[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-07-10 Thread dhd
Yeah... I'm sorry, once I saw the text that comes up when you try to
change this bug's status, I realized what the problem was.

On the computer which has the problem, I had updated to Hardy slightly
before the official release, so I got the broken SCIM setup, and
subsequent updates were not able to fix it.

Can someone verify that SCIM doesn't use Shift-Space when you do enable
it?

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Re: [Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-07-10 Thread Vadim Peretokin
shift+space generates a space here...

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-07-10 Thread Hew
This bug was fixed months ago, before Hardy release, and I can confirm
it really has been fixed. Please find/report a new bug on your issue.
Thanks.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-07-10 Thread dhd
No this bug is not  fixed.  I am using Hardy and Shift-Space is bound to
... something, but not the space character, which drives meINSANE.  This
is totally unacceptable for anybody who is a fast touch typist.

In "Language Support", I do NOT have "complex character support"
enabled.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-07-10 Thread dhd
Even more ridiculous is that in the SCIM control panel, it doesn't list
Shift-Space as one of the hotkeys!  Only Ctrl-Space.

Am I just missing something here?  How can this bug be "fixed"?

I ended up disabling SCIM entirely with 'sudo im-switch -z all_ALL -s
none', but that's not a real solution.

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Re: [Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-05-20 Thread Alexander Jones
These aren't the forums. Please use http://answers.launchpad.net/ for
support requests!

This bug is fixed.


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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-05-20 Thread Michael Nash
Hello,

Apologies if my comments are irrelevant or superfluous, this is my first
time using the forums.

Whenever I log on, the SCIM keyboard icon appears by the date and time.
When I open a window, it turns to a Chinese character icon and whatever
I type turns to Chinese.

"System/Administration/Language Support -> disable the checkbox "Enable support 
to enter complex characters"
 - I've done this.

"sudo im-switch -z all_ALL -s none"
 - I've done this.

"for conf in ja_JP ko_KR zh_CN zh_HK zh_SG zh_TW all_ALL; do if LC_ALL=C 
update-alternatives --display xinput-${conf} | grep -q 'status is manual' && 
LC_ALL=C update-alternatives --display xinput-${conf} | grep -q 'currently 
points to .*scim-bridge'; then update-alternatives --auto xinput-${conf}; fi; 
done"
 - I've done this.

Yet the blasted thing still appears, and I still end up typing Chinese
every time I open a new window. I'm at the end of my tether, and I don't
really want to have to do a clean installation. Any more suggestions?

(If I've not provided enough information to be useful, please ask me
what you need to know and I'll get back to you a.s.a.p.)

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-14 Thread Anders
sorry of course that'd be exit status not exiSt-status

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-14 Thread Anders
I just ran an update and got: "An error occurred:The following details
are provided:E: scim: subprocess post-installation script returned error
exist-status 2"

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-14 Thread Martin Pitt
I sponsored and accepted Arne's recent debdiff.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-14 Thread Arne Goetje
This debdiff will clean up the scim-bridge entry for all_ALL in case
scim-bridge-agent was installed *before* the upgrade to scim
1.4.7-3ubuntu1 was made. This case has not been handled yet by scim
1.4.7-3ubuntu4.

Source package is available on people.ubuntu.com/~arne/scim/

Please sponsor.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-13 Thread Ming Hua
Commets about the newly proposed patch by Arne:

1. The update-alternatives setting reset should be put into some "if [
"$1" = configure ]; ...; fi" test, otherwise the command would be
unconditionally executed, and not desired for situations such as abort-
upgrade.

2. For the same reason, the old version $2 should be checked, so that it
only attempts to do this heavy-handing fix when upgrading from known-to-
be-broken versions.

3. I am still not quite sure whether preinst or postinst is the correct
place.  I would have put it in preinst.  But this is a minor thing.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-13 Thread Arne Goetje
Included the one-liner  above into scim

New packages are on people.ubuntu.com/~arne/scim/

Please sponsor!

Thanks

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-12 Thread Steve Langasek
SCIM is already fixed to only appear when complex character input is
enabled.

The problem is that a previous version of the scim package was broken in
a way that the wrong enabling of SCIM became sticky for those users who
had installed that broken version, even after upgrading to the fixed
version.

The following very long shell one-liner should reset all of the input
method configuration options that were broken by the previous scim
package, giving you a pristine state:

for conf in ja_JP ko_KR zh_CN zh_HK zh_SG zh_TW all_ALL; do if LC_ALL=C
update-alternatives --display xinput-${conf} | grep -q 'status is
manual' && LC_ALL=C update-alternatives --display xinput-${conf} | grep
-q 'currently points to .*scim-bridge'; then update-alternatives --auto
xinput-${conf}; fi; done

This may be included in an upcoming update of the scim package.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-12 Thread Lex Ross
Okay I do understand that for more complex languages then Russian and
Thai (like Chinese and Japanese for instance) SCIM may be required.
Meaning SCIM should only appear if complex characters input is enabled,
which is not my case. Could you please fix SCIM to appear only when
compex characters input is enabled.

Thanks.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-12 Thread Lex Ross
SCIM won't close in version 1.4.7-3ubuntu2
It is screwing my keyboard as well.  And yes, complex characters input is 
disabled in "Language Support"
I do have support for Russian language checked in because that's what I need. 
Not the keyboard support however. X can deal with that way better than SCIM 
does, and there is System->Settings->Keyboard dialog which does the job. SCIM 
on the other hand has Russian key table all wrong. And there is no apparent way 
to configure it. And it looks ugly. not to mention that s applet violates HIG 
policy. I vote to kill this monster for good.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-12 Thread Vadim Peretokin
I thought I had this but now I'm a bit confused.

What is the intended behavior of SCIM in the final release? Will it be
enabled/disabled by default? If enabled, what will be the keybinding for
it?

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Re: [Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-12 Thread Alexander Jones
SCIM won't be running if you disable complex character input in "Language
Support".

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Re: [Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-12 Thread wizard10000
What I did was remove the Shift-Space keybinding.  I originally griped
about that but my bug got combined with this one - which makes more
sense because scim shouldn't be running unless you need it anyway.

On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 12:05 +, Sarah Hobbs wrote:
> Even for a development release, not being able to type more than one or
> two words, due to scim screwing up and changing your input (after
> deleting the shortcuts to stop it triggering that way), is ridiculous,
> and well warrants people screaming.
> 
> You can't even report bugs if your keyboard input is screwing up *that*
> badly.
>

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-12 Thread Sarah Hobbs
Even for a development release, not being able to type more than one or
two words, due to scim screwing up and changing your input (after
deleting the shortcuts to stop it triggering that way), is ridiculous,
and well warrants people screaming.

You can't even report bugs if your keyboard input is screwing up *that*
badly.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-10 Thread Arne Goetje
This bug has been resolved in the latest scim, scim-bridge and 
language-selector packages.
Also, the current daily live CD image is fine.

This bug only affects those folks who are using Hardy for a longer time
already and updated frequently.

The proper way to disable scim is:
1. System -> Administration -> Language Support
2. uncheck the 'Enable support to enter complex characters' checkbox
3. restart your X session by logout/re-login or if this doesn't do the trick, 
reboot.

If this still does not do the trick, the following will definitely do:
Open a terminal window and type: sudo im-switch -z all_ALL -s none
After that, restart your X session. 

Explanation:
scim is running as daemon under the control of im-switch. To allow scim to grab 
the keyboard input, a bunch of environment variables need to be set within the 
X session. Toggeling the checkbox in Language Support will set/unset those 
variables. To get the changes into effect, a restart of the running X session 
is required.

Background:
For scim to work correctly in Ubuntu, the combination of im-switch, scim and 
language-selector is required, as well as several optional scim-modules for the 
actual input methods.
Before Hardy, the im-switch package was not seeded into the default desktop 
(and therefor into the live CD), which made it impossible to get scim working 
on the live CD without installing the language support packages for one of the 
CJK languages. As scim is also used by many other non-CJK users who don't have 
appropriate keyboard layouts available for their desired languages, we decided 
to seed im-switch, so that it can be used on the Live CD as well.
Some time in the past (during the Hardy development cycle), the function in 
Language Support to set/unset he environment variables, stopped working 
correctly and the environment variables got enabled by default for everyone. 
With the seeding of im-switch, this led to the behaviour which you experienced, 
but which was not intentional.
As we cannot detect who intentionally enabled scim support in their non-CJK 
locales and who didn't, we cannot solve this by script and manual interaction 
is required to disable scim support for those who don't want it.

And a comment to the 'Close' function in the scim gtk frontend:
This one only works when scim is started as a foreground process, but has no 
effect when scim is running in daemon mode.

And one more comment:
As this is a development version, such breakage may occur. For those of you who 
need a stable and reliable system, please use the current stable release.

** Changed in: scim (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-10 Thread Francisco Borges
If I close it. It will immediately restart.

I don't even have ANY non-latin15 language installed in this computer.

Why is this installed in the first place?

Why did you bother to ask about language support when I installed
Ubuntu?

Do I sound frustrated enough?

[...]

There is NO obvious way to turn this stupid program off.  The obvious
way being:

Right.click -> Exit
Right.click -> Configure -> Some obvious button for "disable this forever"

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-10 Thread Murat Güneş
According to the fix that closed it, and as per the discussion at [1],
as I understand, this bug was originally about SCIM being enabled for
all languages instead of non-European languages only. Has this decision
been changed? Is it intentional that it's enabled for all languages now?

[1] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/03/06/%23ubuntu-devel.html

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-10 Thread Martijn van de Streek
It also asks for a reboot(!) when you change the setting.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-10 Thread Martijn van de Streek
That's not what it looks like currently (it's in Language Settings,
which is global, not Keyboard Settings which is user-local)

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-10 Thread Martin Pitt
  mvo| pitti: it used to be a global setting, but after some discussion
it was decided it should be per-user

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Re: [Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-10 Thread Martijn van de Streek
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Vadim Peretokin wrote:

> scim people will simply enable scim if they need it (there's nothing
> wrong with that - it's a personal preference, so it would be
> understandable).

No, it's a global setting (System -> Administration, not System ->
Preferences)... if you enable "Complex input" support, ALL users on the
system get SCIM. 

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Re: [Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-10 Thread Vadim Peretokin
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Release Management-wise this should be fixed soon, since breaking
> keyboard input is one of the worst things we can do.
>
> Maybe the input switch can be triggered by a combination which will not
> hit accidentally all the time, very much *unlike* shift-space? what
> about both control keys, control+esc, or sth similar?


I thought about this, and in a way, it is still as dangerous as ever -
because someone, sometime, might happen to accidentally trigger it. Then
they'll be completely lost and confused, since the obscure combination will
be hard to duplicate. People who do have use for scim might find the
combination too hard to do too, and would need to change it themselves (and
complain about the bad default setting!).

I believe that the best way to go is to set a meaningful default shortcut
key, but have scim disabled by default. That way, non-scim people won't run
into the combination, and scim people will simply enable scim if they need
it (there's nothing wrong with that - it's a personal preference, so it
would be understandable). After enabling it, they'll also have a useful
shortcut key set for them, so they'll be all set.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-10 Thread Martin Pitt
Release Management-wise this should be fixed soon, since breaking
keyboard input is one of the worst things we can do.

Maybe the input switch can be triggered by a combination which will not
hit accidentally all the time, very much *unlike* shift-space? what
about both control keys, control+esc, or sth similar?

** Changed in: scim (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => High
 Assignee: (unassigned) => Arne Goetje (arnegoetje)
   Target: None => ubuntu-8.04-beta

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-09 Thread Alexander Jones
Furthermore, the keyboard shortcuts listed in SCIM setup collide with
window-manager codes for switching workspaces... e.g. Control-Alt-Right
for "Show input method menu".

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-09 Thread Alexander Jones
This has been winding me up since a few weeks of Hardy, too. Are we
shipping with SCIM on by default now? Or did I enable it myself without
really knowing what it was? If it's on by default, we absolutely have to
remove the Shift+Space keyboard shortcut as it is FAR too easy to
accidentally trigger. I didn't realise I had this habit of hitting
Shift+Space every time I type "I" until this started happening.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-09 Thread Bastian Becker
Can somebody please set the Importance to "critically" or "high"? This
is a really bad bug which makes you crazy...

BTW, I can confirm this bug on Hardy Heron A-6 with all updates on a
German-localized machine.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-09 Thread John Carr
This was really ing me off until I worked out it was Shift+Space and
Ctrl+Space. Still triggering it accidentally with an alarming and
annoying regularity.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-09 Thread John Leach
System/Administration/Language Support -> disable the checkbox "Enable
support to enter complex characters"

After applying this it tells me I need a reboot! Did it upgrade my
kernel?!!

So can someone confirm that this is not enabled by default now? The SCIM
gtk interface is utterly insane - I can't believe this is going to be
enabled by default.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-09 Thread Martijn van de Streek
And I'd expect KEYBOARD settings (like "I want to use complex
characters") to be in the KEYBOARD settings dialog, nog the LANGUAGE
settings dialog.

(can you tell I'm frustrated? I've just spent 30 minutes trying to get
rid of SCIM.. then I dpkg --purge'd it)

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-09 Thread Martijn van de Streek
Also, I've selected Dutch and English... which means I don't need
support for complex languages... if I do, I'll enable it.

Now if I had selected an interface language that needs complex
characters, I'd expect it to be enabled by default... but not for
everyone!

Also shift+space.. what have the SCIM devs been smoking?

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-09 Thread Wouter Stomp
Reopened: ON Right-click -> exit, the applet should not instantly
reappear, regardless of the setting in language support. Otherwise the
exit option should be removed from the right-click menu.

** Changed in: scim (Ubuntu)
   Status: Fix Released => Confirmed

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-08 Thread Ming Hua
This bug is labeled "Fix Released" by a developer.  If people are still
seeing this bug with up-to-date hardy, please say so and I'll reopen
this bug.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-08 Thread Vadim Peretokin
I do hope that the behavior of this will be changed in the final
release. It's absolutely unacceptable, and I don't think people who do
use scim will find this aggressive behavior helpful either.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-08 Thread Mario Vukelic
Ah, crap, somehow I overlooked the fix (it's late). I tried to uncheck
the option and it helped.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-08 Thread Mario Vukelic
I have this all the time, too, and within a short time two other guys
confirmed it on ubuntu-devel-discuss. Started two days ago or so, while
the scim updates happened in Hardy.

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-08 Thread Kristoffer Lundén
Whatዶ ዮኡ መአን ኢት"ስ ፊሸድ?

Oh, sorry. "What do you mean it's fixed?" is what I tried to type. But
since it auto-changes language all the time it's really hard to get it
right. Seems it uses SHIFT-space to switch to Amharic, which is
apparently extremely easy to hit by accident, is really surprising, and
gives no clue whatsoever to what happened.

That can't be a good design by any measure.

(PS I wasn't even trying to make a joke up there, that's what ACTUALLY
happened, it happens ALL the time for me).

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-06 Thread Arne Goetje
fixed in 1.4.7-3ubuntu2

** Changed in: scim (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid => Fix Released

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[Bug 199030] Re: Can't close SCIM

2008-03-05 Thread Arne Goetje
Won't do. SCIM is needed to type several complex scripts and therefor needed by 
many users.
If you want to disable SCIM, please do one of the following:

System/Administration/Language Support -> disable the checkbox "Enable
support to enter complex characters"

if this doesn't work, open a terminal and type the following:

sudo im-switch -z all_ALL -s none

This should disable SCIM permanently. For the changes to take effect,
you need to re-login.

** Changed in: scim (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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