[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
As stated in comment #20, touchpad blocks correctly, it is only a matter of the number of seconds the touchpad is blocked. I think the correct solution is to provide the blocking time as a gconf setting and still use 0.5s as a reasonable default. ** Package changed: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) = gnome- settings-daemon (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = New ** Summary changed: - Touchpad should block while typing + Touchpad blocking time should be a gconf setting -- Touchpad blocking time should be a gconf setting https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
While waiting for clear step by step instructions (my mother tongue is not English and I'm not expert) to modify delay parameter -i to help on solving the issue with results from my tests, I inform that the solution reported on comment #21 (thick paper on the palm rest) seems to work at moment (no unwanted openings of windows or applications, no unwanted movement of the cursor). Of course a software solution should be preferred! -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
This is still a problem in Ubuntu 10.10 which I installed in my Acer Aspire 8530G and I opened Bug #646860 to solve it. This my experience. I have just tried a suggestion to palce two sheets of paper on the palm rest (one on the right of tochpad, one on the left) and I did not experied capricious behaviours of the pointer which did not opened unwanted windows or application. Will this behaviour be permanent? I will report after a few days of work. Than I red this bug discussion and I found it very useful, in particular previous comment #20. I wanted to apply the solution given there, but I could not, because I do not know what to do and which file has to be to modified. I ask Stanley Sokolow to explain how to do, considering that I am not an expert. -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
This bug affects me too. On my MacbookPro 6-2, I see that syndaemon is running, but it doesn't seem to be working as I would expect. Here's my ps output which shows how syndaemon was started: $ ps aux | grep syndaemon michael 1827 0.0 0.0 29180 1072 ?SOct30 0:20 syndaemon -i 0.5 -k This is the standard setting before I made any changes. I think .5 is enough of a delay, but I did a test and found that even when it was supposedly disabled, it still takes clicks from my touchpad: Opened a terminal and right-clicked the title bar and chose: 'Always on top' Entered the command: syndaemon -i 0.5 -k As I typed in another field, I saw: Disable Enable Disable Enable I also randomly tapped on the touchpad as I was typing. I was able to get the mouse click to register even when the sysdaemon said: disabled. It wasn't every time, but certainly enough to cause problems during normal use. I also tried changing the timeout from .5 sec to 10 sec, and repeated the above experiment. It showed the same results: even though it stated Disabled, the mousepad continued to register clicks and reposition my cursor (though not immediately.) -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
This is still a problem in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. There is a setting in menu System Preferences Mouse Touchpad that claims to disable touchpad clicks while typing. However, this is implemented in gnome- settings-daemon poorly. In that daemon, in function set_disable_w_typing, the settings manager spawns syndaemon with a parameter -i 0.5, meaning to set the delay after a keypress to one- half second (500 ms). During that delay after a keypress, the touchpad is temporarily ignored. If you read the man page for syndaemon, you'll see that the default delay interval is 2 seconds. 500ms is too short. In effect, whether or not the user checks the setting in preferences, the touchpad is not ignored while typing. I've had to temporarily disable the touchpad completely when I'm doing a lot of typing to avoid accidental chaos when the heel of a hand brushes against the touchpad during typing. To work around this too-short delay, I killed syndaemon and re-spawned it from the terminal with a 2 second delay -i 2 parameter. This so far seems to be working fine, as intended. So the right fix would be to change line #511 in the gnome-settings-manager http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/tree/plugins/mouse /gsd-mouse-manager.c?id=46cfbb45bac09fd86f13a1995a4b4b2742b39c25#n498 . The parameter 0.5 should be 2 or you could remove the -i parameter and it's argument completely, allowing the default built into syndaemon to take effect. Even better, add a slider in the mouse preferences touchpad tab to let the user choose the delay that works best for him/her. Meanwhile, I'm going to try adding some shell script commands in my rc.local file to kill syndaemon and run it in daemon mode with a better interval. This is what I tried in the terminal: kill `ps -C syndaemon -o pid=` syndaemon -d -i 2 -k I'm not sure why the -k parameter is important, but it's in the gnome- settings-daemon code already, so I'll just put it in my script, too. The kill command fetches the process id number using the ps command, then kills that process. Then the syndaemon command re-spawns. I'm going to try this until an update to gnome-settings-daemon fixes this bug. Please, someone, be sure that the maintainer for gnome-settings-manager gets a copy of this comment. -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
This appears to have been done (badly) by default in Ubuntu 9.10... -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
As of Ubuntu 8.10 HAL is being used rather than Xorg.conf To disable touchpad while typing do the following. 1. Enable SHM in HAL by placing shmconfig.fdi file onto /etc/hal/fdi/policy 2. Activate syndaemon on startup by placing syndaemon.desktop file onto /etc/xdg/autostart To do it in one easy step: cd / ; sudo tar zxvf SHM_hal+syndaemon.tgz With SHM enabled in HAL the button that disables touchpad on my laptop now works as well. Hope this will make its way into future Ubuntu releases. Despite security issues with shared memory enabled, I simply cannot tolerate the inconvenience on a laptop. Hope this fix will help you. ** Attachment added: Use this to disable touchpad while typing on Ubuntu 8.10 http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22906804/SHM_hal%2Bsyndaemon.tgz -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
I don't think the fact that Adam never finds this a problem is justification for closing it, certainly ... many people do indeed find this to be a problem and laptop design is not universally ideal. -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
** Tags added: input-config-ui -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
Wouldn't it create problems if the touchpad would be constantly turning on and off? I think people should learn how to type without touching the touchpad. I believe laptops are designed that way to make it possible. Can't this bug be closed? -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
I can't imagine any possible problems - what problems are you thinking of? In my opinion it is also very difficult not to touch the touchpad. On all the laptops I have seen the touchpad is directly below the keyboard, which is the place where one naturally places the wrists when typing. I don't think this is a matter of learning how to type properly - doing it differently would require to keep the wrists in the air at all times - an ergonomic nightmare. So I would strongly argue against closing the bug. Have you seen any laptops where the touchpad is somewhere else? -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
Touchpad is in the middle right between the wrists.. It never caused any trouble to me and of course my wrists are not in the air. I still don't think this is a good idea. I'm happy that my touchpad works I don't wanna turn it off, maybe it won't turn back on.. Usually no hardware keep turning on and off do they? -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
The touchpad is not turned off physically, the synaptic driver simply doesn't translate the signals to mouse events anymore. It happens completely in software, so it cannot affect the touchpad at all. -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
I don't know. Maybe you should add this idea to brainstorm. Let's see if the people agree or not. -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
I barely ever use the touchpad on my laptop. The point now is this: In Ubuntu, it happens within minutes after booting that the cursor moves/drags to strange places while I type. Thank god most programs have an undo function! At that point I turn off the touchpad via a hotkey. Under Windows, I have no such problems at all! Whether Windows disables the touchpad, uses writs detection or just generally lowers the sensitivity, I don't know and frankly I don't care. I just want my touchpad to work just as well in Ubuntu. So this really is a bug and should stay open. As for brainstorm: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/126/ -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
** Also affects: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Baltix) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
Works fine, modifier keys aren't blocked. -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
What about things like holding ctrl while clicking multiple items? -- Touchpad should block while typing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27541 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
This is excessively specific for the installer; I'd very much rather not have it get into this sort of fine detail for particular items of hardware when fundamentally xorg's default configuration should just be better, and/or the synaptics driver should be improved to allow it to be better. I don't want to go down this road in the installer. ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed = Rejected ** Changed in: debian-installer (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: debian-installer = xserver-xorg-input-synaptics -- Touchpad should block while typing https://launchpad.net/bugs/27541 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
Reassigning, is not an X11 bug but a configuration problem. ** Summary changed: - Touchpad blocking while typing + Touchpad should block while typing ** Description changed: On Laptops with Touchpads, the touchpad often accidentally generates events when - the keyboard is used. This is why under windows, the touchpad is blocked for - about 300ms after each keypress. I'd be very glad to have a similar feature - available in X11. + the keyboard is used. Blocking the touchpad for a couple of ms after each keypress solves this problem. + + This can be extremely easily implemented by calling syndaemon upon login + and adding SHMConfig on to the X11 configuration. I think this is + something that should be done by the installer in the default + configuration as well. ** Changed in: xorg-driver-synaptics (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: xorg-driver-synaptics = debian-installer -- Touchpad should block while typing https://launchpad.net/bugs/27541 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 27541] Re: Touchpad should block while typing
Actually, it may be an X11 problem, since according to bug #37234 this allows anyone to change the touchpad settings, not only the user logged in X11. But it might still be reasonable to at least ask for this during installation. ** Also affects: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: Unconfirmed -- Touchpad should block while typing https://launchpad.net/bugs/27541 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
