[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-21 Thread Daniel T Chen
** Changed in: wireshark (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Triaged

** Summary changed:

- no run as root in menu in hardy
+ debian/control must Recommends menu to run with elevated privileges in hardy

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-21 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
The option is there in Hardy.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread Hewus
Thank you Nathan for your patches! Now that I think about it, I'm not
sure which would be better. The gksu fix would avoid the need for the
extra menu package on gnome systems, and essentially revert back to the
old behaviour. I assume the reasoning behind Debian changing to menu in
the first place was to support the other desktop environments (eg. KDE).
In this case, it's probably best to replace the existing recommend for
gksu to menu (I assume there would then be no need for gksu?).
Disclaimer: I'm not a developer, so if I'm way off the mark, feel free
to completely discard my suggestions :-).

Mathieu: You're right. This would be nice to include for 8.04.1, since
it's a regression from previous releases. Wireshark as root is broken
as-is, so there shouldn't be a problem getting a SRU for this small fix.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread Nathan Handler
Hewus, I did not notice that gksu was listed as a Recommended package.
If we are replacing gksu with menu, then menu should probably be a
recommended package instead of a dependency. Since most package managers
automatically install recommended packages, we shouldn't run into any
issues. Here is a new debdiff that simply replaces gksu with menu as a
recommended package.

wireshark (1.0.0-3ubuntu1) intrepid; urgency=low

  * Replace gksu with menu in Recommends (LP: #209084)
  * Modify Maintainer value to match the DebianMaintainerField
specification.

 -- Nathan Handler [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:41:30
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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread otzenpunk
 If we are replacing gksu with menu, then menu should probably be a
recommended package instead of a dependency.

I think, I don't like that very much. I, for example, regularly disable
automatic installation of recommended packages, and I'm sure I'm not
alone. This is in this case no problem, because gksu is installed by
default, but menu is not, and without a working as root menu entry,
wireshark is near useless.

Although I understand, that that's maybe not the same on Kubuntu or
other *buntu systems, so that there should better be a cross platform
solution.

If you don't want to make menu a dependency, maybe there would be a way
to recommend gksu | menu, (and maybe kdesudo, too) and use either one or
the other? Perhaps a simple shell script wireshark_as_root which checks
for the existence of various become root programs and execs one of it
would do it.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread otzenpunk
I think, this thread may be of interest:

http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg20136.html

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread Hewus
If you disable the installation of recommended packages, then you have
to accept a loss of functionality, such as the missing menu entry for
the wireshark (root) option. Wireshark does not require gksu/menu to
provide core functionality, so making it a dependency is inappropriate.
For an advanced user who explicitly chooses not install this recommended
package, I think it's reasonable for the entry not to exist. Remember,
this is no different to the way it currently works (at least before this
broken version); if you do not have gksu installed, then you have no
root menu entry. Wireshark can still be used, but if the user makes the
decision not to install the recommended package, it should be up to them
to work around the missing functionality.

I think the best option here is the latest patch submitted by Nathan.
Changing a single word solves our problems :-)

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread Hewus
I posted before I read your last comment, otzenpunk. That is a great
thread that really clears up the situation! This menu package is likely
to become more important in future releases, so it is more likely to
already be installed on a user's system anyway. The last patch by Nathan
is the way to go.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread otzenpunk
@Hewus:
If menu will be the standard for that in the future, say in Intrepid, then it 
will certainly be o.k, and maybe a better solution than now. But currently, 
this would be a weird exception. Everything else uses gksu in their .desktop 
files on Ubuntu, be it wireshark-comparable tools like ettercap or etherape, or 
system tools like synaptic, gparted or display-config. Just grep for gksu resp. 
su-to-root in your /usr/share/applications and see what I mean.

This should not be decided on a per package basis, but by policy, and at
the moment, either policy or best practice seems to be to use gksu. So I
would prefer at least to include it with the same functionality as in
Gutsy without mandatory recommendation/dependencies on another package
with no other use for.

I agree with you, that a dependency on menu is not the right thing to
do, because there may be one or the other, who only want to use
wireshark to analyze logs or don't use the menu entries at all. So I
would either prefer to stay with gksu, as it was in Gutsy and as other
packages do it, or use gksu, su-to-root and maybe kdesudo as multiple
working alternatives, like explained above.

gksu is already included in ubuntu-, xubuntu-, edubuntu- and gobuntu-
desktop, and if you install recommended packages per default, as you say
is the way to do, even many KDE users would have it already on their
systems. I do not see the point of making a solo run here.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread otzenpunk
So my proposal is this:

The attachment is supposed to be installed as /usr/bin/wireshark-root.
It tries su-to-root, gksu and kdesudo in this order, (although I don't
know if I got the options for kdesudo right), and when nothing's there
it opens x-terminal-emulator with plain sudo.

wireshark-root.desktop should include the following lines:
TryExec=wireshark-root
Exec=wireshark-root

And the wireshark package should recommend menu | gksu | kdesudo as
alternatives.


** Attachment added: /usr/bin/wireshark-root
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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread Nathan Handler
Let me try to clear some things up. su-to-root will automatically call
either gksu (default) or kdesu (when being launched under KDE) for
better integration into the running desktop environment. Otzenpunk's
script seems to attempt to do the same thing. One issue I have come
across is that menu does not suggests gksu, kdebase-bin, kdebase-
runtime, or sux. It does not depend on them. As a result, By just adding
menu as a recommended package in wireshark, we are not guaranteeing that
the user is able to use gksu (or any of the variants). Personally, I
think we should recommend menu in wireshark, and then try to get menu to
depend on (instead of suggest) gksu, kdebase-bin, kdebase-runtime, or
sux.

I am not sure what Debian/Ubuntu policy has to say about this. gksu is
fine for use on Ubuntu. However, I don't think we should be using it for
applications installed on Kubuntu. su-to-root was designed to solve this
issue. I think it is much simpler to recommend menu, and then use su-to-
root for the .desktop file than to have to create a custom shell script
like Otzenpunk did, for each application that needs to be run as root.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread otzenpunk
 su-to-root will automatically call either gksu (default) or kdesu
(when being launched under KDE) for better integration into the running
desktop environment.

Yes, I know that. I've just put it on top of my selection, because it
tries to detect the currently running desktop environment, and so it
calls kdesu on KDE even if you happen to have gksu installed, too. Thus
it is the best choice, if you have it already on your system.

But we should differentiate between the better solution on the long run,
and what to do now. Hardy is an LTS version at the beginning of its
lifecycle, wireshark is nearly useless without root permissions and the
absence of an appropriate menu entry is confusing to users. So there
should come an updated package for Hardy, and I don't think that adding
dependencies and doing it in a way totally different from every other
package is the right thing to do.

Regarding the future, the Debian way seems to be to use su-to-root. But
that doesn't mean for sure that Ubuntu will follow this way. Even among
the Debian people it's not totally clear. If you've read the whole
thread I've linked above, you've noticed that there are proposals to
move su-to-root out of the menu package, either into debianutils or into
its own stand-alone deb, to address the dependency/suggest problem you
mentioned above.

But the Ubuntu policy on this topic should not be discussed here. I'm
not a developer and I'm not very familiar with the way those things are
handled but this is a design decision concerning the whole distribution
and should be decided globally in a more central place than this is.

Bringing gksu back into the .desktop file would fix the regression for
everyone using Gnome or Xfce and would at least keep the status quo for
the others, too, which is they don't have the root entry in the menu. My
proposal with this tiny script was, to make the situation better for
this second group while not making it worse for anyone else. Not as a
solution forever, but for Hardy and until the Ubuntu decision makers
have made a generic choice how to handle this in the future.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread Nathan Handler
You are right. The policy won't be decided by this bug. I have provided
two different debdiffs. One of them uses gksu, and the other uses su-to-
root. I feel there is no point in further debate over which is the
better solution. We should let a MOTU make the final decision about
which debdiff should be used.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-15 Thread otzenpunk
That's ok for me, of course.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-14 Thread Nathan Handler
** Changed in: wireshark (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Nathan Handler (nhandler)
   Status: Confirmed = In Progress

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-14 Thread Nathan Handler
wireshark (1.0.0-3ubuntu1) intrepid; urgency=low

  * Add menu as a wireshark dependency (LP: #209084)
  * Modify Maintainer value to match the DebianMaintainerField
specification.

 -- Nathan Handler [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:09:02
-0500

** Attachment added: wireshark_1.0.0-3ubuntu1.debdiff
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** Changed in: wireshark (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: Nathan Handler (nhandler) = (unassigned)
   Status: In Progress = Confirmed

** Tags added: patch

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-14 Thread Nathan Handler
wireshark (1.0.0-3ubuntu1) intrepid; urgency=low

  * Modify wireshark-root.desktop to use gksu instead
of su-to-root (LP: #209084)
  * Modify Maintainer value to match the DebianMaintainerField
specification.

 -- Nathan Handler [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:22:20
-0500

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-14 Thread Nathan Handler
There were two solutions suggested in this thread. The first was
replacing su-to-root with gksu in the .desktop file. The second was
adding menu as a dependency of wireshark. I have prepared a debdiff for
both of these suggestions.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-14 Thread Mathieu Gaspard
As Hardy is LTS, shouldn't it be done in Hardy too?

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-07 Thread Hewus
** Description changed:

  in hardy beta, there is no option or menu entry to run wireshark as root, 
this used to be available in gutsy,
  this function is quite handy.
+ 
+ WORKAROUND/FIX:
+ 
+ These lines in wireshark-root.desktop simply need to be changed from:
+ 
+ TryExec=su-to-root
+ Exec=su-to-root -X -c /usr/bin/wireshark
+ 
+ back to:
+ 
+ TryExec=gksu
+ Exec=gksu -u root /usr/bin/wireshark

** Tags added: bitesize desktop-file regression

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-06-03 Thread LosD
This is of course a regression, and as such is pretty high-priority.
Especially since Wireshark is useless (except for looking at old
captures) without it.

This fix is even easy, letting Wireshark depend on menu.

btw, any (good) reasons for using Yet-another-Sudo-Replacement?

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-05-02 Thread jhodapp
I have the same problem, no root menu entry. I've of course added this
myself, but it doesn't seem to have come back at all even after fully
upgrading to Hardy stable release.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-05-02 Thread Hewus
gksu has simply been replaced with su-to-root. This should be an easy
regression to fix. Can someone mark this as low priority? This simple
bug needs to be shown some love :-)

Diff attached of wireshark-root.desktop from 0.99.6rel-3ubuntu0.1
(gutsy) to 1.0.0-1 (hardy).

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-25 Thread David Pearce
8.04 release
I have recreated the as root menu entry with the gksu -u root 
/usr/bin/wireshark command line as in 7.10
When I select this, wireshark starts and asks for password.
The interfaces are shown in the capture menu
Selecting an interface causes the capture window to stop responding.

Running sudo wireshark in a terminal works normally

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-16 Thread Albert Damen
I just run into the same problem. The wireshark-root desktop file has
the line: TryExec=su-to-root. However, the su-to-root program did not
exist on my system. It is provided by the menu package, and installing
this package made the wireshark (as root) option appear.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-04 Thread Hewus
Just updated to Wireshark 1.0 and I can confirm this issue still exists.
Gutsy had the root menu option but Hardy does not. Was this accidentally
or intentionally removed? Without Wireshark as root, you cannot use the
program for its primary purpose. Having to revert to a command is
unsatisfactory; Gutsy had it right. If there is to be only one Wireshark
option in the menu, then it should be the one that runs as root, but I
believe most users who have chosen to install Wireshark would be happy
having both options in their menu. It's better to have both options
there by default (with the ability to disable them if desired), rather
than having only the crippled option and having to add the useful one
manually.

** Changed in: wireshark (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = Confirmed

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-04 Thread Stephan Klein
As far as I can see the wireshark package does provide two .desktop
files:

/usr/share/applications/wireshark-root.desktop
/usr/share/applications/wireshark.desktop

They're both present, visible and working in my default installation.
Can you verify that these files exist in your system (and are provided
by the wireshark package). You can see which files a package has
installed by right clicking it in Synaptic and selecting Properties,
then go to Installed Files.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-04 Thread Hewus
Yes, both files exist, and they are listed as installed by wireshark
through synaptic.

I created a diff between wireshark.desktop and wireshark-root.desktop in
case it is useful to you.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-03 Thread Stephan Klein
With the latest version in the Hardy repos, does this issue still happen to you?
I have the menu entry present and working here.

** Changed in: wireshark (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Incomplete

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-03 Thread Loell Anthony Erecre
mine here, still has no root menu entry.

I did an update,  remove wireshark and wireshark-common with a purge,
and deleted the archive deb from the cache, and reinstalled wireshark,
still no change in the menu entry.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-03 Thread d_smith
Harassing?
Nice-
Good luck, pal. I'm not wasting my time with this bug anymore and I did offer 
a solution (which you failed to mention you had already done in the first 
place)...  Perhaps if you had offered that information in the original report I 
would not have been drawn in by a misguided interest in helping out. So you can 
save your clever remarks, I won't be reading them.
Part of this process is driven by user input to help unburden the devs. They 
make the call, yes, but people around here are throwing the B word about way 
too liberally. I did not tag this incomplete, by the way...
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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-03 Thread Loell Anthony Erecre
bye, hope you can help others though..

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-02 Thread Loell Anthony Erecre
** Changed in: wireshark (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-02 Thread d_smith
I have used it in Gutsy and other distros going back to when it was
still Ethereal. Sorry if you feel I carelessly flipped it to a question,
but it is pretty straight-forward to add it (or any app) back to the
menu. Application selection can and does change between versions in all
distros, so I stand by calling it a question. At the worst it may be an
oversight, but it is certainly not a bug...

Did you add it back using the process I offered and did it work?

And I do agree running wireshark as a normal user is pretty much a waste
of time.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-02 Thread d_smith
I am not going to flip it back to a question (even tough it is), but
IMHO, there are far more pressing issues that need dev attention than
not having wireshark as root in the gnome menu by default. If you
understand the data wireshark captures, there's no doubt you have the
capacity to edit the gnome menu...

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-04-02 Thread Loell Anthony Erecre
why do you insist that this is a question? if this is a question, i
would have just ask in ubuntuforums.

i am fully capable of editing the menu, i already did before  filing
this.

clearly this was added in gutsy,  find another bug thread to harass!!

 you are not an Ubuntu developer, they will be the judge on what
priority level this bug is, not you.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-03-31 Thread Marcel van Beurden
I can confirm this. Running Wireshark as a normal is not useful as you
are not allowed to monitor any interfaces.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-03-30 Thread Loell Anthony Erecre
** Changed in: wireshark (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid = New

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-03-29 Thread d_smith
Try this in terminal, gksu -u root /usr/bin/wireshark or create a
shortcut with the command...

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-03-29 Thread Loell Anthony Erecre
nope not a question,  if you've actually used wireshark in gutsy then
you know what i mean.

like i said this feature is offered in gutsy , unless there was a
decision to remove this feature in hardy.

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-03-29 Thread d_smith
Seems to be a question, not a bug...

How can I add Wireshark (as roo)t to the Gnome Menu?

Right click the Gnome Menu, Edit Menu, see if Wireshark (as Root) is listed 
under Internet and check it's box if it is.
If not, use the gksu -u root /usr/bin/wireshark command as a New Item and 
place where you like in the menu.
Have fun!

** Changed in: wireshark (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Invalid

** bug changed to question:
   https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wireshark/+question/28403

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-03-29 Thread Loell Anthony Erecre
please don't carelessly convert this bug as a question...

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[Bug 209084] Re: no run as root in menu in hardy

2008-03-29 Thread Loell Anthony Erecre
its offered in gutsy, so its a bug..

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