[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Updating OpenOffice.org to version 3.0 would fix bug #286405 - this bug is important for *all* Impress (OOo presentation program) users, as OpenOffice.org 2.x Impress doesn't show bullets in OpenDocument 1.0-1.2 format (.odp) files. In all OOo versions prior to OOo 3.0 beta2 bullets in Impress where exported in a non valid OpenDocument Format. This was fixed in OOo 3.0 beta2 which only exports valid OpenDocument Format, but because of this, files, saved with OOo 3.x will not show bullets in any OOo version older than 3.0 beta, including OOo 2.x and OOo 1.x as they expect a non valid format :( So, when OOo 2.x user will get an presentation (.odp) file from OOo 3.x user then bullets (with are used in most presentations) will be not visible :( -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
If it won't be included in 8.10 then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/270612 should be fixed definitely before 8.10 is released as it seems to be worked around by using Openoffice.org 3. Just out of interest: who of you is also affected by bug 270612? -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
I'm not, but then I installed OOo 3.0 as soon as I could. I do have other printing problems with 8.10 but these are not related to 270612 I believe (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/273021). -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
A simple solution would be to package 3.0 into universe then when jaunty comes around promote it to main.That is if somebody would maintain.Instead of backporting it, that way users who don't really know what they are doing don't need to muck around with sources and dont end up with all the backports installed which they dont want or realise what they are. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Russell, Colin already covered that part above. In case you don't understand a package with the same package name can't be in both main and universe and since the openoffice.org$(VER)-* support is severely broken it can't be uploaded as openoffice.org3-* either. Chris -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Chris : in order to answer you about languages in PPA, it may or not work. Anyway, I found a way to install official deb in intrepid. And they do work flawlessly. And as OOo 3.1 will be released around march 2009, I think we will see the same problem for Jaunty. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
I want Ooo 3.0 too. I think the community want it. Add it and we are happy! -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Guys, I think the debate is going in to the wrong direction. I stumbled across this via planet ubuntu and I really want to add my thoughts here. I plan to switch from fedora 9 to ubuntu 810 asap. While fedora almost always has the latest versions of desktop (and not only this) software available, the whole distro feels unstable to me (bad network manager integration, bad cups integration etc.) and on top of this their hardcore hackers don't like desktop users (they don't like gstreamer related topics in their launchpad equivalent). But I like to work on a stable, unbroken env. So back to ubuntu, no, to kubuntu for me - if I need the latest software release of something, I can add this by myself now. So I am not really affected by the decision of not having ooO in ubuntu 8.10. - If this really will happen - I will install it manually (via .deb or whatever). But anyway. I see two major arguments in this debate here for holding ooO v.3 back: 1. It's to late now - it can't be integrated after the feature freeze because it is to complex and has to many dependencies to build a package - also there is no time to test it the right way - it might be unstable. 2. The masses will use ubuntu without asking questions. They want a out of the box working experience, they don't care if it's 2.4 or 3.0 - as long as it works like they want. I think, both arguments are *not* correct / fair. Lets look into *1.* I seriously do believe that it is not a problem for a serious packager to create a fully working deb within 1 day. Maybe ooO is a b**ch to pack - but that's why I am talking about serious and I mean experienced packagers. Even with the dependencies, the language packs and so on. That's daily routine for a packager. Also - there is not much need to test it *entirely*. If there are some aspects of ooO which interact with other ubuntu features (I couldn't think of even one), then those are the ones which should be tested in an intense way. Anything else is already tested by the OpenOffice folks. That's why they had some RCs before releasing 3.0 . If there are problems with ooO - no one from the user base will blame ubuntu for it - the ooO guys have to react then - and all the ubuntu team has got to do is to release a patch within its update repositories. Right? On the other side: I mean. I had ubuntu 7.10 last year (yes, before switching to fedora 9) and there was gimp 2.4 RC1 in it - remaining for MONTHS unpatched (gimp 2.4 final was out, bedore ubuntu 7.10 was released). So if this is going to be the fate for ooO too - ok - than stick on 2. 4 - but expect the consequences (I'll talk about consequences later). Point2 (most of the users won't realize this anyway): Where is the proof about what kind of user base ubuntu has? Who is telling that the masses of ubuntu users bought their stuff at wall mart (something more or less completely unknown in Europe btw.) and don't know / don't wanna know about linux and stuff, especially version numbers of software packages? I agree - this usergroup might exist. But I believe the opposite. I guess the largest group of users dealing with ubuntu are guys which switch from windows, like compiz, are proud to show they can handle linux and expect to have access to knew software exactly like they had on windows. Which they don't. If in germany the Spiegel (a popular mainstream mag) writes about ooO v.3 - ubuntu users with windows experience of course want to install it - but they surely can't - there is no install.exe, the repositories show v.2.4 for months and how to add a new repository is out of their skills (and, I know, I know, not even recommended in terms of stability and later distro updates, dependencies blabla). So the only thing ubuntu could do to satisfy this large group of potential users is to have the *latest* software in it, when the release comes - and this should do it for 6 months from now on. So maybe I am wrong, and the wall mart dudes are the bigger group. Maybe I am right, and the converted windows guys are the biggest group. Maybe to our all surprise the largest group of ubuntu users consist of disappointed slackware users. BUT WHO KNOWS? * What I do know, is, what the press will write. * They will write: Hey, thanks to kernel 2.6.27 (released after feature freeze) we have cool wireless, cool bluetooth, and thanks to the new X.org our 2 Screen setup fails now (*cough*). But hey: Gimp 2.6 (released after feature freeze) Gnome 2.24 (released... you know when) and KDE v.4.1.* are great. The only thing which is strange is: Open Office is still on v.2.4 - so there is no way to open MS Office 2007 xdocs (xdoc is standard there). If you want to work further on your MS Office 2007 documents but want to switch to an easy to use linux distro then better consider to switch to open suse or mandriva - they are also absolutely easy to install, have the same software base but they even work like a charm with MS Office 2007 stuff. Its
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Very well said. Especially the point on GIMP 2.4 RC1 being in Gutsy. Bah, it's all lies, about the developers telling you it's too late. They don't care about you, all they care about is their reputation and Ubuntu's reputation. If they all worked hard, they could get this done in one day. But no, they make up excuses and waste each precious second that goes by that could be used to upload OpenOffice.org 3.0. What a load of bloated crap Ubuntu and its developers are. They don't care for no shit. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Exsecrabilus is that post real or sarcastic? -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
This is not a debate, blog or forum, and is not the place for rants. OOo 3 is already available via PPA for those who need it. The decision regarding main has been made and discussed to death, and we are now in FinalFreeze. This is now a backport request; no further comments are needed unless they relate to the backport process. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
* What I do know, is, what the press will write. * They will write: Hey, thanks to kernel 2.6.27 (released after feature freeze) we have cool wireless, cool bluetooth, and thanks to the new X.org our 2 Screen setup fails now (*cough*). But hey: Gimp 2.6 (released after feature freeze) Gnome 2.24 (released... you know when) and KDE v.4.1.* are great. The only thing which is strange is: Open Office is still on v.2.4 - so there is no way to open MS Office 2007 xdocs (xdoc is standard there). If you want to work further on your MS Office 2007 documents but want to switch to an easy to use linux distro then better consider to switch to open suse or mandriva - they are also absolutely easy to install, have the same software base but they even work like a charm with MS Office 2007 stuff. Its of course possible to install Open Office 3 on your own - but then you might consider to switch to a distro for more experienced users like fedora, debian or errm gentoo. Yes, don't worry about the facts like that the ooo-build version of OpenOffice.org has supported Microsoft Office 2007 files since at least version 2.3 (maybe even 2.2). Check out your hardy or gutsy version of OOo and see that it opens docx files. The only thing that changed was upstream (read Sun) finally added support for Microsoft Office 2007 files to their version with 3.0. And a large part of the reason Gnome is allowed in so late in the cycle is that it has a much better record of stability and QA than upstream OpenOffice.org. They also accept patches, etc without huge amount of red tape. Most of the 500+ patches in ooo-build could go directly into Sun's version without any of the licensing complication that is made so much of, if only they would accept them. There was a discussion on one of the OOo lists in the past that it takes somewhere around 4 months of work to get even a single really small patch accepted by Sun upstream. Chris -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
John Dong, I think that OOo 3.0 should be of sufficient quality for backports by the time 3.0.1 is released around Dec 2. Chris -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
To Aaron: I didn't mean it, if that's what you were asking. :) -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
@Calc Which where involved when RC4 was nominated as Final ? Your ppa version is broken and nothing else. I dont like dark room decisions and this is just incredible to not ship with OO-3. If it was Debian I understands it ! -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
I don't want to add to the debate, nor cause the maintainers any difficulty - but I do have a thought. Not necessarily a good one. Ubuntu now has a method for selectively enabling restricted drivers. This utility, I believe, is not considered geekish. My thought is perhaps an additional utility should be provided, for Advanced Application Access. This utility could have a database linked to backports, ppa, and other sources, and be maintained by the appropriate group, and allow for easy updates for high-profile items like the latest OoO, Firefox, etc - without requiring novice users to work with the joys of package management. The database would include comments on new features, possible issues, advice on appropriate usage for new users, etc. Just a thought to help bridge the gap from the goal of a stable release, with at least some testing of new software prior to inclusion in the release - and a close-to-mainstream inclusion of new core software that didn't quite make the release schedule. Of course, if this just adds to the headaches of maintaining a distro - please forget I said anything. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Isn't that what backports is for? -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Just as a note, once testing has been sufficient in Chris's PPA, Backports Team would be glad to work with the Openoffice folks to make this package available in the Backports repository if it is deemed suitable. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 04:41 +, John Dong wrote: Just as a note, once testing has been sufficient in Chris's PPA, Backports Team would be glad to work with the Openoffice folks to make this package available in the Backports repository if it is deemed suitable. additional note; I'd really like to help test the OOo3 packages, but alas there's no powerpc binaries in the ppa... and I just have slow G4s in my workstations, which makes building a huge package such as OOo3 myself a rather time-consuming task (not to speak of that I'm uncomfortable with running my equipment [mac mini, ibook, pbook] at full temperature for several hours), even more so if there are build errors to work around... -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
+1 for OO3 in 8.10! -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
This bug report is not the place for a protest or silly +1 comments. Chris Cheney and others have already made the situation very clear, and OpenOffice.org 3.0 will not be included in Intrepid main for the above reasons. It is planned to be included as an Intrepid backport after release, and you are able to grab it from the PPA now if you just can't wait :-). No further comments about OpenOffice.org in Intrepid main are needed. Thank you. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
I understant the given reasons, and agree that right now is too late. But I think that there is one issue to consider for further releases: There are, AFAIK, 3 component used by virtually every user: Desktop, Office Suite, and Web Browser. Those 3 components should be included in alphas, or beta versions of ubuntu when they reach a point like RC or even beta, in order to start integrating, finding and solving possibe bugs, that will even help to get those projects released on time. You do it right now with GNOME, You did it once with Firefox, You should consider do it also for OpenOffice.org from now and on. Any other component, can be treated different, like gimp for example, is used by many users but not for everyone. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Just download OO 3.0 deb files for offline use and put them on cd thats all. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
FredBezies, Do you mean the language translations that are in the PPA do not work? They weren't there originally for 3.0 Beta 2 but have been there with each update since that. Chris -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
As reporter of this bug, I'm sad to agree to Chris decision. Because : 1) It was released too late for being included in intrepid development. 2) It is a bad advertisement for this ubuntu release 3) PPA won't take care about every-single user which mother tongue is not english : french, german, spanish, italian and so on. But you will find lots of howto to work around this technical reject. Too bad for Intrepid. Let's hope that Shiretoko (alias Firefox 3.1) won't suffer the same problem for Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Please add OOo 3.0 to 8.10 -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
I believe the decision to do not include OO.o 3.0 in 8.10 is 1. very bad publicity for Intrepid, when comparing Ubuntu with Fedora or Mandriva this is a huge argument why not to use it and rather go somewhere else. 2. very bad demonstration of inability to listen to users. I believe overwhelming desire and what's worse expectation is that OO.o 3.0 should be present in 8.10. This world runs on expectations. The strongest thing Ubuntu has going for it is the community of users, not the technology which is just a commodity. Playing these games by disappointing users is very bad precedence. 3. great opportunity to show that Ubuntu really cares what its users thinks and desire and is flexible enough to look past the red tape to do the right thing. You couldn't buy such opportunity even if you wanted to, it just happened and now it is up to the management/team to show the true color. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Hi. I'm not affiliated with Canonical or Ubuntu, but wanted to contribute a few points: bastafidli wrote: I believe the decision to do not include OO.o 3.0 in 8.10 is 1. very bad publicity for Intrepid, when comparing Ubuntu with Fedora or Mandriva this is a huge argument why not to use it and rather go somewhere else. I think we all need to put this in perspective - people who switch from one distribution to another for such a reason will likely come back to that distribution for similar reasons for the next release. 2. very bad demonstration of inability to listen to users. I believe overwhelming desire and what's worse expectation is that OO.o 3.0 should be present in 8.10. This world runs on expectations. The strongest thing Ubuntu has going for it is the community of users, not the technology which is just a commodity. Playing these games by disappointing users is very bad precedence. I don't agree - who are the users? Ubuntu tries to position itself for the bulk user group out there. By Bulk users group I mean those that have no idea what Launchpad is, and don't care, either. They are the people that go to Wal-Mart to buy a computer, or enter the Dell site to order a laptop that looks good, or just buy a small netbook. These people will become the majority of Ubuntu's users are they are the ones who are going to win the war on Microsoft for us (by us I mean us Linux users). These users expect things to *** just work ***. No excuses such as well, it's a x.0 release, wait for x.1 or something similar. They want it to work - nothing less and nothing more. Therefor, I completely understand Canonical's position to refrain from *potentially* unstable (yet) software which has just been released, such as OOo 3.0. That's why backports was created. Again - this is just a personal opinion. And evidently a minority one as well ;-) But I just thought it's something worth bringing to the table. Cheers. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases which discusses why Ubuntu schedules its releases this way and why it can't simply deviate from that at users' whim. The timeline is unfortunate but (with the exception of Dapper) completely predictable. http://tinyurl.com/4wpnan outlines all the objections noted here, and discusses specific answers to them. Here's a hint: the timeline works and is a big reason a lot of people prefer Ubuntu to other distributions. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
** Also affects: openoffice.org (Baltix) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
I hate to start the discussion here, but some of your points should be addressed I think we all need to put this in perspective - people who switch from one distribution to another for such a reason will likely come back to that distribution for similar reasons for the next release. I wasn't talking about people who switch. I was talking about people who choose for the first time. These talk to their more experienced friends which distro should they use. Or read reviews which as a con will have missing OO 3.0. Or look at distrowatch and see whats included (if they are little more experienced). And the answer in my case would be go with one, which has OO 3.0 because it has better compatibility with Office documents. I don't agree - who are the users? Ubuntu tries to position itself for the bulk user group out there. By Bulk users group I mean those that have no idea what Launchpad is, and don't care, either. They are the people that go to Wal-Mart to buy a computer, or enter the Dell site to order a laptop that looks good, or just buy a small netbook. These people will become the majority of Ubuntu's users are they are the ones who are going to win the war on Microsoft for us (by us I mean us Linux users). You and I are talking about different users. The users you are talking about get their distro from hw manufacturer which most likely uses LTS release + in house testing. The once I am talking about are the one who use Ubuntu because they are passionate about, the advocates, the ones testing, tinkering, making it what it is know, the vocals ones who made those HW manufacturers know that Ubuntu is desired alternative. These users really do care :-). -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Andrew Conkling: I don't know if that's the reason people (mostly) prefer Ubuntu - but I agree that the time-line is important. bastafidli: I was aware you're talking about a different set of users; and you are right in saying that the tinkering users (like you and I) are the ones that DO care and are usually passionate. The point I was trying to make is simply that Ubuntu has another set of users that are just as important as us passionate users, and definitely did not mean to hint that one group is more important than the other - only that this should be judged on a case-by-case basis, and in this case - I humbly disagree with you and believe Canonical made the right choice, because the release dates were so close. I think it all boils down to who takes responsibility on bugs: Canonical consider OOo as an intrinsic part of Ubuntu - one that they are taking quality responsibility for, and therefor want to assure that the code is stable. (I know that ultimately the upstream has responsibility, but the simple users see that office suite that came with Ubuntu, not OOo, despite the splash screen...) IF they were to treat OOo as just another product, that someone else provides and is responsible for (like, say, iTunes) the issue would not come up. But since it is considered as a critical part of the OS, they want to make sure that what ships with it is the most stable version, not the most recent one. -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Ok, let's stop now. Now it's defnitely too late to change anything and launchpad is not a good place for this kind of discussion. Please move to ubuntuforums.org to talk about what to do and what not to do in similar situations in the future. I believe the developers will appreciate that we move from here. Thanks! -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 267376] Re: [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports
Aha, ok. Then I'll ignor it, and start a litle protest. - Please add OOo 3.0 to 8.10! ;) -- [Request] OpenOffice.org 3.0 in Intrepid Backports https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267376 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
