[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
Why is there now a open task for every package manager we have in ubuntu? What exactly is the task for them here? -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
i assume packagekit can --no-install-recommends. ** Changed in: packagekit (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: synaptic (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: smart (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
all package tools that can --no-install-recommends are ok. ** Changed in: apt (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid ** Changed in: aptitude (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to adept in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
** Changed in: adept (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist Status: New = Confirmed -- MASTER support to select apps without recommends in app-install-data https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html Recommends This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency. The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations. Suggests This is used to declare that one package may be more useful with one or more others. Using this field tells the packaging system and the user that the listed packages are related to this one and can perhaps enhance its usefulness, but that installing this one without them is perfectly reasonable. I am not sure how I should justify that I bounce this bug back to firefox, so I'll just leave you 2 possible reasons: a) Kubuntu is _NOT_ an unusual installation - that would be the 'political' reason b) as Alexander said himself firefox recommends -gnome-support ... as it simply best works with it which is exactly the usecase described for the Suggests relation (same applies for the ubufox recommends) - that would be the 'firefox-3.0-doesnt-follow-debian-policy' reason ** Changed in: firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: adept = firefox-3.0 -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
I'm not sure I quite understand why this is happening; ubufox is still just listed as a recommended and not a true dependency. Is the new apt-get default behaviour to install recommended packages as well? -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
adding adept. setting firefox 3 to wont fix. if you think adept shouldnt add a hack for kde users thats fine. Its just nothing i will change in firefox. not installing -gnome-support will make a bunch of features disappear ... suggest is not good enough. similar to ubufox. its a core ubuntu component and not just a suggest. ** Also affects: adept (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Won't Fix -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
as it simply best works with it ... - recommends. its more or less essential to get a complete firefox experience ... not an optional addon. political - kde is an unusual install as they dont have the gnome libs. we support that by not putting gnome stuff into firefox package, but in a recommends. if kubuntu doesnt want to use that option its their choice. -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
All we need is to remove ubufox as Firefox dependency. Ubunfox is anyway a completely unnecessary Extension. Firefox need ubufox, ubufox need apturl, apturl need synaptic ... an so on -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
** Also affects: apt (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: aptitude (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: synaptic (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: packagekit (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: smart (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: update-manager (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Kubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to adept in ubuntu. -- kubuntu-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
Since Firefox is part of the Ubuntu default install, how about (for Jaunty) dropping ubufox to suggests and seeding it directly for Ubuntu? -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
We aren't sure about the affect on update-manager. [18:55:05] apachelogger JontheEchidna: would update-manager actually install the recommends? [18:55:22] -*- apachelogger isn't too sure about that [18:55:28] JontheEchidna perhaps if firefox got dragged in as a new package that needed to be installed -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
I think we all need to realize there are differences between gtk as a toolkit and gnome as a desktop environment and what constitutes a reasonable requirement to have a strong relationship which forces one to install a gnome dep for an app which is supposed to be gtk based and desktop agnostic. If the app is not truly desktop agnostic, I would understand, but it is supposed to be. Perhaps some meta package magic would help. For a gnome desktop experience, seeding a meta package in the gnome-desktop (or similar) to pull in the extra bits seems much better than cramming everything down the pipe to users of Xfce, KDE, etc. Only my 2 cents though as an observer. -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
Alexander, you are proposing that every package management tool adds a special case to not install -gnome-support and ubufox when installing firefox and on kde? I'm not sure exactly what features these provide, but I would tend to agree with ScottK. If a KDE user installs firefox without -gnome-support and ubufox, what do they miss out on? Thanks, James -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
The issue is that ubufox deps on apturl which in itself is a Gnome app and requires a lot of gnome deps. Instead, it would be better if ubufox had alternatives it could call for apturl (possibly install-package for KDE) and let either/or satisfy the dep in ubufox. So, this perhaps then is not a issue specific to firefox, but rather one exposed through firefox as it deps on ubufox, which is Gnome centric (at the moment at least) -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
still incomplete. please provide me with the asked information (even though this is a MASTER now) ** Summary changed: - firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps + MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps ** Changed in: firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
The command sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends firefox installs: firefox firefox-3.0 firefox-3.0-branding libidl0 libstartup-notification0 xulrunner-1.9 sudo apt-get install firefox installs: apturl docbook-xml firefox firefox-3.0 firefox-3.0-branding gamin gconf2 gconf2-common gksu gnome-app-install gnome-icon-theme gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data gnome-mount libavahi-glib1 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libcairo-perl libgamin0 libgconf2-4 libgksu2-0 libglade2-0 libglib-perl libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-canvas-perl libgnome2-common libgnome2-perl libgnome2-vfs-perl libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libgnomevfs2-extra libgp11-0 libgtk2-perl libgtkhtml2-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common libidl0 liblaunchpad-integration1 libnotify1 liborbit2 libpam-gnome-keyring libpolkit-gnome0 librsvg2-common libscrollkeeper0 libsexy2 libstartup-notification0 libvte-common libvte9 libwnck-common libwnck22 libxres1 notification-daemon policykit-gnome python-cairo python-gconf python-glade2 python-gst0.10 python-gtk2 python-gtkhtml2 python-launchpad-integration python-numeric python-pyorbit python-sexy python-vte scrollkeeper sgml-data software-properties-gtk synaptic ubufox xulrunner-1.9 So, there *is* a way to install firefox w/o installing gnome - that's great (And thanks). I wouldn't call it abvious in any way -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 292403] Re: MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps
adept should fix its install data then. ** Changed in: adept (Ubuntu) Sourcepackagename: firefox-3.0 = adept Importance: Undecided = Medium Status: Incomplete = Triaged -- MASTER firefox 3.03 in kubuntu 8.10 requires gnome apps https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/292403 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
