[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Dao+bmo
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2020-05-08 Thread Masayuki
Hey, I said, "If you think that it's not enough to reserve shortcut keys
for some functions, please file a bug for each shortcut key".

And Ctrl+N, Ctrl+W and Ctrl+T should work on Windows. They are reserved
shortcut keys.

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2020-05-08 Thread Arni2033
Release Note Request (optional, but appreciated)
[Why is this notable]:  Anyone who ever used Firefox is aware of this annoying 
bug, and now it's fixed
[Suggested wording]:Reserved Firefox shortcuts now work in plugins like 
Flash & Acrobat Reader
[Links (documentation, blog post, etc)]:   
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78414#c676

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2020-05-08 Thread Arni2033
>>>   My Info:   Win7_64, Nightly 49, 32bit, ID 20160526082509
(all bugs mentioned in comment 676 , comment 677 are already 
fixed)
STR:
1. Open attachment 8675621
2. Click in searchbar, then click on the flash
3. Press  Ctrl+L,  or one of the following:  Ctrl+N,  Ctrl+W,  Ctrl+F4,  
Ctrl+T,  Ctrl+Tab

AR:  None of them work  (tested in both e10s and non-e10s modes)
ER:  At least some said hotkeys should work (it's really UNCLEAR what hotkeys 
exactly are "reserved")

So I will (try to) reopen this if there's no reasonable response from
your side in 24 hours.

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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Vseerror
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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Liz Henry
Removing the release note flag. Whatever was going on here was happening
in the Firefox 48 timeframe.

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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Masayuki
FYI:

Windows specific fix: bug 1257759
Mac specific fix: bug 1257760

And note that this is WONTFIX on Linux due to event handling model
limitation, technically.

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2020-05-08 Thread Masayuki
This is now (Fx 48~), fixed by bug 1203059 only for "reserved" shortcut
keys.

If you think that it's not enough to reserve shortcut keys for some
functions, please file a bug for each shortcut key.

Our agreement is, we do NOT enable whole shortcut keys on plugins, e.g.,
Ctrl+C, etc. So, be careful when you judge if a shortcut key should be
"reserved".

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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Masayuki
And nobody shouldn't reopen this bug because I implemented a way to
override shortcut keys even if a plugin has focus. So, if you find
specific problem, please file a bug for each problem. This bug has too
many CC list and a lot of comments. So, it doesn't make sense to keep
discussing on this bug.

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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Benjamin Smedberg (Mozilla) [:bs]
I suspect not: Control-C/V/X at least still need to go to the plugin.

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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Epinal99-bugzilla2
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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Dirkjan Ochtman
Sergio, would you still be interested in working on this? If not, would
it be possible to put this on a backlog somewhere? Personally, I'm
mostly concerned about Flash and CTRL + W (that is, tab closing)...

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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Kbrosnan-mozilla
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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Virtual-q
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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Gingerbread-man-2
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[Bug 263435]

2020-05-08 Thread Bugs-1
(In reply to Benjamin Smedberg  [:bsmedberg] from comment #664)
> The Firefox frontend should be in charge of this: perhaps the best option is
> to have an API that the Firefox frontend can call "set browser shortcut
> keys" and then the Firefox frontend can collect the keys that matter from
> the  elements in the Firefox chrome.

This sounds like a fine approach. Would it be acceptable to intercept
all the keys that fit this category?

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[Bug 263435] Re: Cannot use firefox keyboard shortcuts when flash object is selected

2016-06-22 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: firefox
   Status: Confirmed => Fix Released

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[Bug 263435]

2014-12-16 Thread Glob-8
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[Bug 263435]

2014-10-03 Thread Bugzilla-tf
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[Bug 263435] Re: Cannot use firefox keyboard shortcuts when flash object is selected

2014-08-02 Thread mikhail-777
Partial solution of the problem provides this FIrefox/Seamonkey addon:
https://addons.mozilla.org/En-us/firefox/addon/focus-regainer/
Or lite version:
https://addons.mozilla.org/En-us/firefox/addon/focus-regainer-lite/
But lite version of addon currently has problems with iframes.

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[Bug 263435]

2014-06-24 Thread Dao
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[Bug 263435] Re: Cannot use firefox keyboard shortcuts when flash object is selected

2014-03-30 Thread komputes
** Summary changed:

- Firefox cannot close tab (using Ctrl-w) when flash content is selected on page
+ Cannot use firefox keyboard shortcuts when flash object is selected

** Description changed:

  Binary package hint: flashplugin-nonfree
  
- Firefox cannot close tab (using Ctrl-w) or switch to next tab (using
- Ctrl-Tab) when flash content is selected on page.
+ Firefox cannot close tab (using Ctrl-w) or Quit (using Ctrl-q) or switch
+ to next tab (using Ctrl-Tab) when flash content is selected on page.
  
  Steps to reproduce:
  1) Open a new Tab
  2) Go to a website with flash content (in this case youtube.com)
  3) Selected the flash content by clicking on it (in this case click on play)
  4) While the content plays, press a keyboard shortcut (in this case Ctrl-w to 
close the tab)
  
  Result: The shortcut is not registered by firefox, the tab remains open
  Expectation: The shortcut should be registered by firefox, the tab should 
close
  
  A good way of knowing that "selecting the flash content" is at the root
  of the problem: if you select a part of the page that is not flash
  content (in this case empty white space at the right or the left of the
  video) followed by Ctrl-W, the tab closes.
  
  Version Information:
  Ubuntu Hardy (2.6.24-19-generic)
  firefox 3.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.3
  flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.124.0ubuntu2

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[Bug 263435]

2014-02-18 Thread Alice0775
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[Bug 263435]

2013-12-10 Thread Benjamin Smedberg (Mozilla) [:bs]
> This patch, instead of killing all events going to the plugin, only kills
> the ones that will generate movement on the page (UP, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT,
> SPACE...). I don't know about Mac, but on Windows, Java applets (or, at
> least, the ones I've tested) doesn't properly return the event feedback to
> the browser.

That doesn't answer my question. Does the patch kill the events *before*
they get to the plugin, or *after*? We must certainly send plugins the
arrow keys and space.

> > Are control-t/w/r localized? I suspect they are, and so we can't just
> > hardcode the English letters, but really need the application frontend to
> > tell the plugin which keystrokes are "special".
> 
> Yes, there should be a way for enabling/disabling this functionality,

The Firefox frontend should be in charge of this: perhaps the best
option is to have an API that the Firefox frontend can call "set browser
shortcut keys" and then the Firefox frontend can collect the keys that
matter from the  elements in the Firefox chrome.

> > Also, for plugins that install subwindows (Acrobat), does this keystroke 
> > hook still work? Or is
> > this primarily for Flash?
> 
> Yes, it should. In fact, even if it appears to be embedded, Flash is just a
> bunch of windows which share the Device Context with the browser.

Flash is typically a single subwindow. Acrobat is a whole hierarchy of
subwindows, and we only hook keystrokes for the toplevel window. That's
why I was asking about it.

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2013-12-10 Thread Mozilla-z
(In reply to Benjamin Smedberg  [:bsmedberg] from comment #659)
> "The second passes all key events to both the plugin and the DOM, except for
> the ones which generates movement events (arrow keys, space,
> pageup/pagedown...)." What does this mean precisely? In Windowless mode,
> plugins are supposed to return true/false whether they handled any
> particular keystroke, and we should only propagate the keystroke if the
> plugin didn't handle it. This works on Mac, IIRC: does it not work on
> Windows (at least for the popular plugins)? We can't have arrow keys that
> move the page around and also do things within the plugin like text
> navigation or gaming commands.

This patch, instead of killing all events going to the plugin, only
kills the ones that will generate movement on the page (UP, DOWN, LEFT,
RIGHT, SPACE...). I don't know about Mac, but on Windows, Java applets
(or, at least, the ones I've tested) doesn't properly return the event
feedback to the browser.

> Are control-t/w/r localized? I suspect they are, and so we can't just
> hardcode the English letters, but really need the application frontend to
> tell the plugin which keystrokes are "special".

Yes, there should be a way for enabling/disabling this functionality,
and for configuring which keystrokes should be processed/ignored. I'm
not familiar with the "mozilla way" for doing this kind of things, but
if you could point me to dome docs or a piece of code with similar
functionality, I can give it a try.

> Also, for plugins that install subwindows (Acrobat), does this keystroke hook 
> still work? Or is
> this primarily for Flash?

Yes, it should. In fact, even if it appears to be embedded, Flash is
just a bunch of windows which share the Device Context with the browser.
The problem I've noticed with some plugins, is that with some of them
the instance owner doesn't notice when they request focus, so the hook
doesn't get installed. But this just means that we should look for
another place for installing it.

> jmathies will be the eventual reviewer for this, but I think we should
> probably break it apart into the windowless and windowed-mode patches, which
> are pretty different.

I'm OK with this.

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[Bug 263435]

2013-12-04 Thread Josh Matthews
Sergio, will you be able to address comment 659?

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[Bug 263435]

2013-11-22 Thread Sjw
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[Bug 263435]

2013-11-20 Thread Lhenry
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[Bug 263435]

2013-11-20 Thread Benjamin Smedberg (Mozilla) [:bs]
"The second passes all key events to both the plugin and the DOM, except
for the ones which generates movement events (arrow keys, space,
pageup/pagedown...)." What does this mean precisely? In Windowless mode,
plugins are supposed to return true/false whether they handled any
particular keystroke, and we should only propagate the keystroke if the
plugin didn't handle it. This works on Mac, IIRC: does it not work on
Windows (at least for the popular plugins)? We can't have arrow keys
that move the page around and also do things within the plugin like text
navigation or gaming commands.

Are control-t/w/r localized? I suspect they are, and so we can't just
hardcode the English letters, but really need the application frontend
to tell the plugin which keystrokes are "special". Also, for plugins
that install subwindows (Acrobat), does this keystroke hook still work?
Or is this primarily for Flash?

jmathies will be the eventual reviewer for this, but I think we should
probably break it apart into the windowless and windowed-mode patches,
which are pretty different.

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[Bug 263435]

2013-11-17 Thread Davemgarrett
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[Bug 263435]

2013-11-06 Thread Josh Matthews
Comment on attachment 827318
PoC patch for both winless and windowed plugins. (Windows)

See comment #656.

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[Bug 263435]

2013-11-06 Thread Mozilla-z
Created attachment 827318
PoC patch for both winless and windowed plugins. (Windows)

This proposal is a sensible workaround (as a "complete" solution would
require the collaboration of every single plugin developer, which
doesn't seem feasible) for Windows. Is my understanding that OSX is
not affected, and a solution already exists for GNU/Linux, please
correct me if I'm wrong.

I've implemented two different strategies, one for plugins running in
its own window, and the other for the winless ones. The first one
installs a keyboard hook, which looks for well known keystrokes, and
passes the focus to the main window when one is found. The second
passes all key events to both the plugin and the DOM, except for the
ones which generates movement events (arrow keys, space,
pageup/pagedown...).

This patch is intended as a Proof-of-Concept, it needs betters
comments, an approved list of keystrokes to watch, and (probably) the
ability to be enabled/disabled via "about:config". But I wanted to
obtain early feedback from the devs prior to investing more work on
it.

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2013-10-28 Thread Kevin Brosnan
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2013-05-30 Thread Paul-silaghi
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[Bug 263435]

2013-05-04 Thread Kbrosnan-mozilla
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[Bug 263435]

2013-03-12 Thread Dolske
I'm restricting further comments on this bug because it's the issues are
well understood (see comment 638), and further comments just spam the
386 users CC'd to this bug. The newsgroups are more suited to general
discussion, and developers can update this bug as needed when new
information becomes available.

[Comments are restricted to users with the editbugs privilege -- with
privilege comes responsibility, so please consider carefully before
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[Bug 263435]

2013-02-10 Thread Antoine-mechelynck-gmail
(In reply to flamingspinach from comment #650)
> This ticket was just set to priority P3. According to
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Priority_System , this is a designation
> for enhancements. Does that mean that this issue is considered an
> enhancement request rather than a bug report?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=fields.html#priority seems more
up to date.

Enhancement requests are characterized by having their Severity set to
"enhancement". This one is currently set to "major" instead, which
places it only one step lower than a "critical" (i.e. crash, hang or
dataloss) bug.

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[Bug 263435]

2013-02-10 Thread Flamingspinach
This ticket was just set to priority P3. According to
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:Priority_System , this is a
designation for enhancements. Does that mean that this issue is
considered an enhancement request rather than a bug report?

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[Bug 263435]

2012-12-12 Thread Simona-marcu
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[Bug 263435]

2012-12-06 Thread Manuela-muntean
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[Bug 263435]

2012-10-16 Thread Mardeg
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[Bug 263435]

2012-10-10 Thread Wproxym
(In reply to LAFK from comment #540)
> (In reply to Alexander Rødseth from comment #495)
> > Josh Aas, which events should be let through, in order to not break a
> > non-trivial number of existing plugin-based applications? It's a fairly
> > minimal amount of key press events that are blocked in my Gtk2 patch (and as
> > I understand, people want additional keys to go to Firefox, like Ctrl-F4 and
> > Alt-D).
> 
> Josh,
> 
> Please kindly answer, or provide some information on which you base your
> comment #487 (especially "This patch denies plugins many events that they
> have always received" part), so that patch can be tweaked.
> 
> If you have some tests/test that you base this of, please share.

This patch do nothing with flash on many sites, but works on youtube. I
tested it already.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-10-10 Thread Wproxym
(In reply to Sduibek from comment #532)
> Is there a desktop browser that doesn't experience this bug at all?

Midori Browser

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[Bug 263435]

2012-10-04 Thread Simona-marcu
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/16.0

If enabling the context menu on a flash content, several mouse click are
needed to dismiss it. While the context menu is enabled the focus is
completely lost and Firefox does not respond to any command.

Please let me know if I should open a new bug for this.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-10 Thread Alexander Rødseth
Roman, comment #385 is not an "other linux-only work-around" compared to
comment #487, but the very same.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-10 Thread Timwi
> I did NOT CC myself to this bug so that I could hear people complain about
> it constantly.
Actually I think I’m rather enjoying it :) I love Firefox, no other browser has 
such an entertaining crowd of frustrated users bashing it in a woefully 
inadequate bugtracker :)

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-10 Thread Julian-reschke
But thanks indeed for spamming the bug.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-10 Thread Svin83
Hvis is where I un-cc. This is spamming my mail, and not a damn thing is
beeing done. Firefox has grown slow and unresponsive, and I've gone to
Chrome too. Byebye.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-10 Thread Ws-bugzilla
WHERE THIS BUG STANDS AS OF TODAY

There is a technical side to this issue: Firefox is technically UNABLE
TO FILTER THE KEYS: confirmed in comment #3, comment #27, comment #181,
comment #185, comment #627 (an explanation rather than a confirmation).
The hundreds of comments asking Firefox to "just" filter some keys
(often going to a lot of specifics) can only be useful once Firefox can
intercept plugin keys - which it can't, see bug 788718.

Mozilla has always wanted to fix this bug by changing the plugin API to
allow plugins to send back "unused" keys. This is confirmed in comment
#188, comment #315, comment #337. Last time this has been confirmed is
end of 2009. There have been a few specific proposals: comment #236,
comment #269. But, possibly due to the sheer scale of this work, it has
not been completed, and seems more unlikely than ever before.

In comment #487, a patch was proposed by Josh Aas from Mozilla which
filters what events plugins see, thus departing from the "let's fix the
plugin API" approach. The patch was Linux only. This appears to confirm
that at least some people at Mozilla are OK with the "filter the keys"
approach. There are other linux-only work-arounds: comment #260, comment
#385.

There have been some attempts at fixing the bug by providing a way to
unfocus the plugin, sidestepping Firefox's inability to filter keys
before the plugin sees them: comment #303, comment #308 and my own
comment #446 (in which I failed to actually figure out a way to unfocus
the plugin - the fact that the plugin captures all keys was not a
problem because I used an OS-wide keyboard hook).

Mozilla is asking for patches, but it's been a while since comment #337
and it's no longer entirely clear whether a patch filtering the keys
would still be rejected outright. A comment in bug 788718 from someone
at Mozilla would clear up this uncertainty.

There is a bounty standing at $164 as of today on this bug: comment
#334.


P.S. I shall be bold now and update the whiteboard to point to this comment. 
The point of this post is to compensate for Bugzilla's lack of a comment voting 
feature, making the above comments get lost in the noise, and since comment 403 
has been repeatedly called "outdated".

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-10 Thread Svin83
Hvis is where I un-cc. This is spamming my mail, and not a damn thing is
beeing done. Firefox has grown slow and unresponsive, and I've gone to
Chrome too. Byebye.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-10 Thread Flamingspinach
PSA: Every time you post a comment on this bug, you are spamming 375
email addresses. I don't know about you people, but I CC'd myself to
this bug so that I could receive updates about what Mozilla developers
are doing about it. I did NOT CC myself to this bug so that I could hear
people complain about it constantly. I assume the majority of people
CC'd to the bug had similar reasoning when adding their email address.

So please do not comment unless you are working at Mozilla, or are a
user *providing information about the issue*. This is basic netiquette
for every bug tracker ever. Considering that this issue is extremely
well understood by Mozilla (though apparently not by most of the people
commenting here), there should be no need for users to provide more
information about the issue. So in short, STOP COMMENTING UNLESS YOU
WORK AT MOZILLA. Thank you.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-10 Thread Tomasz-borek-f
Few thoughts:

1) I'm quite certain Mozilla had reasons to wait for Adobe/Flash. I'd
like to know whether they still stand. Perhaps they don't.

2) I recommended WON'T FIX to Mozilla to actually clear up bug status.
It took me a while (and some effort) to actually learn why this bug is
NOT being worked upon and what has been done. I'm not tied to Mozilla AT
ALL. This means it's my own personal recommendation for Mozilla team IF
THEY DECIDE TO STICK WITH WAITING FOR FLASH, which I - again, personally
- think is wrong course of action.

Still, it's better then current situation, because every person coming
here is bound to misunderstand (pointer to comment 403 doesn't help
either).

3) Switching to Chrome and about Open Source (OS) - and plug-ins.

Chrome is actually quite good browser, though proprietary. Chromium is
also good, and it's free (OS, non-proprietary). If you find them to your
liking, good for you - and I don't write in a "I don't give a damn" way,
it's actually true.

OS is open, but it's not free for whoever makes it. And they make
mistakes as everybody else. Fixing takes time and effort, these aren't
free - and sometimes it's not easy (shouldn't take 12 years, sure, I
don't claim otherwise, I think something else is at hand here).

It's good to be passionate about web-browser, but honestly - and I don't
mean to preach - I don't think announcing how Chrome is better and FF
sucks because of this bug will (don't lynch me yet) speed up the fix
coming.

Not trying to defend anyone here, just showing another view of the
situation, which might be broader in some aspects. I am an avid fan of
mouseless navigation (avid Vimperator and Pentadactyl user) and this bug
has been a pain for such a long time now. I totally understand, how
frustrating it is and am far from condemning anyone for being irritated
at n-th time losing ability to use this-or-that keystroke.

I just think that we may be missing the info on the other side - the
plug-in users. They don't come here (obviously, why should they) since
they like the way it is. But perhaps it is us, who are in minority. I
don't know, but it may be so.


4) Most important. What can help?

So, again, if you guys have the info on plug-in usage, some figures
about it, or the knowledge about the reasons Mozilla decided to wait for
Flash, please share.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-10 Thread Mozilla-bakerweb
Stop pleading your case in this bug. They used to say Mozilla was great
because open source meant more responsiveness to what users want, then
they abandoned that and moved on to "submit a patch", and then they
started rejecting patches they didn't like. It should be very clear by
now that Mozilla is not about fixing bugs that users want fixed, and
they even actively resist patches for bugs users want fixed. This isn't
the first bug where this is the case, and it won't be the last. Pleading
in here is not going to change the egos involved. Just use Firefox or
don't. Their market share will tell them how they're doing.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-06 Thread Bugzilla-kennel17
I was not aware that this was idealogical issue.  I thought it was
purely technical!

If that is the case then it seems like the idealogical battle has been
already lost, as Firefox is now the only browser that contains this
broken UI.

I can guarantee that if we are waiting for all plugin makers (and
remember, this isn't just about Flash) to update their plugins to
support a spec. that applies to only one browser, well, it just ain't
gonna happen!

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-06 Thread Finalbx
(In reply to LAFK from comment #630)
> Mozilla took different approach to Chrome - Chrome decided to take back
> keyboard, FF doesn't want to harm Flash plug-ins that might be using it.
> That is also why Roth's patch was rejected.
> 
> When Flash adopts the NPAPI proposal and makes necessary changes, so will
> Mozilla. No sooner will this be fixed than that, because otherwise it's hard
> to test.
> I recommend closing this / marking as "won't fix" with appropriate comment
> "waiting for Adobe".

Isnt firefox about user choice?  Please excuse my technical ignorance
but why can't there be a about:config pref that allows users to decide
if they want plugins or the browser to get hotkeys first?

Seems that a great number of people here want this.  If the option is
there then there would be no reason to complain! Even if the pref was
the default option, the 0.1% of firefox users that have their flash
game broken can set it back no problems.  Everyone wins.

I would argue that a change like this affects less people negatively
then E4X depredation for addons.  Yet, the call was made that the
benefits outweighed the negatives.  I believe mozilla can do the right
thing again.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-06 Thread Wouter
So this means holding back a better user-experience only because Adobe and 
other plugin-writers are lazy? Or because there are a couple of old flash-apps 
which 'might' use keyboard-shortcuts they shouldn't have used at all? Now 
that's for a strange, user-unfriendly decision. 
Take a look at the discussion, the number of votes on this bug. Marking this as 
WONTFIX equals WEDONTCAREABOUTUSERS imhoe. If this is the state Mozilla is in, 
it's a sad day for me.

(In reply to LAFK from comment #630)
> Mozilla took different approach to Chrome - Chrome decided to take back
> keyboard, FF doesn't want to harm Flash plug-ins that might be using it.
> That is also why Roth's patch was rejected.
> 
> When Flash adopts the NPAPI proposal and makes necessary changes, so will
> Mozilla. No sooner will this be fixed than that, because otherwise it's hard
> to test.
> I recommend closing this / marking as "won't fix" with appropriate comment
> "waiting for Adobe".
> 
> If someone has information why the approach "not to take back keyboard
> unless Flash allows us to" was chosen, please share. I'd say it's wrong
> approach, but my perspective is personal, and perhaps there are facts
> speaking in favour for plug-ins.
> 
> PS. A bit of irony: under the window I'm writing this in, there's "Status:
> NEW". :-)

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-06 Thread Alex010alex
I just wanted to say that I waited for this for some time, and it wasn't
fixed. There was another bug today "Your connection has been reset".
Seeing how mozilla manages bug reports, I truthfully didn't have the
time to look for a work-around to another problem so now I've passed to
Chrome.

BTW - for those of you who "still" have the problem where a plugin doesn't 
respond to ALT+F4 - I've used a macro command in windows to execute: 
taskkill.exe /IM firefox.exe /F
So I just pressed my key and firefox would close...  
(I have a keyboard with additional assignable macro keys)

If you happen to have a keyboard or a mouse with macro keys, you're in
luck :)

Have fun guys! 
(I didn't even know there was ad block plus for Chrome - silly me :P )

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-06 Thread Tomasz-borek-f
Mozilla took different approach to Chrome - Chrome decided to take back
keyboard, FF doesn't want to harm Flash plug-ins that might be using it.
That is also why Roth's patch was rejected.

When Flash adopts the NPAPI proposal and makes necessary changes, so will 
Mozilla. No sooner will this be fixed than that, because otherwise it's hard to 
test.
I recommend closing this / marking as "won't fix" with appropriate comment 
"waiting for Adobe".

If someone has information why the approach "not to take back keyboard
unless Flash allows us to" was chosen, please share. I'd say it's wrong
approach, but my perspective is personal, and perhaps there are facts
speaking in favour for plug-ins.

PS. A bit of irony: under the window I'm writing this in, there's
"Status: NEW". :-)

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-04 Thread Hugo-elias
Couldn't you insert Firefox invisibly between the keyboard and the
plugin using an invisible window? Place an invisible window over the
plugin. All user interaction would go to that window, which would then
filter out any hotkeys, and pass the rest onto the plugin.

KEYPRESS -> OS -> FIREFOX's invisible window -> PLUGIN

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-04 Thread dqe...@gmail.com
(In reply to Mark Clements from comment #627)
> My understanding of the problem (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm
> wrong) is that currently Firefox loads the plugin in a separate process and
> therefore has *no control* over how it handles keyboard events.
> 
> In other words, when a plugin has the focus, the chain of events is as
> follows:
> 
>  KEYPRESS -> OS -> PLUGIN
> 
> and not
> 
>  KEYPRESS -> OS -> FIREFOX -> PLUGIN
> 
> Therefore to fix this, the way plugins work needs to be re-engineered so
> that Firefox sits in the chain.  From my reading, this is the hard bit that
> is stopping this bug being fixed.  Once that has been resolved, it will be
> trivial for Firefox to filter which keys get passed to the plugin, and we
> can have a nice bit of bike-shedding to decide on the details.
> 
> As far as I can see (and again, I may be wrong) the Advanced Key Handling
> document is an attempt to get plugin vendors to respect certain key
> combinations as 'browser reserved' and therefore to ignore them, passing
> them back to Firefox, which would result in the following chain:
> 
>  KEYPRESS -> OS -> PLUGIN -> FIREFOX
> 
> However, I agree with previous comments that this is a non-starter.

I doubt that the plugin container is an issue. It always worked like this. Far 
before the plugin container. 
The simple workaround they did in (preventing some keyboard shortcuts from 
being stolen by the plugins) chrome was recommended here several times. It also 
would have worked swell all these years, until a more elegant solution is 
possible. (If ever)
Also I didn't see any flash/java stuff that had a crazy enough developer to use 
shortcuts that the browsers use for the necessary events. (tab 
switching/closing, jump to urlbar, etc...)

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-04 Thread Bugzilla-kennel17
My understanding of the problem (and I'm sure someone will correct me if
I'm wrong) is that currently Firefox loads the plugin in a separate
process and therefore has *no control* over how it handles keyboard
events.

In other words, when a plugin has the focus, the chain of events is as
follows:

 KEYPRESS -> OS -> PLUGIN

and not

 KEYPRESS -> OS -> FIREFOX -> PLUGIN

Therefore to fix this, the way plugins work needs to be re-engineered so
that Firefox sits in the chain.  From my reading, this is the hard bit
that is stopping this bug being fixed.  Once that has been resolved, it
will be trivial for Firefox to filter which keys get passed to the
plugin, and we can have a nice bit of bike-shedding to decide on the
details.

As far as I can see (and again, I may be wrong) the Advanced Key
Handling document is an attempt to get plugin vendors to respect certain
key combinations as 'browser reserved' and therefore to ignore them,
passing them back to Firefox, which would result in the following chain:

 KEYPRESS -> OS -> PLUGIN -> FIREFOX

However, I agree with previous comments that this is a non-starter.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-04 Thread Me-shadsterling
Is there agreement among users as to what, exactly, the "right" behavior
is?  Does bugzilla include a polling mechanism to ask?

It seems to me that the right behavior would be to have the browser
respond to any keys it's configured to respond to, and pass any other
keys to whatever page element has focus.  If plugins rely on keys the
browser uses, the user should have the option of changing the browsers
key bindings (except in safe mode).

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-04 Thread Cl-bugs-new2
As far as I can tell from several years of following this bug, the
problem is that The Powers That Be at MoCo have failed to come to a
decision as to what, exactly, the "right" behaviour is.

It's not at all clear that
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Plugins:AdvancedKeyHandling , linked in comment
269, is still the current plan, and it's VERY clear that such a plan
does _absolutely nothing_ to address existing versions of plug-ins. I do
not believe -- and most of the saner commenters here seem to agree --
that a solution requiring third-party vendors to release new versions of
their plug-ins is a viable one. The fix needs to be made in Gecko
itself. The problem is convincing Firefox drivers that this "advanced
key handling" spec is a non-starter.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-04 Thread Piyush-soni
(In reply to Nicolas Barbulesco from comment #623)
> We are not at war.
Aah. Yes, I was wrong. "Chrome has that too" was not the only respite FF had. 
"We're not at war with any other browser" is the one too. 

There is no war, but please note that if there is no feeling of
competition, the browser will sink very soon. Most of my
friends/relatives have moved to Chrome. For those of us who are still
here just for the love of it, the reasons of sticking to it are reducing
day by day, and that should be a matter of concern for Mozilla.


Is there no one who can look at Chrome's source (and diff) and check how are 
they doing it now, especially since they started by picking a lot of things 
from FF and have had the same problem before?

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[Bug 263435]

2012-09-04 Thread Nicolas-barbulesco
(In reply to bugzilla from comment #621)

> I'm not sure if this is a further advancement of this problem, but I've
> noticed that ctrl-w and ctrl-F4 don't work when a plugin has focus in
> Windows.  This means you are trapped unless you can find a place to click,
> or you close FF entirely.

In this case, it would make sense to escape from the trap by pressing...
Escape.

> At the very least, there need to be some keys/shortcuts that are off limits
> to all plugins.  Shortcuts to close the tab and window should be at the top
> of that list.

And Ctrl L / Apple L too.

(In reply to Piyush Soni from comment #622)

> This problem has historically affected Chrome as well, and it was the only
> respite Firefox had. 

When another browser has the same problem as Firefox, this is not a good
thing for Firefox. We are not at war.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-08-30 Thread Piyush-soni
*** IMPORTANT UPDATE***

It seems Google Chrome has now COMPLETELY fixed this issue (Version
21.0.1180.83). So open any flash video and you can press all your
favorite key combinations ! (Like Ctrl + T, Ctrl + Tab, Ctrl + F4 / Ctrl
+ W etc. ). This problem has historically affected Chrome as well, and
it was the only respite Firefox had.

Firefox STILL cannot do that.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-08-30 Thread Bugzilla-tff
...and a simple technique for a malicious coder would be to take up the
entire window/screen so that you can't click outside it.

I'm not sure if this is a further advancement of this problem, but I've
noticed that ctrl-w and ctrl-F4 don't work when a plugin has focus in
Windows.  This means you are trapped unless you can find a place to
click, or you close FF entirely.

At the very least, there need to be some keys/shortcuts that are off
limits to all plugins.  Shortcuts to close the tab and window should be
at the top of that list.

Currently some plugins, such as Acrobat Reader, will exit the plugin
when ctrl-F4 is used, but one still needs to click outside the tab or
window to get keyboard control back.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-08-30 Thread Aufbeschissener-kunde
As annoying as it is that Flash and other plug-ins consume all keyboard
input once they receive focus, I thought this was supposed to be
intentional so that the plug-in could do whatever it wanted with
keyboard input without the user accidentally screwing up the browser
(such as unwanted scrolling, tab-closing, tab-changing, menu commands,
etc.).  This is particularly important with interactive plug-ins such as
games.

The simple workaround is to click somewhere outside of the plug-in
before trying to use any of the browser's keyboard commands.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-27 Thread Flamingspinach
(In reply to Roman from comment #618)
> Adobe has an entry for this:
> https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=2944796
> 
> They have asked people to vote on it and describe how it impacts everyone.
> Please do express your frustrations over there, since they are specifically
> after this. It appears this helps them prioritise work on the issue.

Thanks for the link. Do note however that this bug is not only about
Flash. It really does need to be solved on Firefox's end.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-27 Thread Ws-bugzilla
Adobe has an entry for this:
https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=2944796

They have asked people to vote on it and describe how it impacts
everyone. Please do express your frustrations over there, since they are
specifically after this. It appears this helps them prioritise work on
the issue.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-26 Thread Nicolas-barbulesco
(In reply to Hiro from comment #615)

On my good old Firefox 3.6.23, this works. Regression?

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-25 Thread Hiroshimic
(In reply to Hiro from comment #615)
> embed but getting same results on Firefox only.

The other browsers I use:

- Mozilla SeaMonkey 2.11
- IE 9
- Safari 9
- Chrome 9
- Opera 12

I'm surprised pdf works fine on Seamonkey.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-25 Thread Hiroshimic
On Firefox v14.0.1 mouse scroll will stop working on a new tab with an
embedded pdf.

To recreate:
1. go to http://www.pdfobject.com/markup/examples/sized-element.html
2. resize firefox so the vertical scrollbar shows
3. try scrolling the page but outside the embedded pdf.

If mouse scroll does not work go another tab -> scroll the page ->
return to the tab with the embedded pdf -- and now it works.

4. refesh the page -- now it does not work again.

I'm making a site with plenty of pdf's and I'm worried that users could
be turned away due to this issue.  I tried both javascript and html
versions to embed but getting same results on Firefox only.

OS: Win7
Hardware: Vaio VGN-NS11M
Firefox addons: disabled one by one while testing

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-14 Thread M8r-7sfc9i
This bug brings risk of physical harm to those of us who for medical
reasons need to use the mouse as little as possible. Please don't let
Firefox be a browser that unnecessarily excludes users with hand/arm
health issues.

Alex Limi's post #403 "rules" for commenting are not convincing, given
that Limi claimed to "care passionately" about fixing this bug neither
Limi nor a fix is to be found here one and a half year later. Someone
with a twitter account should ask http://twitter.com/limi about this
bug.

To see a major bug go unsolved is one thing. But to not see someone from
FF taking responsibility for it after so long time is really
frustrating. There must be someone developing FF who knows enough about
the nature of the problem to spend a little time making a modest blog
post that describe (1) why only Firefox but not Chrome or IE has this
problem. (2) what the prospects for fixing the problem are and (3) if
there are any non-Firefox based workarounds. For example are there any
other windows tools that can override Firefox control to a hotkey so
that we can script the hotkey to do what we want and pass it on to
Firefox only under certain circumstances?

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-09 Thread Piyush-soni
(In reply to Rubino from comment #612)
> 
> What you mean is that mozilla hasn't made anything about it meanwhile ?
> Have you tried yourself version 5 before commenting ?
> If not, i feel sorry for your poor comment.

@Rubino,
As flamingspinach said, you need to understand the real problem this bug is 
about. Yes, it was there in Firefox 5.0, and earlier.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-09 Thread Fullbanner
(In reply to flamingspinach from comment #611)
> I guarantee, this problem (meaning the problem which this bug #78414 is
> about) has existed for eleven years, since before Firefox was even called
> Firefox. Please understand the problem before telling us whether it exists
> or not.

What you mean is that mozilla hasn't made anything about it meanwhile ?
Have you tried yourself version 5 before commenting ?
If not, i feel sorry for your poor comment.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-08 Thread Flamingspinach
I guarantee, this problem (meaning the problem which this bug #78414 is
about) has existed for eleven years, since before Firefox was even
called Firefox. Please understand the problem before telling us whether
it exists or not.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-08 Thread Fullbanner
I haven't upgraded firefox for some time. Yesterday i decided to upgrade
from version 5.0 to latest version 13.0.1. Most of my plugins stopped
working like the Kaspersky virtual keyboard etc. But one thing it's
anoying me most it's my keyboard volume buttons stopped working when
watching youtube videos. I've uninstalled firefox 13.0.1 installed
firefox 5.0 again, voila. All my plugins working great and keyboard
shortcuts working again. I guarantee, this problem doesn't exist in
firefox 5

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-04 Thread Dkt271993
I'm bit of a noob when it comes to all this. But one thing I've noted.
The bug doesn't exists on full screen.

Let me explain. I have those multimedia type keyboard with volume
buttons. What happens is, when flash player is in focus, even those
volume up/down keys don't work. But when the flash player is in full
screen mode, they (vol keys) work perfectly fine.

Hope that helps.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-04 Thread dqe...@gmail.com
(In reply to Wouter van Wijk from comment #606)
> It's not a Flash-bug, because it also happens in Adobe Reader. It's not a
> Flash-bug because it doesn't happen in Chrome. 
> 
> About 'Back-seat driving': I am not able to fix it, because I'm not that
> good at programming. If this back-seat behavior of me makes developers less
> willing to fix bugs, I can understand that with small OSS project in his
> (her?) free-time. But this is Mozilla. They are paying developers to fix
> serious bugs. I find it interesting that bugs like this aren't fixed by a
> multi-million dollar franchise, which Mozilla has become.  I'm sorry, but
> it's bad. I have been a fan of Firefox since Phoenix 0.1, but I am writing
> this post in Chrome.

I'd use Chrome if it had a decent customizable GUI with real themes. And
comparable addon capabilities. Someone wanna fork it to implement the
good stuff from firefox? :)

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-02 Thread Mozilla-bakerweb
(In reply to Wouter van Wijk from comment #606)
> I have been a fan of Firefox since Phoenix 0.1, but I am writing
> this post in Chrome.

Don't say things like that. It makes Mozilla think that they need to
imitate Chrome's more annoying features, like hiding the protocol in the
URL bar, instead of imitating the parts like not having this bug.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-07-02 Thread Wouter
It's not a Flash-bug, because it also happens in Adobe Reader. It's not
a Flash-bug because it doesn't happen in Chrome.

About 'Back-seat driving': I am not able to fix it, because I'm not that
good at programming. If this back-seat behavior of me makes developers
less willing to fix bugs, I can understand that with small OSS project
in his (her?) free-time. But this is Mozilla. They are paying developers
to fix serious bugs. I find it interesting that bugs like this aren't
fixed by a multi-million dollar franchise, which Mozilla has become.
I'm sorry, but it's bad. I have been a fan of Firefox since Phoenix 0.1,
but I am writing this post in Chrome.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-26 Thread Piyush-soni
Implement a simple vote up/vote down to comments like every other
website does these days. That will drive useless comments down and solve
that problem at least.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-26 Thread dqe...@gmail.com
(In reply to HaWaN from comment #603)
> Can we please close this bug and open new one?
> it's starting to be impossible to find ANYTHING here...

Why? People at least come to rant here on the eternal bug instead of
several other bugs.

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2012-06-25 Thread Hawan
Can we please close this bug and open new one?
it's starting to be impossible to find ANYTHING here...

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-25 Thread Grgoffe
Giving up on this bug. I'm switching to a different browser.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-25 Thread Piyush-soni
I'm not missing reading comment 403, you're missing reading comment
595(and 596).

I beg to differ from your statement that this is an 'unrelated problem'.
It might be from a developer's perspective, but not from a user's
perspective. It very much adds to the same problem of keys not working
once you click on the flash object. The new addition being even clicking
outside doesn't leave the keyboard, making the bug worse.

I repeat, Chrome doesn't have this problem by default even with flash
11.3 (protected mode enabled or disabled).

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-25 Thread Andre Klapper
Piyush Soni: Different problem and unrelated to this report.
Plus you missed to read comment 403 first, as told before commenting.

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2012-06-24 Thread Ws-bugzilla
The recent issue is actually a regression in Flash 11.3. Would be good
to see Firefox mitigate this, but in the meantime, you can disable
Flash's protected mode and the clicking will work again.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-24 Thread Piyush-soni
(Also, I already tested that it happens on multiple machines, even with
a clean profile)

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-24 Thread Piyush-soni
IMPORTANT (NEW) REGRESSION, NOT RUN OF THE MILL POST  !!

Alright. This problem has gone to another level now. Over the years I
had built it in my muscle memory to click once on empty page any time I
click in the YouTube player even by mistake - so that my keys are not
locked.

But now, with the latest update in Firefox (13.0.1) / Flash/ or YouTube,
I can't even do that! So things have become even more frustrating, and
fixing this even more important. Even scrolling doesn't work.

NOTE : It does NOT happen in Chrome now, so it's all Firefox. At least
fix this one urgently.


Also, having noted that the Whiteboard points to misleading post, I still want 
to know why is no one working on this. If you lack resources, stop working on 
useless enhancements please. Why are you not prioritizing the bugs, it is out 
of my understanding. None of the reasons you gave can justify waiting for more 
than 10 years for fixing a critical bug.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-16 Thread Antoine-mechelynck-gmail
(In reply to Piyush Soni from comment #595)
> In reply to Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec] from comment #594
> 
> Blindly pointing to Comment #403 doesn't help, because it is outdated, and
> more importantly, *misleading*. [...]

Then the Whiteboard shouldn't point to it, but maybe to your comment
#595, or maybe to no comment at all, or maybe directly to the netiquette
page, or maybe to an updated (but full) version of "what to do before
posting" which would not amend but replace comment #403.

I would have changed it myself if I had known what to change it to.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-16 Thread Piyush-soni
In reply to Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec] from comment #594

Blindly pointing to Comment #403 doesn't help, because it is outdated, and more 
importantly, *misleading*. Please read that again yourself. Anyway we never saw 
Alex Limi after comment #406 here who was passionate for fixing this. At least 
create a new comment to point people to. 
I propose the following changes to comment #403

1). Change "it just didn't have" to "it still doesn't have"
2). Change Firefox "4.0" --> Firefox 13.0 (or 14, 15)
3). Remove the junk that follows. 

I hope my post contributed something.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-16 Thread Antoine-mechelynck-gmail
In reply to comment #591 and comment #593: Please read:
1) comment #403 as mentioned in the Whiteboard;
2) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=etiquette.html
and then shut up unless you have something to contribute which will make the 
bug move forward.
- Back-seat driving doesn't help. It may even make developers *less* willing to 
try their hand at fixing the bug.
- If you think you know how to fix the problem, then feel free to ASSIGN the 
bug to yourself, attach the proposed patch as an attachment, and have it 
reviewed by some appropriate reviewer. In this case, 
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/Core#Plugins might be of help to find who to 
ask for a review.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-15 Thread Timwi
> PS. it's already partially fixed.

This is a lie. No fix has been made to actual Firefox. A couple of half-
baked “workaround” patches posted on this bug doesn’t fix anything for
anyone.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-15 Thread Hawan
DON'T HAVE PATCH, PLEASE DON'T WRITE HERE.
THANK YOU!

PS. it's already partially fixed.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-15 Thread Wouter
Warning sign! Please fix this! It's a bug labelled as Major, that has been open 
for more than ten (!) years! And it's a very irritating bug. I should be able 
to ctrl-t any time to open a new tab or ctrl-l to go to the location bar. It's 
really bad that a bug like this takes ten years to fix. 
A major bug that has't been fixed for ten years! I think it is a proof that 
mozilla has been focussing less and less on the end-user, sorry to say.  I 
actually switched to Chrome because of it. Usability first!

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-09 Thread Giepie
Hmmm, now how did I end up in this thread?

Ace, you're the man!

Sorry for sparking everyone's emotions, I'm just very happy that a
portion of my FF problems have been resolved. I seriously considered
moving to Chrome. Luckilly FF13 has become usable and quick again.

Thanks for everyone's input!

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-09 Thread Acelists
giepie, notice that PDF scrolling in another tab is a completely
different issue. See bug 273456 and bug 626813. The last one is even
marked as fixed in FF13 so something could really change for you.

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[Bug 263435]

2012-06-08 Thread Giepie
Hi Flamingspinach

I;ve been keeping up to date with this thread since I joined. As I said,
my biggest problem was with PDF files and the fact that I couldn't
scroll when a PDF was open (the PDF document would scroll up and down
when I'm actually scrolling a on a different tab).

I was really surprised when this was fixed with the latest release.

My second test was Youtube, and to my amazement, I was able to scroll
the page, even when the vid had focus. However, I wasn't aware there was
html5 and flash videos and that one of them would work differently.

I can sort of live with the current problems (although the shift-tab
function would still be a pain, even though I learned to deal with it).

Sorry for posting something before thorroughly testing every single
aspect. I don't usually post when I don't have all the facts.

Thanks for everyone's help!

G

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