[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
** Changed in: indicator-applet Status: New = Invalid -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
Even the most well intentioned changes create an incompatibility, not only with how GNOME behaves by default, but with Debian and other Debian-based distros where DEB packages may have just worked. Instead of just doing all of this outside of the GNOME project and throwing Ubuntu's weight around to get them to begrudgingly maybe accept it later, it may have been nicer to get them to approve some of this into a blueprint for a real GNOME release at some point. If the feature is as valuable as you say, then it shouldn't take a lot of arm twisting. BTW, this new notifications thing also makes for problems with all but a few gtk2 theming engines built with it in mind, things like volume notifications and maybe more are practically guaranteed not to work if you don't modify them or get them from gnome-look.org This appears to be one of the things Ian Murdock was talking about a few years ago when he said As long as Debian has good children, packages built on one project will usually work in the other distribution. He was of course referring to the fact that Red Hat spawned a lot of forks years ago that are now mostly incompatible with one another. It's sad that Ubuntu is becoming the Suse to Debian's Red Hat, yeah maybe some of the stuff that's happening makes sense, but a lot of it jsut breaks compatibility for no reason. -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
I find this hiding behind the HIG when GNOME programs (such as Empathy) don't actually follow it in the first place. -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
There is no incompatible changes there only options and notify-osd has fallback icons in hicolor so it will work with any theme, you should move your false claims to some other forums now -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
crapplet is even breaking the Minimize to Tray plugin for Rhythmbox. do you really think that being insulting will make people consider your comments? the changes there have nothing to do with rhythmbox -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
you can also read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Jaunty/StracciatellaSession on how to use vanilla upstream behaviour -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
Ryan, please don't use language like that, it just angers people, making it much harder for them to read your reasoning. -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
Bruce: My reasoning is this, the Message Indicator (being polite) is a tweak that changes the user interface in a way that breaks standard GNOME behavior. This may be OK if Ubuntu wants to maintain out of tree patches for everything in their repository that wants to use the notification area, this is a lot of packages, but then again, it's their time+effort. It also means that if I go grab software from some place else or build something myself, I have to either put up with bugs (user) or release a standard version for normal GNOME and anything that's not Ubuntu, and one for Ubuntu specifically so that it obeys this wonderful gadget (being extremely polite). Now for Sebastien: It's not right to tell a user to go add more fluff to make the software behave appropriately, it's also extraneous. Let's take the example of web standards, we all know where Internet Explorer has been, Microsoft was so worried about tacking on whatever widgets they could and wanted non standard behavior, now they have no less than 4 rendering engines behavior sets in IE8, this standard GNOME desktop plugin you mention immediately makes me thing of that. Now I have no idea, nor do I really care if you guys have focus groups, or where you get this (again being extremely courteous), but to me, as a user of GNOME, and a power user of Linux, I can't help but to be corralled here just a little, this behavior is about the grossest thing I've seen done to GNOME since the Suse Choose Your Own Adventure menu, and that really is just how I feel about it. Sorry if you can't take a little pinch of criticism. -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
@Sebastien It's quite easy to see how this wrecks Rhythmbox if you'll humor me. Open Rhythmbox, Edit/Plugins, select Minimize to Tray (grits teeth), exit that menu, and then click the X button (close), the plug in is designed to send it to the notification area instead of to close it, therefore this Message Indicator is causing a bug with Rhythmbox. Also, if you close Pidgin, it won't just automatically go tuck itself into the Message Indicator, it'll close, and you have to log back into all your chat services. This is most of what I meant Usability disaster. -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
I've not read all you rant but the message indicator is an applet which is used by a specific lib, it has nothing to do with the notification area and rhyhtmbox got no distro change so whatever you have with rhythmbox is not the due this one -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
You can call it a rant if you like, I call it being angry that Ubuntu is becoming so untenable that I have just backed up over a years worth of data to go find something else to use, I'm sure that I won't be alone in feeling that this breakdown of usability is occurring. I thought maybe saying something about all the stuff it breaks would maybe make some pause for consideration, but instead I got the You'll use this incredibly dumbed down/broken stuff and like it speech that I've become all too accustomed to, so to hell with this. -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
I'm also sorry to see Ubuntu move in this direction, but a bug report is not the right place to change their mind. The mailing list is. ** Changed in: indicator-applet (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Invalid -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
you are welcome to use an another os but there is nothing in those change that you can't change to tbe intrepid behaviour, they are really simple configuration options -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
So if you don't mind my asking, what do you have to remove to make GNOME behave properly? What settings, if any do you have to tweak? And please don't say Install fluff, because I don't do fluff. -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
Not that you're attitude makes me want to help you, but if you want Pidgin (which isn't part of GNOME btw) to behave the way you think it should. Simply go to: Tools - Preferences - System Tray Icon and change it to Always. No need to install or un-install any thing. Rhythmbox minimizes to tray correctly for me with the plugin enabled. You can question the usefulness or readiness of the new applet, but the argument that it breaks standard GNOME behavior is just simply un- true. Applications which permanently sit in the notification area not following standard GNOME behavior. From the GNOME Human Interface Guidline [1]: The utility of the notification area decreases rapidly when more than about four icons are always present. For this reason, icons that appear only temporarily in response to events are preferable. [1] http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/desktop-notification- area.html.en -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
This is clearly a bad thing. ** Also affects: indicator-applet (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: indicator-applet (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better. Unfortunately, we can't fix it because your description didn't include enough information. You may find it helpful to read How to report bugs effectively http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html. We'd be grateful if you would then provide a more complete description of the problem. We have instructions on debugging some types of problems at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures. At a minimum, we need: 1. the specific steps or actions you took that caused you to encounter the problem, 2. the behavior you expected, and 3. the behavior you actually encountered (in as much detail as possible). Thanks! ** Changed in: indicator-applet (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Incomplete -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 346159] Re: Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior
1. I dislike the way that thing replaces Pidgin and Evolution icons instead of letting them reside in the notification menu, which is how GNOME should work. Removing the indicator applet from the GNOME panel does not restore the correct behavior, my guess is that the applications themselves (Pidgin/Evolution) have been patched by Ubuntu somehow so as to not be able to reside in the notification area. 2. The behavior I expected is how any distribution or version of Ubuntu lower than Jaunty behaves, when I click close on Pidgin, it should go to the notification area, when I close Evolution it should close, and this crapplet is even breaking the Minimize to Tray plugin for Rhythmbox. 3. The behavior I encountered in my words, would be that someone thought it would be dandy to save one-hojillionth of an inch of panel space by stuffing every notification icon into a menu foreign to GNOME itself and by patching applications with special Ubuntu patches, this is a major usability disaster and a half implemented one at that, which breaks unrelated programs (such as Rhythmbox). 4. I would propose that if this function cannot be implemented without patching the crap out of GNOME and the various applications in the repo that need to be in the notification area, that it is probably a very bad idea that should be aborted while we're behind. Thank you. -- Closing or removing indicator-applet does not restore correct GNOME behavior https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/346159 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
