[Bug 1870585] Re: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default
** Changed in: systemd (Debian) Status: New => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870585 Title: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1870585/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1870585] Re: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default
Debian is going back to upstream behavior for this, and we will follow (except for extending the clean up age for /tmp to 30d). This will be in the next oracular upload, but we won't backport. ** Changed in: systemd (Ubuntu) Status: New => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870585 Title: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1870585/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1870585] Re: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default
** Changed in: systemd (Debian) Status: Unknown => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870585 Title: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1870585/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1870585] Re: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default
** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #966621 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=966621 ** Also affects: systemd (Debian) via https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=966621 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870585 Title: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1870585/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1870585] Re: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default
Having our own cleaning line in sosreport is certainly an option. No, I haven't made a new debian bug on this. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870585 Title: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1870585/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1870585] Re: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default
** Tags added: ddstreet -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870585 Title: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1870585/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1870585] Re: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default
Also, might I suggest that the sosreport package includes its own systemd tmpfiles.d config? Something like: # Remove sosreport files on each boot r! /var/tmp/sosreport-* or if the policy should be age-based instead of (or in addition to) removing each boot, something like: # Remove sosreports after 60 days e /var/tmp/sosreport-* - - - 60d -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870585 Title: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1870585/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1870585] Re: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default
> 4) It's commented out per https://bugs.debian.org/cgi- bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=773313 no, that's regarding a bug with the related x entries; the difference in behavior from upstream originates from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi- bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675422 To be clear: upstream behavior: /tmp: -by default, /tmp is a tmpfs (via tmp.mount service), so everything under it is lost each boot -however, if the tmp.mount service is disabled/removed, a 'normal' /tmp dir is created -with tmp.mount disabled, /tmp is *not* cleaned each boot - items are persistent -/tmp content is cleaned with 10d aging time /var/tmp: -there is no corresponding tmp.mount for /var/tmp, so it is just a normal (temp) dir -it is *not* cleaned each boot - items are persistent (this is correct per FHS) -/var/tmp content is cleaned with 30d aging time debian/ubuntu behavior: /tmp -debian removes (actually, moves) the tmp.mount service so it is not available (by default) -/tmp is thus a 'normal' (temp) dir -debian changes the tmp.conf entry for /tmp to be 'D' instead of 'q' -because it is 'D', all its content is removed each boot -debian removes the aging time so /tmp is *not* cleaned by age! /var/tmp -debian removes this tmpfiles.d entry completely, so this dir is NOT managed by tmpfiles -the dir is not created by systemd, but by 'base-files' pkg -/var/tmp content is *never cleaned up by systemd ever* -as a specific exception, /var/tmp/systemd-private-* content is configured separately as R!, which removes just those dirs, only at boot There is also a minor difference in that default upstream uses 'q' which (according to the docs) only has a meaningful difference for systems with a btrfs / fs. > In sosreport was comparing the difference between /tmp (Ubuntu/Debian) and /var/tmp (RH) and determined that as long as /var/tmp gets cleaned on a regular basis we would prefer /var/tmp. Also note that, except Debian/Ubuntu, systems using systemd will, by default, have /tmp configured as tmpfs, so dropping really large sosreports in there may not be good. Personally, I think there are really 3 changes to consider here, and they should be considered first for Debian and then for Ubuntu: 1. should /tmp change to a tmpfs, as upstream systemd defaults to? 2. should files under /tmp be removed with 10-day aging, as upstream systemd defaults to? 3. should files under /var/tmp be removed with 30-day aging, as upstream systemd defaults to? Again, personally, I think #1 is a significant policy change and I don't really see a strong reason to change our default behavior. For #2, since it's configured to be cleaned out each boot, I think a age-based cleaning policy isn't as important. A 10-day aging policy probably makes more sense when matched with upstream's default of using tmpfs. However, for #3, as /var/tmp is persistent storage, I tend to think *some* kind of age-based cleanup does make sense. I don't know if 30 days is the right number to move to from our current never-clean, but personally I think some finite cleanup policy would be good to set by default. Have you opened a Debian bug? ** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #773313 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=773313 ** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #675422 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675422 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870585 Title: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1870585/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 1870585] Re: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default
** Tags added: sosreport sts -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1870585 Title: Not cleaning /var/tmp by default To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1870585/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
