environment where
you legitimately have control over a large number of end user PC's (e.g.
employee PC's), then changing the default IPv6 settings should not be an
issue for you...because, after all, you're the one who installed the OS
on all of these computers in the first place, right?  Each one can be
updated with the same modified config file, and this is made even easier
if they're set up as preconfigured virtual machines.  Now, if you're
just a network admin who has no legal or moral right over end users'
computers, it's simply not their job to appease you.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-06-17 Thread Erik B. Andersen
We need to be encouraging the adoption of IPv6, not disabling it. And
how would it make it possible to count the number of Linux users?

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-06-15 Thread tom
Please, disable IPv6 by default and warn the user of the security
issues, if he wants to enable IPv6. To have an open door by default is
not the best idea IMHO.

Otherwise it has an advantage: We'll be able to easily count the amount
of Linux users in the world in the future ;)

PS: Why is this bug only on the wishlist? It's a security bug.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-05-08 Thread Allo
@Michael Heimann 
if you're using a software which needs long tcp-sessions, you have to either ...
... use the non-PE address, as its stays valid forever (or as long as your 
prefix is valid)
... or increase the time the temp-addr is valid
... or deal with the connection-loss from time to time

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-05-02 Thread Erik B. Andersen
There's a bug for NM not having an IPv6 privacy extension option, see
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633233 (Not that it looks
like much is happening.)

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #633233
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=633233

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-05-01 Thread Michael Heimann
@Allo: This whould be a workaround that disables privacy extensions for
one software only instead of deactivating it completly. The bug is with
the privacy extensions and not with ssh. Actually all other software
clients would also suffer under the bug.

@all:
I really can't understand why this is so low priority. This is important, 
easily reproducable and needs to be fixed as it affects a lot of people. And by 
the way, windows does it right. Don't let them teach us how to do it right ;)

Regards,
Michael

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-04-30 Thread Allo
you nee to use the permanent address as source-address for ssh

man ssh_config

   BindAddress
  Use the specified address on the local machine as the source 
address of the connection.   Only  useful  on
  systems  with  more  than one address.  Note that this option 
does not work if UsePrivilegedPort is set to
  ``yes''.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-04-12 Thread Michael Heimann
Hi, one thing:

net.ipv6.conf.default.use_tempaddr = 2 breaks TCP sessions.

I've been using IPv6 for some time now with this turned on and nearly
all worked BUT: ssh sessions hung after some time. I first expected some
sort of ssh bug since everything else worked but I wiresharked it and
the issue is that privacy extensions rob the active IPv6 and assign a
new one which breaks the TCP connection, of course.

This can also be found here:

http://osdir.com/ml/linux.ipv6.usagi.users/2006-09/msg00042.html

The report is from kernel 2.6.17 and still valid as I'm currently
running

2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

could'nt find a bug report regarding that but will search further or
create one.

Regards,
Michael Heimann

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-02-21 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
I certainly won't have time to implement setting these settings in the
UI for NM for natty, so I'm removing the bug assignment.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-02-13 Thread Allo
please add it for ubuntu 11.04. I really want to enable ipv6 for the network, 
but there will always be machines where privacy-extensions are forgotten, so 
its a good default to set them to on by default.
the 2 option adds an unique address as well, so it should not be a problem, 
only the default ip is anonymous, the secondary is MAC-based.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-27 Thread Malte S. Stretz
I currently only administer a bunch of small/medium networks (up to 50
machines) and frankly I currently reject/disable any IPv6 on those
networks (makes my life easier since I don't have the time to check if
all devices have proper IPv6 security). But from experiences at previous
jobs I pretend to have at least some experience with large(r) networks
:)

Anyway, as I see it you've got some classes of problems and at neither I
see that disabled Privacy Extensions help much security/logging wise:

* First of all, you've probably got some Windows machines and for those
you've got to find a way to ensure that PE are disabled anyway. Any
device accessible by these machines has to be protected in a PE-
sensitive way.

* Second, as it was pointed out in comment 40, you let students and
colleagues with their own machines into your network. You can't enforce
anything on those machines and have to shield them from the rest of the
network with a (hopefully properly IPv6 capable) firewall anyway.

* The same is true for machines run by other departments. You can't
really control what they are doing on their internal networks, if they
use PE or not, use DHCP or even static addresses. Only their access to
somewhere else and you should have some proper firewalls betweens these
networks.

* You talk about oldish devices on your net. Many of these probably do
not even support IPv6 properly (plus, *if* they do not require a user
login *and* support the logging you require); even if they do and they
are that sensitive, put a firewall in front of them (will probably cost
less than 10% those machines are/were worth).

That said, if you let people with their own (malicious) machines into
your network, relying on security/compliance by logging IP addresses
(even MAC addresses FWIW) they can chose as they like, is a folly.
Security based on IP addresses was a bad idea with IPv4 and still is
with IPv6.

That's why I don't think this whole enterprise argument is valid, no
matter how big your networks are (well, except for some funny
enterprisey parts of ISO27001).

Anyway, I guess best idea would be if some (recognised) IPv6 expert
spoke up on this topic.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-27 Thread Derek Morr
I guess best idea would be if some (recognised) IPv6 expert spoke up on
this topic.

Well, Ron Broersma did chime in :)

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-27 Thread Malte S. Stretz
I must admit that I hadn't heard Ron's name before but Google tells me
that he definitely has some experiences with IPv6 on large scale
enterprise networks :)

He's got more or less the same arguments you have and I'm still not
entirely convinced (the RFC says so is also not a good reasoning)
since I still think in enterprise networks you've got the advantage of
some control over your clients and can disable PE globally (just create
a file /etc/sysctl.d/99-no-pe.conf) or block PE enabled systems. OTOH
does the average home user know nothing about PE and how to enable them.
(Well, not that the average home users uses Ubuntu but thats a different
problem.) So I still think the advantage of not being easily trackable
on a global scale per default outweights enterprise needs to track
people locally. But until somebody else with better arguments than me
speaks up, I'll shut up :)

I guess what really would settle this issue once and for all would be
another flag in the RA to disable PE (cf. RFC 5175).

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-26 Thread pklaus
 Even if it is off by default on every operating system, some users are
 invariable going to enable it, and you need to deal with them anyway.

This is exactly the point!

Ron, Derek, I can understand your headache with the privacy extensions
in your scenarios. But you problems are not solved by the answer of
whether to set the default to on or off.

I simply cannot and do not want to understand why one would give out his
/ her MAC address on the largest public network - the internet. It tells
everyone if you are browsing via WiFi or Ethernet, others can track you
as a person, know when you changed your network interface and with some
devices (where you can't change the network interface) know what device
you are using. That's simply bad and so the privacy extensions should be
enabled by default.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-26 Thread Derek Morr
I frankly couldn't care less if someone knows my MAC address. The MAC
address of the laptop I'm typing on right now is  00:1e:c2:c0:52:e3.
What does that get you? Not much.

If you're concerned about being tracked across the Internet, your IP
address is probably the least of your concerns. Have you read the
articles about browser fingerprinting? Even if you disable cookies and
don't install Flash, you can still be identified pretty well. I find
that much more concerning that someone knowing if I'm on Wifi or wired
Ethernet, and the manufacturer of my NIC. Privacy addresses provide no
protection against tracking cookies or other spyware.

Privacy addresses don't deliver much security (or privacy, frankly), and
they make life much harder for enterprise admins. There's a significant
difference between chasing down a few power users who enable privacy
addresses -vs- having to reconfigure every machine (often manually).

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-26 Thread Malte S. Stretz
I don't buy the enterprise argument flowing through this discussion:

* What kind of enterprise network are you running where you don't
control the clients and can't disable privacy extensions?

* If you want to make sure nobody uses privacy extensions on your net,
just reject all outgoing connections which do not have the global bit
set on your perimeter firewall. Then people will call tech support and
you can explain to them that/how they have to disable this feature.

* It is true that enabled privacy extensions make logging harder. But if
you're letting people into your network who have sufficient permissions
to change their network config, they can just configure a static IP
address so you've got to log based on MAC addresses (hoping nobody will
change them) anyway. Rigging up a linux box which runs a daemon sniffing
all traffic and logs the assignment of MAC addresses to IP addresses is
not trivial, but easy. (See previous point if you don't want to build
such a device or your network structure is too complex.)

OTOH does IPv6 allow tracking people much more and easier than
fingerprinting allows. While it is true that you can fingerprint
browsers, is the implementation of such a fingerprinting device a lot
more complicated than a simple log file. Additionally does (rather
exact) fingerprinting only allow browser identification; with the MAC
address all other protocols (P2P, ...) are traceable, too.

There's actually currently some discussion about IPv6 and privacy in
German media, see eg. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/IPv6
-Smartphones-compromise-users-privacy-1169708.html (and the longer
article http://www.heise.de/ct/inhalt/2011/03/146/) and
http://www.netzpolitik.org/2011/leseempfehlungen-datenschutz-im-
zeitalter-von-ipv6/ (in the comments of the latter post Lutz
Donnerhacke promises an article on why IPv6 is *not* an issue for
privacy, let's hope he'll shed some light on the topic).

Anyway, my preference is *for* privacy extensions enabled per default
since they do improve privacy for the home user who walks into an
IPv6-enabled network (and uses Ubuntu and not Windows...) and enterprise
networks should have the means to either disable them or log the MAC
addresses.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-26 Thread Derek Morr
My enterprise is a large research university in North America. We
control University owned machines, but student-owned machines are a
different matter.

I'm not certain that filtering privacy addresses at the border is
sufficient. I'd need to check with our security office, but I suspect
we'd also need to block them for internal connections, which means
blocking them at the edge. I doubt that all of our network equipment can
filter based on specific bits in an IPv6 address. Like many large
organizations, we have a large installed base of equipment from multiple
vendors on various lifecycles. Some of this equipment is managed
centrally, but a significant portion is managed by other units
(colleges, departments, etc). I couldn't even begin to guess what
percentage of our routers, switches, and firewalls have this sort of
filtering ability.

We have thousands of networks at the university. It's not practical to
install NDPmon on each of them, as much as I might wish it were done.

I think if you were to poll the Internet2 IPv6 community, you'd find
many similar environments.

Let me flip the question around -- how many respondents manage networks
at large institutions ?

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-21 Thread Cybjit
I do not think users will be very happy when they discover that they are
globally trackable when IPv6 is enabled.

The RFC solves the problem of being trackable within a site, when the big 
problem is being trackable between sites. 
Unfortunately it is the only mechanism available at the moment, and until 
something better comes along I think it should be enabled by default.

If you want to disable anything but EUI-64 addresses, could you not filter on 
the local bit? And redirect people to something explaining your rules.
Even if it is off by default on every operating system, some users are 
invariable going to enable it, and you need to deal with them anyway.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-19 Thread Ron Broersma
Please DO NOT enable privacy extensions by default.   For enterprise
networks, this causes serious headaches, and is a very bad idea.  There
are good reasons why the RFC says this should be disabled by default.
It impacts address management, DNS updates, forensics in response to
incidents, ability to correlate and analyze logs, to name a few of the
issues.

The RFC does say that systems administrators should be able to enable or
disable this feature.  But no mechanism is offered to network
administrators who may want to enable or disable this across the
networks that they manage.  And most network administrators of
IPv6-enabled enterprise networks will tell you how much they hate this
feature and it's being the default in Microsoft implementations.

We outlaw IPv6 privacy extensions in our enterprise network, and even
had to write scanning tools to track down all the systems that have it
enabled, and then have to instruct the admins on what registry settings
they have to change to disable it.  It kills the beauty of IPv6 auto-
configuration (plug-n-play) for us, because now we are forced into human
intervention for each new Windows system that plugs into our network.
We hate it.

When pointing out to Microsoft how their current default is a very bad
idea, they just tell you that you can disable it globally using Active
Directory.  But that does no good for networks that don't run AD, or
where only a portion of their Microsoft systems are controlled by AD.
The one saving grace has been that only Microsoft has made this mistake,
and our Linux, Solaris, Mac OSX, and other operating systems are still
doing the right thing.

Another solution sometimes offered is DHCPv6.  That is not an complete
solution today because a significant portion of the installed base does
not include any DHCPv6 client support.

Don't make the mistake that Microsoft did by enabling this by default.
Leave it disabled, but then allow systems administrators to enable it
when desired and when local policy allows.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-18 Thread Derek Morr
Philipp,

That's not what I said (that's what tonfa said in reply to my note). At
many higher education institutions, we have policies that we need to
know who is using any given IP address at any point in time. Privacy
addresses make this much, much harder. Yes, we can disable them on
managed machines, but not all machines on our network are managed. For
example, student laptops on wireless networks. So, the default setting
matters. Microsoft enables privacy addresses by default on Vista and 7,
and it is already creating problems for us. I've heard similar
complaints from several colleagues at other universities. Frankly,
privacy addresses do very little to enhance privacy and create
significant headaches for network administrators. Please, leave them
disabled by default.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-18 Thread Erik B. Andersen
At many higher education institutions, we have policies that we need to know 
who is using any given IP address at any point in time.
If this was to control access, couldn't you just make a separate /64 for 
unmanaged computers and filter based on that? I can see how you might want to 
know who has what address to prevent abuse. However, even if this was off by 
default, couldn't someone just take note of what block you are using, and 
either add a static address (accidentally using the same address as someone 
else would be unlikely) in that block or turn on privacy addresses and get 
around that?

Privacy addresses make this much, much harder. Yes, we can disable them on 
managed machines, but not all machines on our network are managed. For 
example, student laptops on wireless networks. So, the default setting 
matters. Microsoft enables privacy addresses by default on Vista and 7, and it 
is already creating problems for us.
So any slightly devious student could turn on privacy addresses on their 
machine and circumvent your policies?
Frankly, privacy addresses do very little to enhance privacy and create 
significant headaches for network administrators.
Is letting the world know your MAC address not a big deal? I'm not fully aware 
of the dangers/non-dangers of letting whoever you connect to know your MAC 
address. I do know it can be used to track your computer as it goes between 
networks and that websites could use it for tracking between visits. Maybe you 
could explain why privacy addresses do very little to enhance privacy?
I just don't see how changing the default will do anything when the user could 
just change it back if they wanted to.

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Re: [Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-18 Thread tonfa
On Jan 18, 2011 9:46 PM, Erik B. Andersen erik.b.ander...@gmail.com
wrote:

 At many higher education institutions, we have policies that we need to
know who is using any given IP address at any point in time.

If you *need* to know, and computer are self-managed, then the fact that
privacy addresses are disabled by default doesn't really help. You need to
log data from the switches as well.

 Privacy addresses make this much, much harder. Yes, we can disable them
on managed machines, but not all machines on our network are managed. For
example, student laptops on wireless networks. So, the default setting
matters. Microsoft enables privacy addresses by default on Vista and 7, and
it is already creating problems for us.

And windows isn't going away.

 Frankly, privacy addresses do very little to enhance privacy and create
significant headaches for network administrators.
 I just don't see how changing the default will do anything when the user
could just change it back if they wanted to.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-18 Thread Marc Deslauriers
I am of the opinion that this should be turned on by default.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-18 Thread Kees Cook
I would like to see the default be private. However, the best way to
accomplish this is still not entirely clear. Probably the udev rule
makes the most sense, but if ipv6 is up early enough, sysctl would be
sufficient.

It does sound like network-manager would be required to have a toggle,
though, based on the RFC. That may need to be implemented first.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-18 Thread Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre
I'm assigning the NM bug task to myself to work on allowing users to
toggle this setting.

Note that privacy extensions only really affect autogenerated addresses
(or at least, that's what I got out of my quick read of RFC 4941). It's
a nice and useful feature for users in general when dealing with non-
IPv6 and/or public networks. In enterprise environments it shouldn't be
too much of a big deal, especially since IP addresses would be handed
out by DHCP.

** Changed in: network-manager (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre (mathieu-tl)

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** Changed in: network-manager (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-18 Thread Derek Morr
Erik, the issue isn't access control. It's logging and compliance. If
someone uses our network to break the law, we need to be able to
identify the responsible person. Privacy addresses are directly at odds
with this requirement. Leaving them off by default isn't a 100%
solution, but it helps a lot. Defaults matter.

Mathieu, why do you assume that enterprises will use DHCPv6? Some might
for some of their networks, but it doesn't make sense for all use cases.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-16 Thread Christian Tschabuschnig
The method described in Post #28 doesn't work for me, the method in Post
#14 does. I'm using Ubuntu Maverick 10.10 x64.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-14 Thread TobiasHunger
Could this get reevaluated for natty?

Recent kernels have IPv6 enabled by default and with IPv6 day coming up
(http://www.ipv6day.org/) and major providers here in germany having
announced to enable IPv6 in 2011 this is turning into a much more
important issue than back in 2007!

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-14 Thread Malte S. Stretz
I guess it would make more sense to add an option to NetworkManager
where you can enable or disable this flag. NetworkManager could enable
it per default then.

If this was implemented I'd even go one step further:
* Set /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/accept_ra to 0 per default (if I setup a 
server somewhere I generally don't want to have autoconfig enabled unless I 
choose so).
* Let NetworkManager set /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/$iface/accept_ra to 1 per 
default (can be changed with an option).
* Let NetworkManager set /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/$iface/use_tempaddr to some 
default value to be discussed (can be changed as well).

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-14 Thread Whoopie
There's an article which describes a simple method to activate it:
http://www.heise.de/netze/hotline/IPv6-anonym-1100727.html

Just add a line to your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules:
SUBSYSTEM==net, ACTION==add, DRIVERS==?*, ATTR{dev_id}==0x0, 
ATTR{type}==1, KERNEL==eth*, RUN+=sysctl net.ipv6.conf.%k.use_tempaddr=2

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2011-01-14 Thread Philipp Kießler
Whoopie, did you try that? Either I've done something wrong or that
doesn't work. At least it didn't work on my machine running maverick.

I would prefer enabling Privacy Extensions by default. As Derek Morr
said before, if you manage an enterprise network you have the knowledge
and the ability to disable privacy extensions if needed or wanted. A
normal User might not worry about IPv6 privacy by now, but as hopefully
he will soon.

I like the Idea to enable privacy extension by default giving the
posibility to disable it via gui.

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2010-10-30 Thread Fred
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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2010-10-18 Thread MMlosh
OK, that mess is unrelated, IPv6 network here is under construction..
there are really so many radvds around

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2010-10-18 Thread MMlosh
I am having trouble with ipv6 after upgrade to maverick... a ton of
addresses is assigned instead of 2 (and it does not work)

inet (addr) brd (addr) scope global eth0
inet6 2002:(addr)/64 scope global temporary deprecated dynamic 
inet6 2002:(addr)/64 scope global deprecated dynamic 
inet6 2001:(addr)/64 scope global temporary dynamic 
inet6 2001:(addr)/64 scope global dynamic 
inet6 fec0::(addr)/64 scope site temporary deprecated dynamic 
inet6 fec0::(addr)/64 scope site deprecated dynamic 
inet6 fe80::(addr)/64 scope link

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2010-10-18 Thread MMlosh
oh.. nevermind.. it is 6to4, I hope by admins, not by networkmanager on
my ubuntu computer

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2009-12-16 Thread Kees Cook
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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2009-12-01 Thread ChosenOne
So here's the dilemma:
Either we enable it by default (like Windows 7 does, btw!) and take a few risks 
(networks are harder to debug, difficulties with applications, etc.) or we 
disable it and lessen privacy for end-users.

I'd prefer the second option, but only if we had a way of disabling it 
*easily*, e.g. checkbox like
[x] Enable Privacy Extension for Autoconf IPv6 somewhere in network-manager 
(RFC says there MUST be a switch for end users anyway in 3.6).

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2009-10-30 Thread Ryan Giobbi
Speaking from an enterprise network perspective, I very much do *not*
want to see privacy addresses enabled by default, as they can make
complying with our network security policies much more difficult.


In terms of demographics, Ubuntu doesn't have nearly the market share in the 
enterprise as it does in other sectors. 

The hit on user privacy for systems not using privacy extensions is
large - especially for new users.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2009-04-10 Thread Derek Morr
RFC 4941, Section 3.6, says that temporary addresses should be disabled
by default.

Speaking from an enterprise network perspective, I very much do *not*
want to see privacy addresses enabled by default, as they can make
complying with our network security policies much more difficult.

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Re: [Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2009-04-10 Thread tonfa
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 03:00:28PM -, Derek Morr wrote:
 RFC 4941, Section 3.6, says that temporary addresses should be disabled
 by default.

ACK, does Vista still does it by default ?
 
 Speaking from an enterprise network perspective, I very much do *not*
 want to see privacy addresses enabled by default, as they can make
 complying with our network security policies much more difficult.

If you manage an enterprise network, you can alway change the policies,
you shouldn't care about the default (and your users shouldn't be able to
override this).

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2009-03-01 Thread Joerg Bornschein

I *have* read both, and the arguments from RFC 3041 Considered Harmful-draft 
have been 
dealt with in RFC4941, Section 7. So there does not seem to be a reason for 
disabling the privacy extension.

In fact, the arguments form the Considered Harmful-draft are, in some
sense, not valid -- the current situation Ipv4+NAT is in no way better
than IPv6+Privacy-Extension. Given a DOS attack,  in both cases you
have to block a complete subnet (it's NAT gateway) if somebody within
the subnet rapidly changes his IP addrss.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2009-01-19 Thread a7x
Updated links:
  * RFC4941 (obsoletes RFC3041), written in September 2007:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4941
  * RFC 3041 Considered Harmful Internet Draft, written in June 2004, expired 
December 2004:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dupont-ipv6-rfc3041harmful-05

Because the RFC 3041 Considered Harmful ID hasn't been refreshed since
2004, I wonder if all of the issues it raises have been addressed in the
new RFC4941.  I also wonder if the Linux kernel has been updated to
address any differences between RFC3041 and RFC4941.  (I haven't read
the RFCs yet, so I'm not sure how they differ.)

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-25 Thread MMlosh
And you're sure that this file is processed after interfaces are going up?
I was asking, because I've no clue..

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-25 Thread MMlosh
I've tried that.

Error messages like:  Error: net.ipv6.conf.xxx.xxx is an unknown key
have just moved to next line when booting.. 

Files  /etc/sysctl.d/nn-*.conf are loaded immediately after /etc/sysctl.conf
Numbers (nn) are only for adjusting execution order.

note: This probably won't change anything, but: UFW (firewall) 's
sysctl.conf (/etc/ufw/sysctl.conf) is loaded probably after, because
I've successfully enabled IPv6 forwarding on that machine.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-25 Thread tonfa
@MMlosh

To workaround this, I added ipv6 to /etc/modules

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-25 Thread MMlosh
:(
Loading ipv6 module removes failed messages when booting
and sets properly net.ipv6.conf.xxx.xxx variables, but address is still from 
MAC...

Maybe it's just wrong radvd configuration... I've no clue.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-25 Thread tonfa
The way I got it to right (didn't reboot since some time so I'm not sure
it's still ok):

net.ipv6.conf.wlan0.use_tempaddr = 2
net.ipv6.conf.eth0.use_tempaddr = 2
net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr = 2
net.ipv6.conf.default.use_tempaddr = 2

in /etc/sysctl.conf

and ipv6

in /etc/modules

After that, I get two dynamic addresses in ip addr, the secondary is the
random one.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-25 Thread MMlosh
I was missing that line with eth0, thanks  This behavior does not
look like intended (all should IMHO set this variable for all
interfaces and default should do that for new interfaces...)

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Re: [Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-25 Thread tonfa
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 06:15:02PM -, MMlosh wrote:
 I was missing that line with eth0, thanks  This behavior does not
 look like intended (all should IMHO set this variable for all
 interfaces and default should do that for new interfaces...)

I agree, but it doesn't seem to work and I didn't have time to debug it.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-24 Thread MMlosh
There is a possibility to use /etc/sysctl.d/10-network-security.conf
I'm not sure if it won't be too late here. But these rules should be processed 
after regular sysctl rules...

Am I right?

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-24 Thread MMlosh
There is a possibility to use /etc/sysctl.d/10-network-security.conf  (Ubuntu 
8.10 Intrepid and up only)
I'm not sure if it won't be too late here. But these rules should be processed 
after regular sysctl rules...

Am I right?

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-11-24 Thread tonfa
I think we want it to be executed after ipv6 is loaded and before any
interface is up.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-09-03 Thread Ryan Giobbi
Can the privacy extension be listed in /etc/sysctl.conf but commented
out by default?

putting sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr=2 in /etc/rc.local
seemed to get it working on 8.04.1 for me.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-04-09 Thread Colin Watson
RFC 3041 is not without controversy. For example, see RFC 3041
Considered Harmful (an Internet-Draft and thus work in progress; I
could only find an expired copy, but haven't found a reason why the
underlying issues should have expired):

  http://www.6net.org/publications/standards/draft-dupont-
ipv6-rfc3041harmful-02.txt

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg25047.html also
notes that there may be per-application problems with deploying RFC 3041
addresses. See also section 7.8 of
http://www.6net.org/publications/deliverables/D2.5.2.pdf.

At this point I'm very reluctant to make this change for 8.04; given the
relative rarity of IPv6 usage among Ubuntu users I think it is unlikely
that we would hear about regressions in time to correct them. I think
the best course of action for the time being is to document this in the
release notes, and I've added it to my personal stash of items which
I'll be documenting there.

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-04-09 Thread tonfa
Anyway for this sysctl change to work, ipv6 has to be loaded (in /etc/modules) 
before the sysctl change and it is too late to change that for hardy.
(unless you know how to have some sysctl affect a not yet loaded module, for 
example with some udev magic ?)

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-04-02 Thread agent 8131
** Changed in: procps (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-04-01 Thread agent 8131
I agree that this should be turned on by default.  For any entry in the
net.ipv4.conf or net.ipv6.conf trees I believe both .all and
.default should be set to achieve the desired effect.  In this case
the proper sysctl.conf settings are:

net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr=2
net.ipv6.conf.default.use_tempaddr=2

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2008-01-04 Thread Torbjörn Wassberg
I too think this should be the default policy, there is no good reason to 
expose your MAC-address to the world.
But adding net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr=2 to /etc/sysctl.conf was not enough 
to get it working on my Ethernet interface from boot.
I also had to add net.ipv6.conf.default.use_tempaddr=2, and force ipv6 to load 
before before sysctrl using /etc/modules.
Perhaps the default should be changed in the kernel instead?

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[Bug 176125] Re: Ubuntu should activate the IPv6 privacy extension by default (echo 2 /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr)

2007-12-13 Thread tonfa
If that helps, windows uses those temporary addresses by default when
using ipv6.

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