[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Very annoying bug for distro with such claim. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Same bug. Same annoying! -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
ubuntu ships the current GNOME version every cycle that's not an error if you don't want it you can still use the lts version -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Just because it's consistent with your policy doesn't mean the policy itself is not an error. I shouldn't have to stay with a previous version of the distro in order to avoid total and complete breakage of a useful feature (with no replacement in sight). Not to mention that downgrading to a previous version is vastly more work than the upgrade. Ubuntu was an attractive distro precisely because it was slick, and had a high proportion of things Just Working out of the box. With several highly irritating regressions in each of the last few releases, I'm really beginning to think they've completely lost the plot on this front. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 12:33:56AM -, Kees Kuip wrote: At the top of the page I see a link to bugzilla of gnome: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536685 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552387 is probably the better bug to track. 536685 refers more to a bug in migrating to the new version. Is this the description of the upstream bug? If it is so then I think a wrong bug is reported! Also I don't see any links back from that bug to this thread. So that upstream can see what the problems are. Upstream is well aware of it. If you follow that bug you may even find some amusing bits. -- Chris Dukes In cynicism she's about 35 -- Terry Pratchett's Hog Father -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Dammit, I should have waited longer before updating. This is *NOT* a low priority bug. It's the first one (there are more) that a user encounters. How could this go unnoticed in the release candidate? -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
How about something like this in the release notes, under Other Known issues: User sessions are not currently saved on logout. The simple workaround is to add the programs you need to start to the auto-start menu. We are awaiting a fix from upstream, and expect to fix it in a post-release update. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 . -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
discussing the setting will not change the fact that the bug is an upstream one and will require upstream work too ** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu) Importance: Low = Medium -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Of course, the fact that it's an upstream bug doesn't alter the fact that Ubuntu has made a serious error in judgement to move to a version of Gnome with such a serious regression. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
At the top of the page I see a link to bugzilla of gnome: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536685 Is this the description of the upstream bug? If it is so then I think a wrong bug is reported! Also I don't see any links back from that bug to this thread. So that upstream can see what the problems are. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Hi Kees, Someone has a workaround, but it requires a bit of effort, so it seems: http://blogs.sun.com/mattman/entry/gnome_2_24_session_save1. The easiest way is have Gnome start your apps by setting them in your gnome-session-properties (System - Preferences - Sessions), but it's not the same as saving your session. Another workaround is hibernate your computer instead of shutting it down. At work I depend heavily on saving sessions, so I'm a bit crippled too. Cheers, R. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
I just upgraded to Intrepid and have this bug. It is very very annoying. Please mark this bug has high priority. Is there a workaround? a quick-dirty fix? -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Please include this so important and annoying bug in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes Becoming more and more people that are being upgraded is discovering it. I think it is so important and annoying to be appointed. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
I agree that this bug should be a high priority fix as many users of previous releases are used to this option and expect it to work in the next release. I have this problem and it is _very_ annoying! -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:01:56PM -, Mozg wrote: I agree that this bug should be a high priority fix as many users of previous releases are used to this option and expect it to work in the next release. I have this problem and it is _very_ annoying! Complaining to the ubuntu bug tracker about a serious defect in upstream gnome won't get anything fixed. However, you might want to complain that there is no mention of the gnome 2.24.x design problem mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes As for the bug with upstream... Start following http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552387 I strongly suspect that Sebastien is already tracking this upstream bug and will apply the fixes from upstream as soon as they are available. Hopefully Gnome upstream will have a fix shortly after the 30th. Otherwise, hopefully Gnome upstream will fix it by April :-). -- Chris Dukes In cynicism she's about 35 -- Terry Pratchett's Hog Father -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
I have this same issue after upgrading, session is not saved, I had removed ~/.gnome2/session for test and it is not created now. Session Save is a very important feature, I agree that this bug should be a high priority fix. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
I can't believe that this so upset and seriously bug still hapens in a RC!. Are we supposed to be that every time you turn on the PC into intrepid run all the applications?, skype, pidgim, evolution, terminal, etc.. every time.!? This marked low and it would be one of the most annoying bugs so far. Amazing and worrying. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
you should comment upstream the ubuntu desktop team doesn't have the ressources to work on such changes right now, you can add softwares to the session start though -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
i have to second this opinion! this is a serious regression! 'low' is way to low ;). -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Is this really low priority? I find it extremely irritating that none of my applications are restarted when I log back in. It's even more irritating that Gnome claims to be able to do this! I think the same. Low priority?. This makes my system almost unusable. With low characteristics of the 90 systems. This should not happen even in a Beta. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 06:02:10PM -, Lukas Hejtmanek wrote: Yes, the firefox is just killed. Anyway, gnome-session-properties complains that saving session is not implemented yet :) And I don't see any session file under ~/.gnome2, ~/.gnome2_private, ~/.config the new session protocol has each app that supports it (Which as far as I can tell are the apps in gnome-session and nothing else) directs each application to store session information in gconf2. Backwards compatibility still remains on the todo list. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in The GNOME 2 Session Manager: New Status in “gnome-session” source package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: gnome-session The latest gnome-session in Ubuntu/intrepid does not restore saved session at all. It does not start window manager (I'm not using craps like compiz or metacity, I'm using openbox, but /usr/bin/gnome-wm correctly starts the openbox). I have gnome-session: 2.23.4.1-0ubuntu1 I did gnome-session-save before quiting the session but nothing is restored. Moreover, I use save session on exit option. -- Chris Dukes In cynicism she's about 35 -- Terry Pratchett's Hog Father -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
the new session protocol has each app that supports it (Which as far as I can tell are the apps in gnome-session and nothing else) directs each application to store session information in gconf2. I wonder who starts all the applications that have their session saved in gconf2. I don't care whether application remembers its last state, but I care that applications do not start again as they were. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
pakraticus: As far as I know, GNOME *didn't* switch to a new session protocol. There are plans to eventually do that, but, for the time being, the session protocol continues to be XSMP. You may be confused by the fact that the GNOME 2.24 release notes mention DBus for session management, but, as far as I understand it, this is just an interface to control the session manager itself (start the shutdown sequence, for example). -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
First, correction: GNOME is indeed switching to a new D-Bus-based protocol for session management, but the new session manager *should have legacy support for XSMP*. The latest documentation seem to be http://live.gnome.org/SessionManagement/GnomeSession and XSMP is mentioned there prominently. Also on my machine, the session manager is indeed creating the SESSION_MANAGER environment variable needed by XSMP clients, and the variable points to a UNIX domain socket as expected. Some further observation gives me the impression that, in intrepid, the session is not being saved at all, and that applications aren't being shut down cleanly. Try, for example, starting firefox, loading a page, logging out from the GNOME session, logging in again, and starting firefox again (it won't be restarted automatically, anyway.) Firefox will then report that the previous session was ended forcefully, and ask if its state should be restored. I tried with other applications, such as OpenOffice and Lyx (just open a new document, put some text in it, and log out from GNOME) and this leads to data loss. So I don't think this problem should be considered low priority, it isn't just anoying, it is rather dangerous. Also, Sebastien, the linked upstream bug doesn't really seem to be related to this problem. As far as I understand it, it has to do with the new session manager not being able to restore old session data, saved by the older session manager. Can people please check if they can repeat my results with Firefox and OpenOffice? -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Yes, the firefox is just killed. Anyway, gnome-session-properties complains that saving session is not implemented yet :) And I don't see any session file under ~/.gnome2, ~/.gnome2_private, ~/.config -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 04:06:03AM -, Johne wrote: This isn't something that Ubuntu can really fix anyhow. Only Gnome's developers should be willing to spend the time to fix, not Ubuntu's. Well, there's a fix, but at this point it would be a mess. Revert to 2.22.x GNOME. Upgrade to 2.24.x GNOME when either 1) gnome-session is able to properly handle the legacy session protocol. (Preferable, breaks the fewest apps). 2) The new protocol is adopted by KDE as well and a significant number of apps support the new protocol. (Acceptable, but can lead to a few annoyances). 3) A significant portion of gnome-core 2.24.x supports the new protocol. Then there is politeness. Include in /usr/share/doc/gnome-session a file indicating that GNOME upstream broke backwards compatibility with the old session management protocol and why it was considered a good idea for ubuntu to upgrade anyways. Being able to have applications automatically start up when I log in where I want them has been a standard part of my computing experience for 18 years now. Being able to do that without having to drag out 'vi' has been part of my experience for 7 or 8 years now. -- Chris Dukes In cynicism she's about 35 -- Terry Pratchett's Hog Father -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
This isn't something that Ubuntu can really fix anyhow. Only Gnome's developers should be willing to spend the time to fix, not Ubuntu's. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Is this really low priority? I find it extremely irritating that none of my applications are restarted when I log back in. It's even more irritating that Gnome claims to be able to do this! Also, is gnome-terminal really a legacy application? For years, I've had applications automatically started upon login -- I would consider this bug a serious regression. (Imagine the press after Intrepid is released: It's 2008 and Ubuntu can't ship a distro that remembers what applications to start when logging in!) There seems to be no activity on the upstream bug; is there any work within the Ubuntu community to do something about this? -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
Sebatien, Would you be kind enough to point us to the mailing list or WIKI that discusses these upstream issues? Per the August 8th changelog entry within the gnome-session source indicates this was fixed. Traffic on the desktop-devel-list is somewhat sparse after the initial proposal to revamp gnome-session to dbus instead of xsmp. Traffic to gnome-list concerning the problem seems to be 2.22 oriented. Nothing is mentioned in the Gnome 2.24 showstopper review. A quick review of the desktop files generated for gnome-terminal indicate that gnome-terminal does not currently have AutostartCondition nor X-GNOME-Autostart-*. Reading through the proposal thread http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2008-June/msg00210.html indicates that xsmp was completely dropped in favor of the new session protocol with no concern over legacy apps, including core gnome apps such as gnome-terminal This is not known upstream issues. This is This will never work for legacy applications. A warning of some sort in /usr/share/doc/gnome-session directing annoyed users to the guilty parties would have been appreciated. -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
the upstream bug reference is listed several times on the launchpad bug page, in the bugs table and in the sidebar -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
thank you for your bug report, those are known upstream issues ** Changed in: gnome-session (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Low Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) Status: New = Triaged ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #536685 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536685 ** Also affects: gnome-session via http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536685 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 249373] Re: gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session
** Changed in: gnome-session Status: Unknown = New -- gnome session does not start window manager nor restores the previous session https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/249373 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
