[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Daniel van Vugt]

OK. The problems and software versions described here are now 10 years
old. If anyone has continuing audio issues, please log a new bug with
your current system details.

** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => Invalid

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Florian Zeitz]

Unfortunately I must say I've moved on from using both Ubuntu and the
affected card within the last 10 years. Maybe one of the several other
affected people can provide some feedback.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Daniel van Vugt]

Florian,

Thank you for reporting this bug to Ubuntu.

Ubuntu 10.10 (maverick) reached end-of-life on April 10, 2012.
And Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy) reached end-of-life on May 12, 2011.

See this document for currently supported Ubuntu releases:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases 

Please upgrade to the latest version and re-test.


** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Incomplete

** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lucid)
 Assignee: Daniel T Chen (crimsun) => (unassigned)

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Rolf Leggewie]

lucid has seen the end of its life and is no longer receiving any
updates. Marking the lucid task for this ticket as "Won't Fix".

** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lucid)
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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Raymond]

do route plugin support rewind if front device need to use route plugin
?

http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-
lib.git;a=blob;f=src/conf/cards/ICE1712.conf;hb=HEAD


http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-lib.git;a=blob;f=src/pcm/pcm_route.c;hb=HEAD

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[madbiologist]

Initial power management support for M-Audio devices will finally be
available in the ICE1712 driver in the upcoming upstream 3.15 kernel.
The 3.15 kernel will be available at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-
ppa/mainline/ and instructions on how to install and uninstall it are
available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Chris]

This is still an issue with me on ubuntu 13.10 unbelievable

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Raymond]

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/commit/?id=078a39af886ea3bb590595b973343af77c2837fe

if the thinkpad_acpi card can be ignored by modifying
ENV{PULSE_IGNORE}="1" in 90-pulseaudio.rules

this may mean that you can add an entry to ignore your ice1712 card and
you can run Jack server with your ice1712

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[David Henningsson]

Well, there are several ways we could go about the initial mixer setting. We 
could initialize DAC0 and DAC1 to be on by default in the ALSA init db, which 
would be just a quick fix. Better would be if we could rename these devices in 
the kernel to be labelled "Front", "Surround", "LFE", "Headphone" and so on, so 
that PulseAudio would use it automatically. That, however, requires that we 
know the channel alignment for all devices, i e, if DAC2 corresponds to the 
headphone on one of these devices and the LFE on another, that has to be taken 
into account. 
Some kind of workaround would be to create PulseAudio profiles for this, but it 
feels like the kernel is the proper place to fix it.

Fixing suspend/resume is trickier, and might require someone with both
kernel knowledge and the physical hardware at hand to fix it.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[HannesB]

Hello,

the neverending story continues...
just made a fresh install of 11.10. 
No Sound with my Terratec EWX 24/96
I had to run the envy mixer (mudita24)
DAC0 and DAC1 were set to 0 by default. 
After fixing that it works fine,

BTW suspend is still broken.

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Re: [Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Zoran]

Marcus,

Thank you for informing me about the issue, but I must admit I don't
understand it at all and I hope I will succeed to find somebody who could
explain me what I am supposed to do...
:) I suppose this is related to my soundcard Audiphile 2496 and it could be
connected with its driver problem or similar, but, I cannot assume more of
that right now.
Forgive me for beeing honest with you and thank you.

Zoran


2011/5/6 markus haider 

> I don't have any problems with this bug anymore on Natty. So I can
> confirm that this is fixed for me with alsa-lib - 1.0.24.1-0ubuntu4.
>
> @ David Henningsson
> Thank you for your tip with the ttable entries. I was not possible to make
> a mapping through via-ice1712.conf (but perhaps I just did something wrong),
> but changing /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf works to allow simultanuous
> output on channels 1-4. Here the relevant section in
> /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf, where I added the two lines you
> suggested:
> 
>
> ICE1712.pcm.front.0 {
>@args [ CARD ]
>@args.CARD {
>type string
>}
>type asym
>playback.pcm {
>type route
>ttable.0.0 1
>ttable.1.1 1
>ttable.0.2 1
>ttable.1.3 1
>
> Thanks a lot
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> Title:
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> Status in “alsa-lib” package in Ubuntu:
>  Fix Released
> Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu:
>  Confirmed
> Status in “alsa-lib” source package in Lucid:
>  Won't Fix
> Status in “pulseaudio” source package in Lucid:
>  Triaged
>
> Bug description:
>  Binary package hint: pulseaudio
>
>  I have a problem that makes pulseaudio unusable for me.
>  I noticed the only device listed by pulseaudio is my webcam (as an input
> device obviously), so I tried starting pulseaudio from the command line to
> see what was happening.
>  This resulted in:
>  "ALSA lib confmisc.c:1286:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition
> 'cards.ICE1712.pcm.surround71.0:CARD=0'
>  ALSA lib conf.c:3510:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer
> returned error: No such file or directory
>  ALSA lib conf.c:3982:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such file or
> directory
>  ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM surround71:0
>  W: alsa-util.c: Device hw:0 doesn't support 2 channels, changed to 10.
>  W: alsa-util.c: Device hw:0 doesn't support sample format s16le, changed
> to s32le.
>  W: alsa-util.c: Cannot find fallback mixer control "PCM".
>  E: module-alsa-sink.c: Failed to create sink object
>  E: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink" (argument:
> "device_id=0
> sink_name=alsa_output.pci_1412_1712_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0"):
> initialization failed.ALSA lib confmisc.c:1286:(snd_func_refer) Unable to
> find definition 'cards.ICE1712.pcm.surround71.0:CARD=0'
>  ALSA lib conf.c:3510:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer
> returned error: No such file or directory
>  ALSA lib conf.c:3982:(snd_config_expand) Evaluate error: No such file or
> directory
>  ALSA lib pcm.c:2145:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM surround71:0
>  W: alsa-util.c: Device hw:0 doesn't support 2 channels, changed to 12.
>  W: alsa-util.c: Device hw:0 doesn't support sample format s16le, changed
> to s32le.
>  W: alsa-util.c: Cannot find fallback mixer control "Mic".
>  E: module-alsa-source.c: Failed to create source object
>  E: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-source" (argument:
> "device_id=0
> source_name=alsa_input.pci_1412_1712_sound_card_0_alsa_capture_0"):
> initialization failed."
>
>  This is an up to date Hardy installation.
>  Soundcard is a M-Audio Audiophile 2496.
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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[markus haider]

I don't have any problems with this bug anymore on Natty. So I can
confirm that this is fixed for me with alsa-lib - 1.0.24.1-0ubuntu4.

@ David Henningsson
Thank you for your tip with the ttable entries. I was not possible to make a 
mapping through via-ice1712.conf (but perhaps I just did something wrong), but 
changing /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf works to allow simultanuous output 
on channels 1-4. Here the relevant section in 
/usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf, where I added the two lines you suggested:


ICE1712.pcm.front.0 {
@args [ CARD ]
@args.CARD {
type string
}
type asym
playback.pcm {
type route
ttable.0.0 1
ttable.1.1 1
ttable.0.2 1
ttable.1.3 1

Thanks a lot

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[markus haider]

@David Henningsson
> Just to gather information, what is the soundcard that allows for this 
> configuration?
I have a M-Audio Delta 1010lt which has 10 output channels.

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** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/alsa-lib

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This bug was fixed in the package alsa-lib - 1.0.24.1-0ubuntu4

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  * lp178442-ICE1712.patch: Makes pulseaudio succeed in opening
ICE1712 chips such as Maudio 2496 and Delta 1010LT.
(LP: #178442)
 -- David HenningssonMon, 28 Mar 2011 
11:01:55 +0200

** Changed in: alsa-lib (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[David Henningsson]

> What would I have to do, if I want to switch output to channels 3&4
(where I connected headphones)

Just to gather information, what is the soundcard that allows for this
configuration?

> In Ubuntu 10.10, I mad a mapping in via-ice1712.conf which looked like
this

It seems to me like that workaround would work equally well in 11.04.

You can also modify /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf to output to both
1&2 and 3&4 simultaneously by inserting ttable entries, should be
something like:

ttable.0.2 1
ttable.1.3 1

...next to the other ttable entries in the definition you want to
modify.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[markus haider]

I tested the packages in #164 on a fresh natty beta 1 install and I get
sound. However, I have one question: What would I have to do, if I want
to switch output to channels 3&4 (where I connected headphones). Is this
possible with the current bugfix? If not, where would I have to make the
changes?

In Ubuntu 10.10, I mad a mapping in via-ice1712.conf which looked like
this

[Mapping headphones]
description = headphones
device-strings = hw:%f,0
#channel-map = front-left,front-right,rear-left,rear-right,front-center,lfe,side
-left,side-right,aux0,aux1
channel-map = aux0,aux1,front-left,front-right,aux2,aux3,aux4,aux5,aux6,aux7
direction = output

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Re: [Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Luke Yelavich]

The above proposed fix has not yet been uploaded to natty. I hope to get
this uploaded ASAP, however I have some patches incoming for other fixes
which I would like to upload all at once if possible. A notification
will be added to this bug once the fix has been uploaded.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[nmsrnm1]

I just tested Beta 1 and the bug is still not fixed there.
I get no sound.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[David Henningsson]

Due to beta freeze this will likely be uploaded after Beta 1 has been
released.

** Changed in: alsa-lib (Ubuntu)
Milestone: None => ubuntu-11.04

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[christoph_barth]

#119 made my day. i'm using the 2496 and now the analog inputs/outputs
show up. but i had to restart my computer, a simple "pulseaudio --kill"
or "sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart" did not work. Thank You very
much!

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[xigen]

Florian's suggestion in comment #30 worked for me.

I needed to re-read the comment a couple of times to see that the change 
pertains to 
ICE1712.pcm.front.0 {  ...

and not to any of the other aspects of the config file.

As always -- thank you.

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Re: [Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Daniel T Chen]

Mikko, we need your hardware info. Please file a separate bug report against
alsa-driver using "ubuntu-bug alsa-base".

On May 25, 2010 6:26 AM, "Mikko Eley"  wrote:

I have been trying many of the fixes touted for this bug I still can't
get audio out of my M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. This Bug affects Lucid and
I still can't get sound. I was also unable to get sound working under
Debian. Current install is Lucid Xubuntu.

With some tinkering I have an analogue option in the devices list but
when selecting output option the only available other than my internal
speaker is the digital output, no analogue option is available, as an
output or input, even if they are in the device list. Surely there
should only be one option in the device list and then in sound input and
output the available digital and analogue options should be available.

Before I can listen to podcasts and start ripping my cd's to ogg I need
sound output and input to work I would be very keen to see a fix for
this asap. This seems to be a long standing bug and needs some attention


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[Mikko Eley]

I have been trying many of the fixes touted for this bug I still can't
get audio out of my M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. This Bug affects Lucid and
I still can't get sound. I was also unable to get sound working under
Debian. Current install is Lucid Xubuntu.

With some tinkering I have an analogue option in the devices list but
when selecting output option the only available other than my internal
speaker is the digital output, no analogue option is available, as an
output or input, even if they are in the device list. Surely there
should only be one option in the device list and then in sound input and
output the available digital and analogue options should be available.

Before I can listen to podcasts and start ripping my cd's to ogg I need
sound output and input to work I would be very keen to see a fix for
this asap. This seems to be a long standing bug and needs some attention

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[RogerP]

@Daniel: Good that you're working on it or thinking of.

"The changes were too invasive (not to mention frowned upon by both upstream
alsa and pulse devs) for 10.04 LTS final, but we can try working around this
in a ppa package." 

Incidentally, I just did a clean install of Mint "Helena" (Karmic 9.04)
x64. I uninstalled PulseAudio. Rhythmbox as well as ZynAddSubFX both
worked. I rebooted they still worked. Next time I rebooted they're dead.
Not done anything else.

That was as before. Very occasionally everything worked. Then it
wouldn't.

Dunno of it helps.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Chris Hutchin]

Disappointed that this bug keeps being assigned as a low priority. Every
time that I update to a new version of Ubuntu, I have to spend hours
sorting sound out! Guess I'm going to have to find a few hours from
somewhere again!

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Richard Corner]

** Tags added: audio driver m-audio pulseaudio sound soundcard

** Tags added: terratec

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Re: [Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Daniel T Chen]

The changes were too invasive (not to mention frowned upon by both upstream
alsa and pulse devs) for 10.04 LTS final, but we can try working around this
in a ppa package.

On Apr 30, 2010 5:03 PM, "RogerP"  wrote:

Same as jpka

Ubuntu 10.04 64bit STILL doesn't work. :(


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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[RogerP]

Same as jpka

Ubuntu 10.04 64bit STILL doesn't work. :(

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[jpka]

Ubuntu 10.04: still not work. (Terratec dmx6fire, still show only
digital i / o)

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Richard Corner]

I had this problem with the M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. Neither analogue
inputs nor outputs were showing up in PulseAudio. What fixed it for me
was the patch attached to PulseAudio ticket #624:

http://www.pulseaudio.org/attachment/ticket/624/pulseaudio-add-profile-
sets-for-M_Audio-Audiophile-2496.patch

Following the lead of muttnik in comment #52 above, the two files I had
to edit were:

/lib/udev/rules.d/90-pulseaudio.rules
/usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/profile-sets/m_audio-audiophile-2496.conf

I tried muttnik's customized versions of the patch first, but it did not
allow applications to record from my card. The original version from
ticket #624 worked, however.

Thanks to muttnik for putting me on the right track.

** Bug watch added: www.pulseaudio.org/attachment/ #624
   http://www.pulseaudio.org/attachment/ticket/624

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Guillem]

Pulseaudio is a pain. My ICE1712 based card worked like a charm prior to
pulse, it did more things than with it's windows propietary drivers.
With karmic and it's mandatory use of pulse all this joy has gone.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Daniel T Chen]

** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lucid)
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Daniel T Chen (crimsun)

** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Won't Fix => Triaged

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[pablomme]

> last time I checked the workaround from #30 did only fix /playback/ on
this card.

That's one important piece of information. The fix from comment #30
starts to seem like a bad idea.

> I'd even like to record through pulseaudio from time to time. That
would probably depend on #52/53.

I can confirm that the udev/pulseaudio fix allows recording. I can use
things like skype without a problem (through the sm58 plugged into the
first channel of my 1010LT, which is exactly as inconvenient as it
sounds, mic stand and all).

@Daniel: with the recent feedback, how likely are we to be able to get a
workaround like the one in comment #110 into Lucid?

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

I can confirm that #52/53 fixes analog playback/record & also S/PDIF
playback: I can't confirm S/PDIF record because I've never put much
effort into trying to get it going...

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Florian Zeitz]

I haven't really tested this (and it might be worthwhile if someone around his 
sound card before Tuesday could ;)), but last time I checked the workaround 
from #30 did only fix /playback/ on this card.
Obviously recording with this card is also a big factor, and speaking for 
myself I'd even like to record through pulseaudio from time to time. That would 
probably depend on #52/53.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

I agree with both the immediately previous comments: whilst I don't use
JACK etc. I'd suggest that the risk to other apps from the adoption of
the solution from #30 has to be greater than the pure Pulseaudio
workaround (#52/53 or whatever you want to call it).

For me that fix has been completely stable for several months & it seems
a relatively clean way to plaster over an issue that has been a
festering sore since Hardy, at least pending a real fix upstream.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Geoff123]

FWIW I agree with pablomme:
"My reason for preferring tweaking the udev/pulseaudio configuration over 
tweaking ALSA's is that for professional audio apps (JACK, Ardour, Hydrogen, 
etc) pulseaudio is irrelevant, and ALSA's default configuration works exactly 
as it should. "   

Daniel:
 #30 looks like it was only a partial fix as noted in the comments #44, but 
maybe it now does completely fix things as reported in #110.  This should 
probably be tested more.  Looks like most of the recent fixes above note the 
use of #52/53/63 method.

In comment #100 I note that  #52/#53 works for me.  This was over a
month ago and it still seems to work great.  I used both standard
desktop (pulse stuff) and pro audio programs (jackd, qjackctl, ardour,
rosegarden, muse) on a daily basis. With the pulsaudio fix all we need
to do to run jack aware apps is to run qjackctl, which runs "pasuspender
qjackctl"; this works quite well.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[pablomme]

> At this point we need to focus on minimizing the amount of code added to any
> upload (for easier verification), so if the additions from comment #30
> suffice by themselves, it makes more sense to use them.

My reason for preferring tweaking the udev/pulseaudio configuration over
tweaking ALSA's is that for professional audio apps (JACK, Ardour,
Hydrogen, etc) pulseaudio is irrelevant, and ALSA's default
configuration works exactly as it should. In particular, I'm worried
about the effects that "slave.format S32_LE" might have on ALSA's full
support of the card.

Could someone confirm whether the solution from comment #30 has no
adverse effects on ALSA/JACK applications? And on the ability to
configure the card via the envy24control ALSA tool?

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Daniel T Chen]

At this point we need to focus on minimizing the amount of code added to
any upload (for easier verification), so if the additions from comment
#30 suffice by themselves, it makes more sense to use them.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[pablomme]

> Can we confirm that a pristine daily-live desktop image of Lucid
> /won't/ work after modifying /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf as
> mentioned in comment #30 is /insufficient/ ?

I have just installed Lucid from the alpha 3 image, applied all updates and
tested the workarounds:
- The solution given in comment #30 *does* work (this amounts to 2 lines
  added to the alsa/cards file).
- The solution given in comment #63 (#52) *does* work (I am using this one in
  Karmic, so I just copied the files over).

> The sort of hacks suggested above could be generalized for PCI subvendor,
> but that's a fragile approach.

How about fully specifying all subsytem IDs instead? E.g., the following
/etc/udev/rules.d/ice1712-pulseaudio-workaround.rules would work for everyone
subscribed to this bug who has reported success with this approach, and
should not affect any other card:

---
SUBSYSTEM!="sound", GOTO="ice1712_end"
ACTION!="change", GOTO="ice1712_end"
KERNEL!="card*", GOTO="ice1712_end"

# M-Audio Delta 1010 / M-Audio Delta 1010 Rev. E
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0xd630", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

# M-Audio Delta 66 / M-Audio Delta 66 Rev. E
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0xd632", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

# M-Audio Delta 44
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0xd633", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

# M-Audio Audiophile 2496
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0xd634", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

# M-Audio Delta 410
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0xd638", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

# M-Audio Delta 1010LT
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0xd63b", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

# Terratec EWS 88MT
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x153b", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x1115", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

# Terratec EWX 2496
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x153b", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x1130", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

# Terratec DMX 6fire
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x153b", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x1138", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

LABEL="ice1712_end"
---

Some subdevice IDs and card names are from http://envy24.svobodno.com, as
usefully linked in comment #80.  I have tried this version of the file and
 it works. This of course should go with a matching
/usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/profile-sets/via-ice1712.conf
as indicated above.

Would this be a suitable solution for the time being, until ALSA and/or 
pulseaudio
fix the cause upstream?

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Daniel T Chen]

Discussion needs to occur, and changes need to be made, upstream for
alsa-lib. Until there's any sort of momentum there, it doesn't look to
be fixed for Lucid/10.04, either. The sort of hacks suggested above
could be generalized for PCI subvendor, but that's a fragile approach.

Can we confirm that a pristine daily-live desktop image of Lucid /won't/
work after modifying /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf as mentioned in
comment #30 is /insufficient/ ? You'll of course need to logout and
login after making the change.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Daniel T Chen]

** Also affects: alsa-lib (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: Confirmed

** Also affects: pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Importance: Low
   Status: Confirmed

** Changed in: alsa-lib (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix

** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu Lucid)
   Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[dragonfly]

If anyone wants to look at my Question #102783:

"pulse audio fails to start- rt kernel maudio card- attempting this used
my 4GIGs memory?!"

Ive tried pretty much all steps as outlined in the different comments
and the forum sticky on pulse audio but no luck with pulse.

 So pablomme, I just need to learn to use jack then?  "JACK on top of
ALSA for audio production, with pulseaudio suspended or disabled"  Do I
need same setup  if I want to intergrate sound in Kino,  or Cinerella or
other video editors?

Is there a general mulitmedia wiki I forgot or overlooked that can give
me the rundown of how I should be setup to start using these kind of
programs with the least problems?

Hoping things will smoothe out for Lucid!

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Daniel T Chen]

** Also affects: alsa-lib (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: alsa-lib (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Geoff123]

I agree with the comment from #105.  This is a relatively common card
for people that want great sound quality or for audio/midi recording.
As for the Maudio Audiophile 24/96, it's was and is a common PCI sound
cards sold at music stores for recording.  Ever since ubuntu has started
using pulseaudio I've been having to mess with this during install. A
couple releases ago I just uninstalled pulseaudio, but now these fixes
work pretty well.  Most recently I used #52/#52.

"On a different note, could an Ubuntu developer look at the solutions
proposed in this thread and say whether any is an acceptable fix to get
into Lucid? And if not, what would a good solution look like? The bug
has been upstreamed to both pulseaudio and ALSA, but neither has
committed a fix. I think Ubuntu would do well in maintaining a fix while
this is resolved, with Lucid being LTS and all."

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[keeter]

My soundcard is also affected by this bug:  Hoontech STA DSP24 (ICE1712); lists 
only a "dummy output" in sound preferences. it worked fine in pre-pulseaudio 
releases but now the only way i've figured out how to make it work is by 
disabling pulseaudio entirely and running sound out of jack or directly from 
ALSA. 
thanks!
k

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[pablomme]

> I am assuming that the pulse sound server is neccessary for audio
production!?

No, most likely you want JACK on top of ALSA for audio production, with
pulseaudio suspended or disabled. Without pulseaudio, however, many
regular desktop applications will require reconfiguration -if they allow
it- to work properly. Ideally you want pulseaudio running until you want
to run professional audio apps, at which point you suspend pulseaudio to
run the JACK daemon (e.g., runinng 'pasuspend qjackctl'; it might be
that qjackctl already does this for you).

On a different note, could an Ubuntu developer look at the solutions
proposed in this thread and say whether any is an acceptable fix to get
into Lucid? And if not, what would a good solution look like? The bug
has been upstreamed to both pulseaudio and ALSA, but neither has
committed a fix. I think Ubuntu would do well in maintaining a fix while
this is resolved, with Lucid being LTS and all.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[dragonfly]

OK!!!  I have sound working finally in VLC & in firefox & I can use ALSA
& Gnome Alsa mixer gui, Envy 24 control again but now pulse is flushed!
So no MoviePlayer for now.  *Following comment #7 and editing
"/etc/pulse/default.pa"   seemed to set my sinks/channels/devices right.
I will try to reset the  "/lib/udev/rules.d/90-pulseaudio.rules" back to
how is was orginally (bkup) and  remove ice1712.conf from comment #53
from "/usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/profile-sets/" and start over-
just to see if that gets both ALSA and pulse audio to work! or just sudo
aptitude --purge reinstall linux-sound-base etc... & only edit
"/etc/pulse/default.pa", as a succesful user did in the forums.  I am
assuming that the pulse sound server is neccessary for audio
production!?

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[dragonfly]

And headaches I am having.  I tried to follow the steps from comment #64
& 52, 53 but still cant get sound working.  I hope someone can help me-
as there was a 3rd part in #52 but it applies to a diffrent card- so I
dont know how to set my channels properly. maudio only has rca anolog
stereo in and out and spdif in stereo.  Anyone can detail me how to set
the channels in  "/etc/pulse/default.pa"?   I even tried to add:

"> set-default-sink
> delta_out set-default-source delta_in
>
> to:
>
> set-default-sink delta_out
> set-default-source delta_in"

as did Windsor Schmidt, which worked with same card in Hardy, but that
created errord in loading alsa drivers in Karmic.

There are too many workarounds I don't know which is the best one at
this point-which works!

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[dragonfly]

ok I just found that this is the right bug in launchpad for my no sound
issue with maudio delta 2496 soundcard.  I found help in
DebuggingSoundProblems/KarmicCaveats:  Alternate channel mappings needed
for ICE1712 which led to here. I am hoping that the next LTS version
with the rt kernel will have this bug solved and be stable; I am looking
forward to finally learning to use linux multimedia production apps-
which I had postponned until I got this latest self-built AMD system!  I
wish we could get more artists to discover linux alternatives, but it
will keep them away if there is too much headache and hairpulling!

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Baird Hendrix]

Confirmed, used workaround #52/#53 fixes.  Running Karmic 64-bit, fully
updated, with a Delta 2496.  My stereo thanks you.

Please, please, please, please, please fix this bug in the lucid release
at least.  It is VERY annoying, and seemingly every minor software
change made with this card involved results in no sound, broken config
files, much gnashing of teeth, and possible work-related deaths of well-
liked and irreplaceable hours.  I already have a complicated enough
sound rig as is, don't make it more complicated!  (Or else I go back to
Windows for sound production)

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Geoff123]

Confirmed.  I had to do this on an install of Lucid Alpha 2+.  Used
#52/53 also.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Andrew Draskoy]

Confirmed.  The workaround in #52/53 fixes the problem, which still
exists in the latest karmic.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Angel Candelaria]

I can confirm this bug still persists in Karmic 64bit with a
Delta1010LT.  The workaround described in comment #52 along with the
file attached on #53 solved my issue.  Thanks muttnik for the fix!

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Flashwalker]

David Favor  wrote on 2009-08-29:   comment  #37

 It's work  for me ! Thanks !
I have:  Linux Mint 8 x64 ; M-Audio Audiophile 2496 ; Pulseaudio ver. 0.9.19

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[rod40cool]

I confirm that work-around described in comment #30 works!!  The addition of 
the 2 lines in the appropriate section defined by:-
ICE1712.pcm.front.0 {

in the /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf file as per comment #30 definitely 
worked after making the change and then rebooting. 
For reference - my card details are:-
!!Soundcards recognised by ALSA
!!-

 0 [H71]: ICE1712 - Hoontech STA DSP24 Media 7.1
  Hoontech STA DSP24 Media 7.1 at 0xb000, irq 17


!!PCI Soundcards installed in the system
!!--

01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712
[Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)


!!Advanced information - PCI Vendor/Device/Susbsystem ID's
!!

01:07.0 0401: 1412:1712 (rev 02)
Subsystem: 1416:1712

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[tmckellar]

I experienced this bug in 8.10 but it I'd not occur in 9.04 on another
machine I admin. Both have an M-audio Delta 44. It re-emerged in 9.10
however. Fixes in posts 7 and 30 are the only ones that have worked in
my case. I have found that adding the fix in post 30 to other parts of
the ICE1712.conf give me all available analog outputs too. The fix in
post 7 is the only one that gives me analog inputs however. Seeing as
the deltas in both computers are there for recording I can't live
without the analog inputs. No other fixes I tried worked. Anybody have
any ideas how to get pulse to recognize the analog inputs? I do have it
working but would like a permanent solution instead of a workaround as I
am sure many others do.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Thomas Frössman]

I don't know if the solution needs more confirmation but with pulseaudio
from the PPA and the solution in #52 with ICE1712.conf my DSP24 Value
works great too.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Rock_Franky]

yeah, it works !!
got it right !
Thanks a lot Ianc

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Rock_Franky]

hello Ianc,

lspci prints the following:
08:01.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 
[Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller [1412:1712] (rev 02)
Subsystem: TERRATEC Electronic GmbH Device [153b:1115]
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17
I/O ports at ec00 [size=32]
I/O ports at e880 [size=16]
I/O ports at e800 [size=16]
I/O ports at e480 [size=64]
Capabilities: 
Kernel driver in use: ICE1712
Kernel modules: snd-ice1712

how do I get the information you mentioned ?
thanks a lot
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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[TonyW]

HannesB could you possibly tell me the deviceID you used as I am trying
to get the same card working to no avail?

Many thanks.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

If outputs 1 & 2 are OK then probably all you need to do is modify the
"via-ice1712.conf" (or whatever you called it) file. Take a look at the
Pulseaudio bug linked-to in #35 - there are files attached there for a
multi-output card that you should be able to modify to get yourself up
and going.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[markus haider]

Thanks, #63 works basically fine for me (My card: M-Audio Delta 1010lt).
However I do not have multichannel output, I can only use outputs 1 and
2. I would like to use 3 and 4 for my headphones. I tried muttniks fix
#53 editing /etc/pulse/default.pa, but pulseaudio fails to start after
editing default.pa.

Did anybody experience the same problem? What should I do, to get
outputs 3 and 4 working?

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[HannesB]

#63 modified with lspci -nnv fixed the problem for me (Terratec 24/96), THX
one small issue: 
after switching to digital output and back to analog, the sound comes from the 
speakers again, but the volume sliders have no effect, and the hardware device 
chooser switched to my onboard sound (although its coming from my Terratec and 
not from the headphones connected to onboard) and if I then switch back to my 
Terratec, I can control the volume like I should. Audio-Settings are getting 
somehow out of sync with Pulsaudio, so maybe I'll suggest this for the 100 
papercuts:)

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

Franky - even if it's the same chipset the parameters you need may not be the 
same as in #84. Take a look at the output of "lspci -nnv" - you should be able 
to confirm that the card does use an ICE1712 chipset and also confirm the 
parameters. You need to know:
vendor
device
subsystem_vendor
subsystem_device

Substitute the values for your card into the line in #84 and see if that
helps.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Rock_Franky]

did anyone already get someone the Terratec EWS128 to work ?
It worked fine under 9.04, but since the update there is silence...
I also tried #63 and #84 for I think itś the same chipset, but it didn't work 
for me.
Does anyone have any advices for how the EWS 128 is making noise again ?
thanks a lot...
Franky

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Ciso]

Thanks to ianc I solved my problem with reply #63 + #84 with Terratec
DMX6Fire

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

OK - for /lib/udev/rules.d/90-pulseaudio.rules you could try:

SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712",
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x153b", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0x1138",
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

Depending on what you've called the file in /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-
mixer/profile-sets you may need to amend the profile set name.

...if that doesn't work I'm stumped though.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Ciso]

This is the output:
01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 
[Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller [1412:1712] (rev 02)
Subsystem: TERRATEC Electronic GmbH Device [153b:1138]
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 19
I/O ports at d800 [size=32]
I/O ports at d480 [size=16]
I/O ports at d400 [size=16]
I/O ports at d080 [size=64]
Capabilities: 
Kernel driver in use: ICE1712
Kernel modules: snd-ice1712

Thank you for your support. If you think it's better, we can move this
discussion to the Ubuntu forum or in private.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

What does lspci -nnv tell you about the card?

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[Ciso]

Thank you, I tried but it didin't work. Maybe the via-ice1712.conf it's
not right for my soundcard.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

DMX6Fire - subsystem device id could be 0x1138?

(from http://envy24.svobodno.com/)

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Ciso]

I tried solution #63 without any results.
I have a DMX6Fire. Any idea of whan parameters should I change?

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Blackpixel]

@markus haider

It works!!! Finally I've spent 6 frustrating hours, trying to get my Delta 
1010lt to work!
what a relief ... Thank you so much

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[gfelix]

Hey thanks #63 fixed my M-Audio Audiophile 2496, too !!!

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Stefan Schweizer]

Comment #63 fixed my M-Audio Audiophile 2496. Thanks!

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[pablomme]

@markus: that's the fix in comment #37 above. There are other solutions,
and the one outlined in comment #63 (and earlier ones), replacing
"0xd634" with your subdevice IDs (which should be "0xd63b"), should be a
cleaner fix.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[markus haider]

However, I have a working solution:

I inserted the following two lines into /etc/pulse/default.pa
load-module module-alsa-sink sink_name=M1010LT_Analog_Out device=hw:M1010LT 
channels=10 channel_map=left,right,aux0,aux1,aux2,aux3,aux4,aux5,aux6,aux7
load-module module-alsa-source source_name=M1010LT_Analog_In device=hw:M1010LT 
channels=12 
channel_map=left,right,aux0,aux1,aux2,aux3,aux4,aux5,aux6,aux7,aux8,aux9

and uncommented the module-udev-detect section, but kept "load-module module 
detect" so that my onboard soundcard is working:
### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available
#.ifexists module-udev-detect.so
#load-module module-udev-detect
#.else
## Alternatively use the static hardware detection module (for systems that
## lack udev support)
load-module module-detect
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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[markus haider]

I installed the linux-backports-modules-alsa-karmic-generic package (for
Alsa 1.0.21), but did not get working sound

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[paul]

Well it's now working after uprading to Alsa 1.0.21.

I followed the instructions here : http://monespaceperso.org/blog-
en/2009/10/29/upgrade-alsa-1-0-21-on-ubuntu-karmic-koala-9-10/

After a reboot it just works, phew!

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[paul]

Well, this is very frustrating, this morning with 9.04 everything worked
fine and now with 9.10 try as I might I can't get any sound out. I'm
obviously missing some vital step but I don't know what it is. I've
purged and reinstalled alsa-base and pulseaudio, redone the
modifications several times and tried stop/start/reboots etc. Maybe I
should go back to 9.04?

As others have said, it seems strange that such a popular soundcard
(surely *the* most popular, for musicians) should be so hard to setup in
a major distribution. I suppose I'll try another distro :(

Thanks again for trying.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[paul]

thanks, I'm sure you're right; something is conflicting or is broken,
however I don't know what it is. I have neither /etc/asound.conf or
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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[pablomme]

@paul: make sure you don't leave changes from one solution when you try
another; I had a bit of a problem transitioning between two solutions
precisely because of this. Your comment:

>I was still getting sound out of Audacity [...] After numerous attempts
to reconfigure I now get no sound anywhere :(

suggests that you've done something which has broken ALSA, so any
fiddling with pulseaudio won't help until you undo whatever it is you
did there -- most likely you need to remove /etc/asound.conf and/or
~/.asoundrc, and forcing a reinstallation of ALSA and pulseaudio may
help to clear things up.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[paul]

Many thanks for the very quick responses - I tried each of the three
suggestions, sadly for me none of them worked.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Asmo Koskinen]

@Paul.

I have M-Audio Delta 66. I needed this one, only.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/178442/comments/30

This fix - just two lines added in that
'/usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf' file - works for me in Ubuntu
(Studio) Karmic AMD64. No need for purge PulseAudio or something or
touch udev rules. Just those two lines made my day.

slave.format S32_LE
slave.channels 10

Best Regards Asmo Koskinen.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Peter Rowe]

Paul, the following resurrected my M-Audio 2496 after ugrading to
Karmic.  Much gratitude to muttnik and JoeP!

1.  I edited /lib/udev/rules.d/90-pulseaudio.rules by adding this line
for the M2496.

SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712",
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0xd634",
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

Then saved as /etc/udev/rules.d/pulseaudio.rules

2.  I saved via-ice1712.conf from #53 to /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-
mixer/profile-sets/

Works for me.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[pablomme]

@paul: according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1268856
your card's subsystem device id is 0xd634, so you need to:

- Make sure you entirely remove any leftovers from previous attempts to
fix the problem.

- Create a file /etc/udev/rules.d/ice1712-pulseaudio-workaround.rules
with the following contents:

---
SUBSYSTEM!="sound", GOTO="ice1712_end"
ACTION!="change", GOTO="ice1712_end"
KERNEL!="card*", GOTO="ice1712_end"

SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712",
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0xd634",
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

LABEL="ice1712_end"
---

- Create a file /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/profile-sets/via-
ice1712.conf whose contents should be those of
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34620379/via-ice1712.conf, or those of the
second "code" block in
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7965283&postcount=4.

- I think you should be able to run "pulseaudio --kill && pulseaudio
--start" and have it working on the spot, but if not, try rebooting.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[paul]

My M-Audio Delta 2496 was working ok with 9.04 but now after an upgrade
to 9.10 I get no sound. I've tried some of the proposed fixes above, but
so far no luck. I'm unclear about which ones are needed to get this
working for the 2496 and 9.10 (some of the above links are quite old).

For info: after upgrading to 9.10 I was still getting sound out of
Audacity, I assume because it was using it's own harware config from pre
ugrade, so, the card works, however I had no sound in any other
application. After numerous attempts to reconfigure I now get no sound
anywhere :(

Can anyone help?

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ubby]

I also have a Dmx6fire 24/96 soundcard and the same problem.
I don't understand why this bug is still not solved because now there are many 
people who have no sound in Ubuntu 9.10.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[jpka]

I confirm it, but especially confirm bug #447092 which show exactly my
problem (works in 9.04, but not gives analog outputs in list under 9.10,
so no sound). My card is Dmx6fire 24/96. Thanks

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Trystan]

Many thanks. Also worked for my M-Audio Delta 410. For some reason,
pulseaudio worked with this card without such finagling under 9.04 but
broke on the 9.10 upgrade.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

Ah - so much for google this time! My card's a M2496 so I couldn't check
directly.

Thanks for the /etc/udev/rules.d tip - the file does get overwritten
when it's in the the other folder.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[JoeP]

Almost, ianc.

That didn't work on my system (Ubuntu 9.10, 32bit , Delta44).  I ran $
lspci -vvnnd1412: and noticed that the subsystem_device code for my
Delta 44 should be 0xd633 instead of 0xd630.   Once I made that change,
it worked perfectly.  As you said, the trick is identifying the correct
parameters.

I used a slight variation of muttnik's advice about adding the rule to
/lib/udev/rules.d/90-pulseaudio.rules.  There's a README in that
directory that says that local rules should go in /etc/udev/rules.d so
they don't get overwritten on system updates.  So I copied
/lib/udev/rules.d/90-pulseaudio.rules to
/etc/udev/rules.d/pulseaudio.rules and added the rule there.  According
to the docs, rule files without a leading number in the filename are
read last.

Thanks to muttnik and you for your posts here.  My Koala now has a
voice.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

er - and when that doesn't work (as it probably won't) you could try:

SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712",
ATTRS{subsystem_vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{subsystem_device}=="0xd630",
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

The trick is to correctly identify the parameters to match your specific
card.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[ianc]

Paulo - in /lib/udev/rules.d/90-pulseaudio.rules try:

SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0xd633",
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

rather than the string above.

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Paulo Wageck]

muttnik,

didn't work for me Koala 9.10 64bit M-audio delta 44

any new ideas?

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[muttnik]

Guess I should have simply attached my via-ice1712.conf file.  Word-wrap
wreaked havoc on it in my previous post.

** Attachment added: "via-ice1712.conf"
   http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34620379/via-ice1712.conf

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[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[muttnik]

I have found a solution that works to fix the missing Analogs for me.
The solution is based on the information provided in PulseAudio ticket
#624 here: http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/624 .

My card is the Delta 1010LT.  From my understanding of the ICE1712 cards
they are all the same internally, just the input/output connectors are
different from card to card.  I am running Ubuntu Karmic-rc so my
installed versions of pulseaudio, udev, alsa, etc... are compatible with
the fix described in PA ticket #624.

Here is a summary of what I learned from #624:
The ICE1712 card is properly recognized by alsa, its configuration is in 
"/usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1712.conf".  This file is basically a default 
asound.conf for the card shipped with alsa.  

When pulseaudio is started it attempts to create profiles for the card
each of which specifies how the card's inputs and outputs will be
mapped.  Unfortunately pulseaudio is not currently able to auto-generate
any profiles that support use of the card's analog inputs and outputs.
To fix this, the auto-generation of the profiles must be replaced for
this card with some static profile definitions.  Two modifications need
to be made to accomplish this: 1) addition of a udev rule to match the
ICE1712 card; 2) a static ICE1712 profile definitions file

1) Create the new udev rule in "/lib/udev/rules.d/90-pulseaudio.rules".  Here 
is the rule I added to the file to detect my 1010LT:
SUBSYSTEMS=="pci", ATTRS{vendor}=="0x1412", ATTRS{device}=="0x1712", 
ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="via-ice1712.conf"

The above rule is generic enough to match any pci card with the ICE1712
chipset.  It defines a value for "PULSE_PROFILE_SET" that contains the
name of the static profile definition to use with the card.

2) Create the static profile definition file "/usr/share/pulseaudio
/alsa-mixer/profile-sets/via-ice1712.conf".  I initially copied the file
exactly from ticket #624 attachments.  However I later made two
modifications to the file for my own purposes to allow separate
simultaneous use of each of the 1010LT's analog outputs and to map
inputs 3&4 to front-left and front-right.  My mods can be seen in the
sections entitled "[Mapping analog-mch-in]" and "[Mapping analog-mch-
out]".

 Begin via-ice1712.conf 
# This file is part of PulseAudio.
#
# PulseAudio is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as
# published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2.1 of the
# License, or (at your option) any later version.
#
# PulseAudio is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
# WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU
# General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU Lesser General Public License
# along with PulseAudio; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation,
# Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA.

; Via ICE1712 multi-channel audio chipset
;
; This chipset has up to four stereo pairs of input and four stereo pairs of
; output, named channels 1 to 8. Also available are separate S/PDIF stereo
; channels (input and output), and a separate "system-out" stereo jack that
; supports 6-channel hardware mixing.
;
; The S/PDIF stereo channels can be controlled via the mixer for hw:0, and
; additionally, the 8 main outputs can be loop-routed to a separate stereo
; input pair, available as channels 11 and 12.
;
; Many cards available from vendors do not expose all channels from this chip
; to an external port, which effectively reduces the number of channels that
; are useful to the user. However, the ALSA driver still exposes all channels
; even if they are not connected.
;
; We knowingly only define a subset of the theoretically possible
; mapping combinations as profiles here.
;
; See default.conf for an explanation on the directives used here.

[General]
auto-profiles = no

[Mapping analog-mch-in]
description = Analog Multi-Channel Main Input
device-strings = hw:%f,0
#channel-map = 
front-left,front-right,rear-left,rear-right,front-center,lfe,side-left,side-right,aux0,aux1,aux2,aux3
channel-map = 
aux0,aux1,front-left,front-right,aux2,aux3,aux4,aux5,aux6,aux7,aux8,aux9
direction = input

[Mapping analog-mch-out]
description = Analog Multi-Channel Main Output
device-strings = hw:%f,0
#channel-map = 
front-left,front-right,rear-left,rear-right,front-center,lfe,side-left,side-right,aux0,aux1
channel-map = front-left,front-right,aux0,aux1,aux2,aux3,aux4,aux5,aux6,aux7
direction = output

[Mapping digital-stereo]
description = Digital Stereo Input/Output
#device-strings = hw:%f,1
device-strings = iec958:%f
channel-map = left,right
direction = any

[Mapping analog-system-out]
description = Analog Stereo System-Out
device-strings = hw:%f,2
channel-map = left,right
direction = output


[Profile output:mch]
description = Multi-Channel Output Active (Digital Di

[Bug 178442] Re: Pulseaudio fails to initialize ICE1712 chipsets

[Asmo Koskinen]

Ubuntu Karmic RC & update & dist-upgrade

I have Delta 66, I needed fix/solution in #30, too. Please, fix this one
permanently.

Best Regards Asmo Koskinen.

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