[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-30 Thread era
Did you click through? This is "Unity Linux"
https://launchpad.net/unitylinux not the Unity desktop environment
wannabe. But I agree with your conclusion, and thank you for your
corrections and added details.  Perhaps Ubuntu should split linux-
firmware into linux-firmware-free and linux-firmware-nonfree (maybe
merge into the existing package) then?

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-30 Thread David Ayers
Hello Era,

AFAIU Unity https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity is more of a
desktop environment and has nothing to do with this issue.

There currently is no package named linux-firmware-free for Ubuntu on
launchpad to reopen any bug.  The Ubuntu packages are called linux-
firmware and linux-firmware-nonfree.

linux-firmware: This package provides firmware used by Linux kernel drivers.
linux-firmware-nonfree: This package provides non-free firmware used by Linux 
kernel drivers. Most of the firmware in this package is for television tuner 
cards. However, non-free firmware for other classes of devices are provided as 
well.

We assumed that these were maintained in sync and that linux-firmware
was only supposed to contain the free-software firmware while all
proprietary firmware should have went do linux-firmware-nonfree.  Based
on that assumption this report was opened, stating that the proprietary
intel firmware should be part of linux-firmware-nonfree instead of
linux-firmware.

But instead linux-firmware contains all firmware from the upstream
linux-firmware package, while linux-firmware-nonfree contains further
non-free firmware which is not in the linux-firmware upstream package.

Since this is not just a single misplaced firmware but linux-firmware
contains all firmware from upstream, including all the other proprietary
firmware, I believe that this report is the wrong place to track the
issue in, as it is specific to certain intel wireless firmware blobs.

Instead I would consider opening a new issue against the linux-firmware
package to address all non-free firmware.  Then possibly opening an
upstream report and link to it.  It may also be helpful to ask for the
linux-firmware-nonfree package to be renamed to linux-firmware-extra-
nonfree to hopefully avoid future confusion.

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-30 Thread era
So in other words this is a bug in Unity Linux (which as per
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware is the upstream for
the Ubuntu linux-firmware-free package) for including a non-free driver;
and in Ubuntu's own linux-firmware-nonfree package for not including the
driver.  A reasonable first step towards resolving this would appear to
be to approach the Unity upstream maintainers about removing the non-
free package; then it should be trivial for linux-firmware-nonfree to
pick it up.

However, I am not authorized to reopen the bug for linux-firmware-free.
Could somebody please step in?  Thanks in advance.

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-30 Thread David Ayers
I'm glad to accept that you have no personal interest in pursuing this.
That's fine since AFAIU you are not the sole maintainer of the linux-
firmware package.  Yet I do hope that maybe someone else from the Ubuntu
kernel-team may find interest in this.

Debian already splits all non-free firmware into seperate packages.  They then 
provide
http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/firmware-linux-nonfree
depending on all these separate packages, yet which also depends on the DSFG 
compliant firmware, which is combined in
http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/firmware-linux-free

What this report is asking for, is for Ubuntu to do the something
similar.  I (and possibly others) assumed that the Ubuntu split of
linux-firmware and linux-firmware-nonfree would mirror this.  But I
suppose that doesn't seem to be the case.  Yet I would expect it would
be easy for Ubuntu as a Debian derivative to build on the current Debian
infrastructure.

Fedora has explicitly exempted proprietary Firmware from the thier Free and 
Open Source Software policy. 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items so it may be that from the large 
distribution, Debian may be the only one insuring that proprietary firmware is 
not included in their main repository.

But indeed, if, as you suggest, this split were already done upstream
and upstream would provide seperate source packages, it would make it a
lot easier for any distribution to offer their users a free operating
system.

I doubt that asking any specific existing maintainer to do this extra
work will be helpful.  But if we could get someone (either from Debian,
from libre-kernel contributors or the many Debian/Ubuntu derivatives
which try to provide a Free Software distribution) to help Ben
Hutschings and David Woodhouse provide seperate upstream packages (or
host support to split the firmware for packaging), they may find it
acceptable and helpful for this group of users, who value free operating
systems.

Yet the fact remains this report is about this missing split in Ubuntu.
So please do not interpret it as a critique of your work (which is very
much appreciated!) if I reopen this report.  It is merely an
articulation of Ubuntu users' (and in my case canonical customers')
request for providing a free operating system.

Thank you for your time!

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-28 Thread Tim Gardner
The Ubuntu linux-firmware package is based on the upstream repository
mentioned in comment #19. Perhaps you should try convincing Ben
Hutchings or David Woodhouse of your position. I've little interest in
pursuing this.

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-27 Thread David Ayers
Tim, the fact that the firmware was distributed without the necessary
notices at the time, was a real issue and that has indeed been resolved.
With the new licensing Debian, Ubuntu and others are in compliance with
respect to the obligations to the copyright holders.   The fact that the
firmware was originally distributed without the proper notices should
have probably been tracked in a different report.  Yet that's not the
issue this bug report is about.

Both Debian and Ubuntu provide separate repositories for proprietary
software as a service to their users, some of whom value using free
software systems and others that just enjoy the distribution.  This bug
report is about the service of providing this distinction, not the legal
obligation that has indeed been resolved. That is why a say the original
issue being addressed by this report hasn't been resolved.

Please consider reopening this report so that the firmware will be
placed in the correct package... be it in restricted or multiverse.

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-27 Thread Troy James Sobotka
Actually, I don't believe I ever requested that Intel change their
license.

I merely was suggesting that A) it was in the wrong package, and B) that
in order to abide by the license the individual be presented with a
popup.

Of course, while the new license might be sufficient, it is clearly
outlined in http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=faq&s=license that the
older license for which this report pertains, is still in effect for
both of the drivers.


A. The important point is to make sure that the end user is notified that the 
firmware component is governed by an Intel license and provided with a copy of 
the license terms prior to downloading or using the software. 


There is also mention that a header license agreement could cover their
distribution.

While I have long since moved on from this, I suspect that the statement
"All ipw2x00 and iwlwifi firmware files now have appropriate licensing."
is actually incorrect as outlined in the link:


Q. The license for the binaries needed with the newer projects (ipw3945 and 
iwlwifi) seems much cleaner than the license for the ipw2100 and ipw2200.  Can 
you change the terms of the older license?

[ ipw2100 and ipw2200 specific ]

A. Unfortunately, no. Those binaries contain intellectual property licensed 
from third parties, and Intel must follow certain contractual obligations in 
licensing for those components. The ipw3945 and iwlwifi related binaries are 
all Intel-developed, and we are able to use a simplified license for that 
product.


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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-27 Thread Tim Gardner
Its been awhile, but IIRC our legal counsel ruled that it was sufficient
for firmware files to be freely redistributable and that the license be
distributed with the package per Debian policy.

This bug was originally about getting Intel to change the conditions of
the ipw2x00 EULA such that it met the criteria neccesary for inclusion
in the linux-firmware package. I believe it now does. So, no, I'm not
really interested in reopening this bug.

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-27 Thread David Ayers
I just dowloaded linux-firmware from kernel.org.  The license clearly states:
Copyright (c) 2006-2012, Intel Corporation.
All rights reserved.

Redistribution.  Redistribution and use in binary form, without
modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are
met:
...

This firmware really should be moved to linux-firmware-nonfree which is part of 
multiverse.
If it is significant enough that it should be available in restricted then a 
linux-firmware-restricted package in restricted should be considered.  But many 
of us rely on only Free Software/OSI Certified Licensed/DSFG free software in 
main.

Indeed a bug may have been fixed in the sense that the the obligations
of license are now met.  But this bug is about having this software in
the correct package.

Are there any objections in reopening this issue for both linux-firmware
and linux-firmware-nonfree?

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-26 Thread Sam Geeraerts
It may be so that adding the license information is sufficient to comply
with the requirement to agree with it. But the licenses of these
firmware files are still nonfree. Why aren't they moved to
restricted/multiverse?

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2012-09-26 Thread Tim Gardner
All ipw2x00 and iwlwifi firmware files now have appropriate licensing.
See the upstream repository at
git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-
firmware.git

** Changed in: linux-firmware (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

** Changed in: linux-firmware-nonfree (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2011-11-16 Thread Fred
Shouldn't these above mentioned firmware be moved to the linux-firmware-
nonfree package?

** Also affects: linux-firmware-nonfree (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2011-01-01 Thread Stefan Nagy
I think that the status 'Incomplete' (set by KarlGoetz) wasn't correct -
there was no need for more information from the reporter. The status
'Fix Released' (set by Jemery Foshee) wasn't correct either since the
problem still continues to exist (see my comment #14).

Since I'm confident that this report should be looked at by a developer
and has enough information (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status)
someone should set it back to 'Triaged'. Since I can't do that I'll set
it to 'Confirmed' for now.

** Changed in: linux-firmware (Ubuntu)
   Status: Expired => Confirmed

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2010-12-31 Thread Troy James Sobotka
Oh and look. The bug expires.

>From 2008 people.

As of Stefan Nagy's comment (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source
/linux-firmware/+bug/179139/comments/14) we see that there is still a
potential discrepancy or confusion.

This is still likely a violation of terms. This could be even illegal in
some countries if, in fact, the case of the EULA is being avoided or the
license issue is as it appears to be. See Mr. Nagy's links for further
information.

So can we treat this as the intelligent folks involved with Free
Software would be expected to?

Licenses form the backbone of much of what Ubuntu builds upon. Ignoring
them or apathy likely isn't pushing things forwards.

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2010-12-29 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
[Expired for linux-firmware (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity
for 60 days.]

** Changed in: linux-firmware (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2010-10-21 Thread Stefan Nagy
I don't really get it...

1. On the kernel-team mailing list Yingying Zhao from Intel writes on
Jan 05 2009 "We need to release the EULA together with the binary
firmware in Ubuntu images to resolve this legal issue. Packaging the
license files for ipw* and iwl* firmware in the "linux-firmware" is a
proper solution." (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-
team/2009-January/003996.html)  - And that's what happend.

2. In February Jeremy Foshee writes that Intel changed their licensing
(see comment #12).

3. The firmware terms and conditions
(http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=7) aswell as the
'Firmware Licence FAQ' (http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware_faq.php)
- which were last updated on Jun 09 2010 - state something completely
different. As I understand it the licence never changed.

Can please someone clearify this? Is this bug fixed?

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2010-10-16 Thread KarlGoetz
Hi Jeremy,
Is there a reference for the licence change? I'd be interested to read about it.

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2010-02-03 Thread Jeremy Foshee
Setting Fix Released as Intel changed their licensing.

-JFo

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Re: [Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2009-05-06 Thread KarlGoetz
On Thu, 07 May 2009 00:05:16 -
Dara Adib  wrote:

> Sorry, I should have been more clear in my explanation. Only the linux
> bug task is invalid, because this bug affects linux-firmware and not
> linux the kernel (which does not contain the binary firmware). The
> linux-firmware bug task is status "Triaged"; this bug is not closed as
> linux-firmware is still in main.
> 

Thanks for the clarification.
kk

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2009-05-06 Thread Dara Adib
This bug highlights a problem with the Ubuntu main licensing terms that
should be addressed.

The Ubuntu license policy[1] states:

All application software included in the Ubuntu main component:
Must include source code. The main component has a strict and non-negotiable 
requirement that application software included in it must come with full source 
code.
Must allow modification and distribution of modified copies under the same 
license. Just having the source code does not convey the same freedom as having 
the right to change it. Without the ability to modify software, the Ubuntu 
community cannot support software, fix bugs, translate it, or improve it.

However, the Ubuntu component description[2] makes an exception,
stating: "The licences for software applications in main must be free,
but main may also may contain binary firmware and selected fonts that
cannot be modified without permission from their authors. In all cases
redistribution is unencumbered."

This is problematic for the free software install option on Ubuntu
(which installs only main and universe packages), as well as free
derivatives of Ubuntu like gNewSense.

[1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/licensing
[2] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/components

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2009-05-06 Thread Dara Adib
Sorry, I should have been more clear in my explanation. Only the linux
bug task is invalid, because this bug affects linux-firmware and not
linux the kernel (which does not contain the binary firmware). The
linux-firmware bug task is status "Triaged"; this bug is not closed as
linux-firmware is still in main.

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Re: [Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2009-05-06 Thread KarlGoetz
On Wed, 06 May 2009 22:37:11 -
Dara Adib  wrote:

> Invalidating the linux bug task because the blob firmware is contained
> separately in the linux-firmware package for Ubuntu 8.10 and later
> (including 9.04 and Karmic).
> 
> ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
>Status: Incomplete => Invalid
> 

Its only invalid if linux-firmware is in restricted. Is that the case?
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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2009-05-06 Thread Dara Adib
Invalidating the linux bug task because the blob firmware is contained
separately in the linux-firmware package for Ubuntu 8.10 and later
(including 9.04 and Karmic).

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete => Invalid

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2009-05-06 Thread Sergio Zanchetta
The 18 month support period for Gutsy Gibbon 7.10 has reached its end of life -
http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-7.10-eol . As a result, we are closing the
linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 task. It would be helpful if you could test the
new Jaunty Jackalope 9.04 release and confirm if this issue remains -
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview. If the issue still 
exists with the Jaunty
release, please update this report by changing the Status of the "linux 
(Ubuntu)"
task from "Incomplete" to "New". Thanks in advance.

** Changed in: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Won't Fix

** Also affects: linux (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Incomplete

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2009-01-19 Thread Leann Ogasawara
Hi Troy,

There's been discussions regarding this on the Ubuntu kernel team
mailing list.  It should be getting resolved.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-January/003994.html

** Changed in: linux-firmware (Ubuntu)
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   Status: Confirmed => Triaged

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2009-01-03 Thread Troy James Sobotka
This is a rather serious legal foobar.  No progress on this bug report
has unfortunately pushed me to ask for an update.

Has there been any progress?  Does anyone care?

The evidence is extremely clear in this case and someone should at least
flag a EULA trip in the package.

It's problematic legally, and this is something everyone should be
extremely mindful of.

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2008-12-17 Thread Dara Adib
** Changed in: linux-firmware (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2008-11-11 Thread Leann Ogasawara
I'm reassigning this to the "linux-firmware" package.

** Changed in: linux-firmware (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 => linux-firmware

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[Bug 179139] Re: Intel Wireless Restrictions: ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

2008-06-06 Thread Troy James Sobotka
06/06/08:  Changed to reflect proper package.

** Summary changed:

- ipw2100 and like cards are not "free"
+ Intel Wireless Restrictions:  ipw2100, ipw2200 are not Free

** Description changed:

  The Intel series of wireless adapters requires the usage of a binary
  blob firmware.
  
  Should this not be treated as a 'restricted' driver?  Nvidia's driver
  also requires the binary blob approach and is listed as a 'restricted
  driver.'
+ 
+ In particular, please note that in order to utilize the firmware, the
+ end user is subject to a EULA (no mention in Ubuntu's installation
+ procedure):
+ 
+ EULA for ipw2100:  http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=4
+ EULA for ipw2200:  http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=7
+ 
+ The 3945 has a binary microcode blob that has a license as well, but
+ doesn't seem as crippling:
+ 
+ http://bughost.org/ipw3945/LICENSE

** Tags added: intel ipw2100 ipw2200 wireless

** Changed in: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: linux-meta => linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24

** Also affects: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Description changed:

  The Intel series of wireless adapters requires the usage of a binary
- blob firmware.
+ blob firmware.  In particular, consistent across all of the binary blob
+ firmware files is the following clause:
+ 
+ "Do not use or load this firmware (the "Software") until you have
+ carefully read the following terms and conditions. By loading or using
+ the Software, you agree to the terms of this Agreement. If you do not
+ wish to so agree, do not install or use the Software."
+ 
+ As such, the EULA is not presented to the user.  According to the web
+ page, one must accept the EULA before using the binary blob firmware.
  
  Should this not be treated as a 'restricted' driver?  Nvidia's driver
  also requires the binary blob approach and is listed as a 'restricted
- driver.'
+ driver' as it too requires an accepting of a EULA.
  
- In particular, please note that in order to utilize the firmware, the
- end user is subject to a EULA (no mention in Ubuntu's installation
- procedure):
- 
+ EULA locations for the relevant firmware blobs:
  EULA for ipw2100:  http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=4
  EULA for ipw2200:  http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=7
  
  The 3945 has a binary microcode blob that has a license as well, but
  doesn't seem as crippling:
  
  http://bughost.org/ipw3945/LICENSE

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