[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
Please don't bother installing Jaunty - if that's failing in Karmic, that's enough for me. So to sum up, it seems that both PolicyKit and gksu authentications fail. Does a simple sudo echo test works? I guess not, but I'd like to be sure. A log that you could also post here is /var/log/auth.log (or at least the last interesting lines of it). Moving to PAM, as it's a better place than the gnome-system-tools for that bug. I can't understand why this would only affect Xubuntu... ** Package changed: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) = pam (Ubuntu) ** Summary changed: - Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted + Changing your password does not allow admin authentication before session is restarted ** Description changed: - Steps to reporduce: - 1) Wait until system does not remember your password + Steps to reproduce: + 1) Wait until PolicyKit/sudo does not remember your password 2) Open System Users and Groups 3) click on your login name 4) click on Properties 5) set password by hand 6) click OK 7) enter old password - The password has not changed. + + Then try to authenticate by starting an administrative application like + Synaptic or Date Time. Authentication always fails. OS: Xubuntu 8.10 Xfce 4 Desktop Environment version 4.5.91 WORKAROUND: after changing password, user must log out and log in again. -- Changing your password does not allow admin authentication before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
So thanks for providing the details now. This bug was not Triaged, it was merely Confirmed. Sure, you had in mind the details, but nobody else did. So, what was not mentioned in the report or the comments is: changing your password does not allow you to authenticate via sudo. You're really not helping the reporter nor Xubuntu in general by preventing anybody to mark bugs as Incomplete. How do you know it's a problem in users-admin? Isn't that a sudo or PAM issue? Is it happening because the system-tools-backends use usermod to set the password instead of passwd? Finding the right package is the first step, else nobody will notice the report. And that's absolutely unrelated to GNOME/Xfce flamewars. BTW I'm not triaging bugs ATM, I'm fixing them, which requires information to write patches. If you realized the debugging needed, I could fix it *even if* I'm supposedly working in upstream GNOME and despising Xfce people. -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:22:33 - Milan Bouchet-Valat nalimi...@club.fr wrote: So thanks for providing the details now. This bug was not Triaged, it was merely Confirmed. Sure, you had in mind the details, but nobody else did. So, what was not mentioned in the report or the comments is: changing your password does not allow you to authenticate via sudo. You're really not helping the reporter nor Xubuntu in general by preventing anybody to mark bugs as Incomplete. How do you know it's a problem in users-admin? Isn't that a sudo or PAM issue? Is it happening because the system-tools-backends use usermod to set the password instead of passwd? Finding the right package is the first step, else nobody will notice the report. And that's absolutely unrelated to GNOME/Xfce flamewars. BTW I'm not triaging bugs ATM, I'm fixing them, which requires information to write patches. If you realized the debugging needed, I could fix it *even if* I'm supposedly working in upstream GNOME and despising Xfce people. Thank you. I do realize the debugging needed. I also realize how many bugs here get closed by individuals meaning to do good without knowing what harm they are doing. As Quality Assurance Lead for Xubuntu, I tend to keep a close watch on the bugs. I also try to work closely with developers to get the information they need. I apologize if I mis-stepped here. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
Do you have any idea of were this problem comes from? Are you able to reproduce it in Karmic? I'm not able to reproduce the problem here, so I'd need somebody to answer these questions. In particular, whether this also happens when changing password using 'passwd', rather than using users-admin. Else, the problem lies elsewhere. -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:20:51 - Milan Bouchet-Valat nalimi...@club.fr wrote: Do you have any idea of were this problem comes from? Are you able to reproduce it in Karmic? I'm not able to reproduce the problem here, so I'd need somebody to answer these questions. In particular, whether this also happens when changing password using 'passwd', rather than using users-admin. Else, the problem lies elsewhere. In Karmic 9.10, even though there is a button to Change Password..., clicking on it does not allow a password change. The only method I know to change password in 9.10 is using the command line. I would hope no one will attempt that through the terminal while logged in, thinking they do not need to log out to have it take effect. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
Yeah, that's bug 484559. But does changing your password from the console using 'passwd' bring the same bug as the present report describes? If that's the case, that's a bug in PAM or sudo, and we should move it if we want it to be fixed some day. -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:15:54 - Milan Bouchet-Valat nalimi...@club.fr wrote: Yeah, that's bug 484559. But does changing your password from the console using 'passwd' bring the same bug as the present report describes? If that's the case, that's a bug in PAM or sudo, and we should move it if we want it to be fixed some day. I'm sorry, I misunderstood you the first time. I tried using passwd: 1. Log in as USER1 2. Open Xfce4-terminal 3. enter sudo passwd expiry USER1 response back 'password information changed' 4. Close terminal 5. go to Applications - System - Synaptic Package Manager 6. Need to enter Password; attempted to enter password used in step 3 above. Authentication failed. 7. go to Applications - System - Users and Groups 8. click on Keys (unlock for changes) 9. Enter password used in step 3 above. Authentication failed again. 10. Click on quit button, log-out. log in again, must enter new password to log in. I will install Jaunty tonight and run through both changing user password in the Users and Groups using passwd in the terminal. Will post the results. Do you need any debug logs or anything? Is there any other tests I can run? Thanks for trying to help with this. I do appreciate your time. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
No, what I see is this (maybe different bug): I open users-admin, I unlock, select the current user, and click on properties. When I try to change the password---so I enter the new password and press Change password, the tool just waits indefinitely. I cannot say it hangs, because I can click on the Quit button (maybe Exit button---I have Hungarian locale). -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
wierdlmate: You're not the original reporter, are you? The problem you describe seems to be linked with bug 490093. Please comment on that bug, not here - are you able to change your password from the console using 'passwd'? Closing this report by lack of feedback since august. Please reopen if you can provide more information. ** Changed in: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Invalid -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
Xubuntu has a policy of not closing a bug report simply to get rid of it. This was triaged in January 2009. There is no need for further follow-ups unless it becomes fixed. Lack of feedback is not a valid reason to close a triaged bug. Please insure the fix is valid before closing. ** Changed in: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid = Triaged -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
Charlie Kravetz: You said you were able to reproduce the bug. Could you give me details on that? I can keep it open indefinitely, but that won't help, while cluttering my TODO list. I don't think your policy is to keep reports open disregarding the fact that we can't reproduce them. There have been important changes in the PolicyKit area, meaning that the original problem may well have disappeared. And I'd really like somebody to tell me what precisely take effect means for a password... Please insure the fix is valid before closing. What fix? Is that a stock reply? ** Changed in: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Incomplete -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
Thanks for attempting to reproduce the problem, Milan. When you tried that, were you using Jaunty or Karmic? The dup I submitted (418337) was for Jaunty. Also, did you try to reproduce the symptom I reported in that bug, which was different from the one reported here? -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
Details to reproduce it were to install Xubuntu 8.10, go to Add Users, change your password, exit Add Users. At that point, you can not use sudo for anything because you must log out and log back in. As I already said, this bug was reported against Xubuntu, triaged against Xubuntu, you changed things to reflect a gnome issue. It is still a valid bug in Xubuntu. Please move on and work the bugs that are not triaged, instead of the ones that are. ** Changed in: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Triaged -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 315002] Re: Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted
If I understand correctly the problem, you can only hit that bug when trying to get admin rights without having restarted your session. Is that the case? If so, I'm not able to reproduce that. Anyway, I'd see that more as a PAM/PolicyKit issue. Warning users is a mere workaround, since changes should take effect immediately. Thanks for your feedback! ** Summary changed: - Changing your password by Users and Groups dialog does not work in Xfce + Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted ** Changed in: gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Incomplete -- Changing your password does not take effect before session is restarted https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315002 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
