[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-08-02 Thread Robbob
Will this be included in Lucid?

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-08-02 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
as a backport, maybe. but it clearly requires more testing before.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-07-31 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: ruby1.8 (Debian)
   Status: Won't Fix = Fix Released

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-07-31 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package ruby1.8 - 1.8.7.299-2

---
ruby1.8 (1.8.7.299-2) unstable; urgency=low

  * Convert from dpatch to quilt using dpatch2quilt.sh
  * Add patch 100730_disable_getsetcontext_on_nptl: disable getsetcontext on
NPTL. LP: #307462, Closes: #579229
  * Added 100730_verbose-tests.patch: run tests in verbose mode.
  * Run make test-all, but do not consider failures fatal for now.
  * Upgrade to Standards-Version: 3.9.1. No changes needed.
  * Deal with Ubuntu changing the GCC target to i686-linux-gnu: search
for libs in i486-linux too. LP: #611322.
 -- Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net   Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:45:14 -0400

** Changed in: ruby1.8 (Ubuntu)
   Status: In Progress = Fix Released

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-07-31 Thread Dan Peterson
Also fixes #317206?

Thanks for sticking with this!

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Re: [Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-07-31 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 31/07/10 at 18:51 -, Dan Peterson wrote:
 Also fixes #317206?
 
 Thanks for sticking with this!

Yes! Marked as Fix Released.
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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-07-28 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: ruby1.8 (Debian)
   Status: Unknown = Won't Fix

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-07-27 Thread Mikhail Turov
** Also affects: ruby1.8 (Debian) via
   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579229
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-06-29 Thread Andre Nathan
A fix has been commited to the upstream repository recently:

http://redmine.ruby-
lang.org/repositories/diff/ruby-18/configure.in?rev=28404

This shouldn't require any changes to the ./configure options, just a
rebuild of the package. It would be great if the fix could be added to
the Debian/Ubuntu package too.

Best regards,
Andre

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-06-19 Thread Dan Peterson
This is the one I opened:

http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/show/2553

I need to do that verification but a quick look at the configure.in
history in the 1.8.7 branch doesn't show anything interesting recently
related to ucontext or pthreads.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-06-10 Thread Mark Carey
Lucas Nussbaum wrote on 2010-04-27:
 On the other hand, lots of people are not that unhappy with the state of
 Ruby in Debian/Ubuntu.

Argument from silence doesn't really hold much weight.  The pthreads
issue is longstanding known issue in the ruby community.  The refusal of
ubuntu to address it caused many ubuntu users to go build our own ruby,
which I've done on any system where I cared about ruby performance for
the last 3 years or so.  I'm only speaking up now because I'm trying to
be a better community member, what ever that means.

 It would be better if the energy spent on REE would be spent on
 improving Ruby 1.8 or 1.9... But anyway. 

Actually all of the patches were submitted back upstream, but ruby-core
are very slow to move.

 There are currently plans to
 provide a way to support several ruby versions at the same time, with
 all the libraries available for all implementations. It might make sense
 to package REE at this point (or just apply the patches to a special ruby1.8 
 build).

I'm very much in favor of this. Although at the moment, REE is only a
ruby 1.8.7 alternative, not 1.9. The difference tho for memory usage
between REE  MRI 1.8.7 is striking.  The current deb's provided by
phusion for REE install the ruby binaries to /usr/local, which may or
may not be a problem for other users consuming them.

 Are you aware that RVM messes with your .bash* to achieve what it
wants to do?

Considering that it gives you the ability to do things like gemsets,
project specific configuration, I think the tradeoffs far outweigh the
risks.

Besides I dump all the default ubuntu .bash* tweaks anyway, and rvm
works fine with what I use, and hasn't caused any problems to date.

Further rvm allows to manage ruby for each user without the need for
elevated privileges, which is quite nice for a number of reasons.

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Re: [Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-06-10 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 10/06/10 at 21:22 -, Mark Carey wrote:
 Lucas Nussbaum wrote on 2010-04-27:
  On the other hand, lots of people are not that unhappy with the state of
  Ruby in Debian/Ubuntu.
 
 Argument from silence doesn't really hold much weight.  The pthreads
 issue is longstanding known issue in the ruby community.  The refusal of
 ubuntu to address it caused many ubuntu users to go build our own ruby,
 which I've done on any system where I cared about ruby performance for
 the last 3 years or so.  I'm only speaking up now because I'm trying to
 be a better community member, what ever that means.
 
  It would be better if the energy spent on REE would be spent on
  improving Ruby 1.8 or 1.9... But anyway. 
 
 Actually all of the patches were submitted back upstream, but ruby-core
 are very slow to move.

Could you point to the redmine bugs describing the patches?
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Re: [Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-04-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 26/04/10 at 17:54 -, Brian Takita wrote:
 I do want a good solution, however, it seems the ruby  debian community
 are often at odds. I somewhat understand why it is so difficult to
 reconcile.

Some people on the Ruby side like to throw fuel on the fire, which
doesn't help. But in general, I think that we have a pretty good
understanding of our disagreements. The situation is very complex, and
users always seem to think that there's a simple solution. But it's easy
to solve 80% of the problems, very much harder to solve the remaining
20%.

 The thing I'm worried about is that I do not use the ubuntu/debian ruby
 stack at all, because it simply does not do what I want it to do. I
 can't use it. I'm sorry, but that is the truth. I think that a number of
 other developers agree with me too.

On the other hand, lots of people are not that unhappy with the state of
Ruby in Debian/Ubuntu.

 Using the REE package is not a slight for the maintainers of the Ruby
 package. MRI is slow, and REE fixes some of the slowness. I just wanted
 to share because others may want a faster version of Ruby that is .deb
 packaged.

It would be better if the energy spent on REE would be spent on
improving Ruby 1.8 or 1.9... But anyway. There are currently plans to
provide a way to support several ruby versions at the same time, with
all the libraries available for all implementations. It might make sense
to package REE at this point (or just apply the patches to a special
ruby1.8 build).

 Maybe RVM (Ruby version manager) will be a good solution. You can have a
 RVM package using the ruby with --enable-pthreads to keep compatibility
 with tk, and have a streamlined version of ruby (no pthreads MRI or REE)
 for general development. Maybe a rule that the number of packages that
 depend on the streamlined version of ruby should be limited?

Are you aware that RVM messes with your .bash* to achieve what it wants
to do?
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Re: [Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-04-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 26/04/10 at 18:03 -, Brian Takita wrote:
  I don't want to be locked into the debian world when it comes to Ruby.
 
 Not to say that the debian process cannot be improved. It certainly can.
 PPA's work great, for example. Maybe a PPA can be part of the solution.

PPAs are not available for Debian. Canonical management said they didn't
have the resources to provide it. And on the Debian side, we apparently
don't feel that it is too important, since we already have Debian
experimental to provide packages that are not really ready for Debian
unstable.
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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-04-26 Thread bronto
I'd add my 0.02.

Maybe you could provide two different packages for ruby, the current
stock version and another one compiled with --disable-pthreads?

I've just filed this wishlist entry to Debian: http://bugs.debian.org
/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579229

Ciao
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   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579229

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-04-26 Thread Brian Takita
Another possibility is to use Ruby Enterprise Edition. I use it now and
I love it. So far there have not been any compatibility issues.

They even have a deb package.
http://www.rubyenterpriseedition.com/download.html

Even though they say it's for 8.04, it works on 9.04, 9.10, and 10.04.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-04-26 Thread Brian Takita
Basically REE is Ruby 1.8.7 but MUCH faster. It doesn't do pthreads,
supports copy-on-write when forking, optimizes threading, etc. It also
takes over ruby, which IMO is a plus.

The other nice thing is it does not need to be officially maintained by
debian, so politics won't factor in here. It would be nice if debian
maintained it, however I trust the folks at Phusion more then debian
when it comes to maintaining Ruby. :-)

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-04-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Brian, please stop being such an asshole. You are totally free to use
REE, but then don't come here spamming the ruby1.8 bug reports with
insults to the Debian Ruby maintainers (I am one of those, btw).

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-04-26 Thread Brian Takita
Your right, that last quip was uncalled for.

I do want a good solution, however, it seems the ruby  debian community
are often at odds. I somewhat understand why it is so difficult to
reconcile.

Ruby uses rubygems, which work great btw. Ruby has lots of different
types of packages and versions. Things in Ruby move fast and debian is
all about stability. The culture and processes are vastly different.
What I meant by trusting Phusion more, is Phusion part of the Ruby
culture and thus more compatible with most Ruby development. I don't
want to be locked into the debian world when it comes to Ruby.
Everything else, I'm happy to be in the debian world.

The thing I'm worried about is that I do not use the ubuntu/debian ruby
stack at all, because it simply does not do what I want it to do. I
can't use it. I'm sorry, but that is the truth. I think that a number of
other developers agree with me too.

Using the REE package is not a slight for the maintainers of the Ruby
package. MRI is slow, and REE fixes some of the slowness. I just wanted
to share because others may want a faster version of Ruby that is .deb
packaged.

This probably is the wrong forum for this discussion. I'm happy to take
it elsewhere if you wish to continue.

Maybe RVM (Ruby version manager) will be a good solution. You can have a
RVM package using the ruby with --enable-pthreads to keep compatibility
with tk, and have a streamlined version of ruby (no pthreads MRI or REE)
for general development. Maybe a rule that the number of packages that
depend on the streamlined version of ruby should be limited?

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-04-26 Thread Brian Takita
 I don't want to be locked into the debian world when it comes to Ruby.

Not to say that the debian process cannot be improved. It certainly can.
PPA's work great, for example. Maybe a PPA can be part of the solution.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-01-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
** Changed in: ruby1.8 (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Won't Fix

** Changed in: ruby1.8 (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Lucas Nussbaum (lucas)

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-01-03 Thread Dan Peterson
What

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-01-03 Thread Dan Peterson
Argh, sorry. What's the reasoning for this update? As far as I can tell
the patch would still be beneficial with the current 1.8.7 patchlevel.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-01-03 Thread Dan Peterson
Created upstream bug: http://redmine.ruby-lang.org/issues/show/2553

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2010-01-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Anyway, my position is still that this should be upstreamed first. I'm
not going to add that patch to the Debian (or Ubuntu) package if
upstream doesn't want to add it themselves.

Marking the bug as In Progress to reflect the fact that we are waiting
for a decision from upstream.

** Changed in: ruby1.8 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Won't Fix = In Progress

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-11-05 Thread Nigel Kersten
According to Matz, this is no longer an issue in Ruby 1.8.7

http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-core/23583

yet I'm still seeing performance improvements in general with the ruby
benchmark suite when applying the configure.in patch from
timetobleed.com against 1.8.7 from Karmic.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-10-17 Thread Dan Peterson
I recommend the patch to configure.in described/linked here be applied:

http://timetobleed.com/fix-a-bug-in-rubys-configurein-and-get-a-30
-performance-boost/

It will fix the pthread slowness while keeping tk happy.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-09-11 Thread Brian Takita
I'd say drop tk support. I don't know anybody who uses it. (99%-1% rule
is probably in effect here).

I would also say that the onus is on the ruby-tk developer to make it
compatible without --enable-pthreads.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-06-07 Thread Harald Sitter
Honestly, I think it is better to have a product that is missing
functionality (especially since the GUI tookit feature is provided
through 3rd party [i.e. not upstream ruby] implementations of Qt and
GTK+ bindings) than a product that is so incredibly slow that anyone who
wishes to use it in sensible matter is kind of forced to build it from
source without pthreads.

Since one of Ruby's primary use cases is Rails it is all the more
important to have it work at sensible speed (promoting the Ubuntu server
stack and all).

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-06-07 Thread Harald Sitter
Oh, almost forgot :)
openSUSE ain't got no tk:
http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/6/idpl/11099074

Fedora does have tk though:
http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/ruby/ruby.spec?view=markup
Wasn't able to find a speed but in the RH bugzilla though (then again when 
asking google for ruby compiled from source, the first hit is about how to do 
that on RH :D)

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-03-05 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
When building without --enable-pthread:
compiling tk
*
**
** PTHREAD SUPPORT MODE ERROR: 
**
**   Ruby is not compiled with --enable-pthread, but your Tcl/Tk 
**   library seems to be compiled with pthread support. This
**   combination may cause frequent hang or segmentation fault
**   errors when Ruby/Tk is working. We recommend that you NEVER
**   create the library with such a combination of pthread support.
**
**   Please recompile Ruby with the --enable-pthread configure option
**   or recompile Tcl/Tk with the --disable-threads configure option.
**
*

So, the two options are:
(1) live with the performance penalty, keep --enable-pthread, close the bug
(2) ignore the warning (which prashant's blog recommends), and compile without 
--enable-pthread

We could maybe test (2) now in Ubuntu Jaunty, and see if bug reports
start popping up. What do you think?

** Changed in: ruby1.8 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Incomplete = New

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-03-05 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
I spoke too fast. removing --enable-pthread disables the build of ruby-tk and 
causes a build failure later in the process:
dh_movefiles -plibtcltk-ruby1.8 \
usr/lib/ruby/1.8/x86_64-linux/tcltklib.so \
usr/lib/ruby/1.8/x86_64-linux/tkutil.so
dh_movefiles: debian/tmp/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/x86_64-linux/tcltklib.so not found 
(supposed to put it in libtcltk-ruby1.8)
dh_movefiles: debian/tmp/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/x86_64-linux/tkutil.so not found 
(supposed to put it in libtcltk-ruby1.8)
tar: 
/home/lucas/dev/pkg-ruby/ruby1.8/build-area/ruby1.8-1.8.7.72/debian/movelist: 
Cannot stat: No such file or directory
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
tar: This does not look like a tar archive
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors

Doesn't sound like a regression we can live with.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-03-05 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
I built ruby1.8 with the following patch:
--- debian/rules(revision 201)
+++ debian/rules(working copy)
@@ -39,7 +39,6 @@
DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += 
--with-extra-search-path='/usr/lib/ruby/$(ruby_ver)/i386-linux'
 endif
 DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --program-suffix=$(ruby_ver)
-DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --enable-pthread
 DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --enable-shared
 DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --enable-ipv6
 DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --with-lookup-order-hack=INET
@@ -54,6 +53,7 @@
 DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --with-bundled-sha1
 DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --with-bundled-md5
 DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --with-bundled-rmd160
+DEB_CONFIGURE_USER_FLAGS += --disable-tcl-thread
 
 DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET = all test
 #DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET = all test test-all

It built fine, but when loading tk:
irb(main):002:0 require 'tk'
/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/tk.rb:1127: warning: Inconsistency. Loaded Tcl/Tk libraries 
are enabled nativethread-support. But `tcltklib' is not. The inconsistency 
causes SEGV or other troubles frequently.
= true
irb(main):003:0

It seems that the only option would be to drop ruby-tk support.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-02-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Please provide a reproducible test case, not just FUD.

I'm closing the bug, feel free to reopen when you can provide more info.

** Changed in: ruby-defaults (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Invalid

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-02-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
reassigning to ruby1.8

** Changed in: ruby1.8 (Ubuntu)
Sourcepackagename: ruby-defaults = ruby1.8

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-02-18 Thread Brian Takita
I provided a link to a benchmark.

The way to reproduce this issue is to run
sudo apt-get install ruby
ruby benchmark.rb

Compare the results with a compiled version of ruby:

wget ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/stable-snapshot.tar.gz
tar zxvf stable-snapshot.tar.gz
cd stable-snapshot
./configure
make
sudo make install

ruby benchmark.rb

As in the benchmark link I provided, you will see that the compiled
version of ruby is much faster.

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-02-18 Thread Brian Takita
Sorry, to get the compiled version of Ruby, use the following
instruction instead:

wget ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/1.8/ruby-1.8.7-p72.tar.gz
tar zxvf ruby-1.8.7-p72.tar.gz
cd ruby-1.8.7-p72
./configure
make
sudo make install

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-02-18 Thread Brian Takita
If you are interested in using the Ruby benchmark suite, you can get it
at:

http://github.com/acangiano/ruby-benchmark-suite/tree/master
git clone git://github.com/acangiano/ruby-benchmark-suite.git

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2009-02-18 Thread Brian Takita
I also used google to find some other people having issues with
--enable-pthreads.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ruby+enable-pthreadsie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/browse_thread/thread/a31872d447e867cb/40a92a28e9e03793?pli=1
http://blogs.sun.com/prashant/entry/ruby_and_enable_pthreads


** Changed in: ruby1.8 (Ubuntu)
   Status: Invalid = Incomplete

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[Bug 307462] Re: ruby is slow because of --enable-pthreads

2008-12-23 Thread Brian Takita
Until there is action on this, the best practice will be to compile
ruby from source, and not use this package, when using Ubuntu.

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