[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
@Matthew: If you installed msmtp-mta, you wouldn't need the symlink. ;) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 Title: mdadm installs postfix To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/379882/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
You can tell mdadm not to install postfix by simply passing in the --no-install-recommends param, such as `sudo apt-get install mdadm --no-install-recommends` In my setup, I used msmtp, symlinked it `ln -s /usr/bin/msmtp /usr/sbin/sendmail`, and mdadm now sends mail through this lightweight email sender. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 Title: mdadm installs postfix To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/379882/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Even if an actual MTA is added to the d-i pkgsel/include debconf question in the installer preseed file, setting up software RAID in the installer will cause postfix to be installed, prompting the user for configuration information, and then postfix will silently be replaced with the MTA requested by the preseed file. The whole point of preseeding is to automate stuff. If an MTA has already been selected and its configuration preseeded by the person who built the custom installer, then installing a different MTA, interrupting the person performing the install to ask them unexpected questions whose answers are going to be discarded, and then uninstalling the spurious MTA seems pretty sub-optimal. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 Title: mdadm installs postfix To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/379882/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Hello and thank you to everyone who reported and commented on this issue. The package maintainers have chosen to recommend an MTA for a very good reason. By default, mdadm sends problems to the local user, 'root'. If you haven't setup an MTA, root is just going to be ignored and problems will be missed. You are quite welcome to remove postfix, or to ask synaptic/aptitude/apt-get not to install Recommends. When mdadm is installed from the CD during install or upgrade, it does not pull in any MTA, only when it is manually added later. I know that this is somewhat confusing, but postfix and other MTA's can be configured very easily during installation not to listen on any ports or expose your system to any danger, so its not a security issue either. I am going to flag this one as Opinion. It seems there are some strong feelings here and its worth hearing more before closing the bug. However, I think the current situation is fine and should not be changed. ** Changed in: mdadm (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: mdadm (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Opinion -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 Title: mdadm installs postfix -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
When mdadm is installed from the CD during install or upgrade, it does not pull in any MTA, only when it is manually added later. I have to disagree with you there. If I install mdadm during the installation postfix gets pulled in. I can easily reproduce it (see my earlier post). However, if the behavior would be install postfix if manually installed, that would be great for all cases I guess. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 Title: mdadm installs postfix -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Excerpts from Mathieu Mitchell's message of Wed Apr 27 02:07:36 UTC 2011: When mdadm is installed from the CD during install or upgrade, it does not pull in any MTA, only when it is manually added later. I have to disagree with you there. If I install mdadm during the installation postfix gets pulled in. I can easily reproduce it (see my earlier post). However, if the behavior would be install postfix if manually installed, that would be great for all cases I guess. I should be more clear. When mdadm is installed to support software RAID configured during installation, it does not pull in postfix. If it is manually selected then it will still install with the recommended packages. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 Title: mdadm installs postfix -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Guys, this is ludicrous. I just installed Ubuntu 10.10 and grabbed mdadm and to my surprise postfix was forced upon me. Notification of system problems is done by a syslog facility, and in the syslog facility you can configure email alerts if so you wish, then you can also send the alerts to a central log server for secure safeguarding. This dependency on postfix should not even be suggested. There should be no dependency at all. Allowing this is a security issue, who downgraded this above is completely and utterly mistaken. This gives Linux and Ubuntu a bad name, can this please , please, please be sorted. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 Title: mdadm installs postfix -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
The recommended automatically installs postfix in a preseeded alternate cd installation (or netboot installer) where you have software raid (mdadm gets installed, and recommends are automatically installed). -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Mathieu what version did you use, and what did you preseed? I used plain 9.10 alternate to install on raid and it did not install postfix with mdadm, but synaptic would pull it in if it's installed later. -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Sorry I should have been clearer, I used lucid's latest netboot, with the preseed file I attached. ** Attachment added: ubuntu-lucid-raid-preseed.txt http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44352396/ubuntu-lucid-raid-preseed.txt -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Excerpt of installer's syslog with debconf debugging turned on: Apr 15 17:15:31 in-target: debconf (developer): starting /usr/bin/debconf-apt-progress --no-progress --logstderr -- apt-get -q -y --no-remove install mdadm Apr 15 17:15:31 in-target: debconf (developer): -- GET debconf/priority Apr 15 17:15:31 in-target: debconf (developer): -- 0 high Apr 15 17:15:31 in-target: Reading package lists... Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: Building dependency tree... Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: Reading state information... Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: The following extra packages will be installed: Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: postfix ssl-cert Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: Suggested packages: Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: procmail postfix-mysql postfix-pgsql postfix-ldap postfix-pcre sasl2-bin Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: resolvconf postfix-cdb mail-reader ufw Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: The following NEW packages will be installed: Apr 15 17:15:32 in-target: mdadm postfix ssl-cert -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
ceg: I am using 9.10 -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Ok, so you used synaptic to install mdadm later on (it did not come with the initial install from alternate CD), right? -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Ah, sorry I over-read you updated. ** Description changed: Binary package hint: mdadm When upgrading to Jaunty from Intrepid, the mdadm package installed postfix. I can't see why a package that manage software RAID partitions needs a mail transport agent, but what is worse is that my desktop machine is suddenly turned into a mail server. One of the reasons Ubuntu desktop is deemed secure is that it does not run unnecessary services. The dependency has been introduced in version 2.6.7.1-1ubuntu5; from the changelog: mdadm (2.6.7.1-1ubuntu5) jaunty; urgency=low - * Depend on postfix | mail-transport-agent, to ensure we get the - correct default MTA for Ubuntu. + * Depend on postfix | mail-transport-agent, to ensure we get the + correct default MTA for Ubuntu. - During the upgrade the postfix configuration was run and although I ticked not to configure, the postfix service was running by default anyway. - - I manually uninstalled postfix and mdadm runs perfectly fine. Can this dependency be removed? + During the upgrade the postfix configuration was run and although I + ticked not to configure, the postfix service was running by default + anyway. + + I manually uninstalled postfix and mdadm runs perfectly fine. Can this + dependency be removed? + + -- + + - mdadm should by default only install with a small local mail delivery + system (like esmtp + procmail) but not postfix on desktops, laptops + etc.! On servers postfix is pulled in by server tasks anyway. + + Here is how to setup esmtp+procmail: + apt-get install esmtp procmail + echo mda=\'/usr/bin/formail -a \Date: \`date -R\`\ \| /usr/bin/procmail -d %T\' /etc/esmtprc + (as documented in /usr/share/doc/esmtp/README) -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
The monitoring facility of mdadm is very important to get notice if somthing goes wrong with your raid. So you can replace disks etc. ahead of a total failure. To send out notifications mdadm needs a sendmail command (MTA mail transport agent ). To deliver mail localy you need a mail delivery agent (MDA) Things like exim, postfix open network ports and are large and not easy to configure, but of course provide the sendmail command and delivery. If none of the large MTAs is installed, yes mdadm should pull in a replacement like esmtp + procmail but no postfix on desktops. -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
causticsoda: what release were you using? ** Changed in: mdadm (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released = Confirmed -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Current mdadm in 9.10 has recommends: postfix | mail-transport-agent. My installation did not pull in an MTA. Did you use synaptic that treats recommends as requires? ** Changed in: mdadm (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released ** Changed in: mdadm (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released = Confirmed ** Changed in: mdadm (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Incomplete ** Changed in: mdadm (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Confirmed -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Bug #535417: mdadm monitor feature broken, not depending on local MTA/MDA or using wall/notify-send ** Changed in: mdadm (Ubuntu) Status: New = Fix Released -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
Agree, I had to manually remove postfix, and set up msmtp-mta instead. I prefer the approach Debian takes which has mail-transport-agent as a recommends dependency. I don't know exactly how Debian works, but I presume it presents the user with the option to install various MTA's or not install one at all. -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
** This bug is no longer flagged as a security vulnerability -- mdadm installs postfix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/379882 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 379882] Re: mdadm installs postfix
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