[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I just installed Lucid and found that the Tahoma replacement isn't working in Firefox. After reading this I see why. Call me odd, but I liked the replacement font and it fixed formatting issues on a number of sites. Is there some way to make this work the way it did in Karmic, ie. before the fix in #52? I would like the font system wide, but mainly so it will be used when Tahoma is called for on a website. Thanks. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
If you want to make it system-wide just copy it from /usr/share/wine/fonts to ~/.fonts or /usr/share/fonts/truetype -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Using karmic. The wine version is not backported still. The bug persists. Fixed by removing the font manually. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
This bug was fixed in the package wine1.2 - 1.1.42-0ubuntu2 --- wine1.2 (1.1.42-0ubuntu2) lucid; urgency=low * Make embedded tahoma font wine-specifc again [LP: #514493, #412195] * Rebuild with new libpng (LP: #554293) * Include IT translation for menu items (Sergio Zanchetta) * Higher version number to surpass PPA version (LP: #530493) -- Scott Ritchie scottritc...@ubuntu.com Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:08:44 -0700 ** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Fix Released -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = In Progress -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
My comment on comments in #45ཿ * the original bug report was about the embedded bitmaps - actually the original bug said it makes sites look ugly in Firefox and other browsers * although the replacement tahoma font works fine for non-bold and bold on LCD monitors, on LCD monitors with sub-pixel antialiasing, there is essentially no difference between normal weight and bold weight. Please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+bug/50529 So although bug 514493 is about restricting tahoma to wine, should we not also be reporting the LCD-bold issue upstream and getting that fixed? Should this have a different bug? -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I have reported the separate bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.2/+bug/514493 The comments after by the way in #45 reflect a misunderstanding of the user experience, and a lack of attention to what I wrote in #44: * I did not express like or dislike of the font. That's not relevant. * I did not claim the fontconfig treatment of ttf-tahoma-replacment was not *intended* by the developers/maintainers of those packages. I simply pointed out that the overall behaviour is *unexpected* (to users), and we can confirm that it is *not advertised* (by, or to, anyone) by looking at the package descriptions. Indeed, even if users felt that the Tahoma replacement IMPROVED the appearance of some websites, they would STILL be surprised that this change only happened when they installed wine1.2. Put another way, bugs can arise from software that functions perfectly but ships with configuration that causes confusion in users. This is clearly the case in bug #514493. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
For Lucid I'm going to fold Tahoma back into being a Wine-specific font unless it improves substantially. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Is the fact that out-of-the-box Ubuntu lacks anti-aliasing for sites that use Tahoma also a separate issue? -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Eric Appleman wrote: Is the fact that out-of-the-box Ubuntu lacks anti-aliasing for sites that use Tahoma also a separate issue? Yes, please file a separate bug report, attach a screenshot and describe how to reproduce the bug (e.g. which websites you visit). Thanks. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
@Arne: as you suggested in #29, I researched fontconfig configuration files. If I put the attached file in my home directory (as ~/.fonts.conf), then Firefox no longer tries to use the Wine Tahoma replacement when websites request it. I copied the syntax from an example at http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration#Example_1 I disagree with your characterization of this bug. The original text is at the top of the page, but you say The bug here was that the embedded bitmaps of Tahoma got used by default, where it's not desired. Those things are not equivalent. A better description is The bug here is that Tahoma is installed and used *by the entire desktop*, where it's not desired. The average user would expect: 1. Install wine or wine1.2. 2. Run Windows applications. Instead they experience: 1. Install wine or wine1.2. 2. Run Windows applications. 3. The appearance of many websites in Firefox changes. Even as an experienced user, #3 is not obviously related to the wine1.2 package. It is also not an advertised effect of wine1.2; the package description does not say, Your web browser may start using the Tahoma replacement that Synaptic will install by default as a dependency of this package. Everyone commenting here, myself included, is surprised by this unintended effect of installing wine1.2. Some clarification (from Scott, maybe) would help: does Wine use fontconfig in any way? If not, then it should be possible to apply the setting I am using system-wide, so that only Wine applications use the Tahoma replacement. ** Attachment added: .fonts.conf http://launchpadlibrarian.net/38191851/.fonts.conf -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Paul Kishimoto wrote: @Arne: as you suggested in #29, I researched fontconfig configuration files. If I put the attached file in my home directory (as ~/.fonts.conf), then Firefox no longer tries to use the Wine Tahoma replacement when websites request it. I copied the syntax from an example at http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration#Example_1 I disagree with your characterization of this bug. The original text is at the top of the page, but you say The bug here was that the embedded bitmaps of Tahoma got used by default, where it's not desired. Those things are not equivalent. A better description is The bug here is that Tahoma is installed and used *by the entire desktop*, where it's not desired. My statement was that the original bug report was about the embedded bitmaps. That has been solved. After that other people hijacked this bug and made it a whole different issue. This should have been filed as a separate bug since they are two different things. And by the way, that the font is used system wide is not a bug, it's intended behaviour. Therefor if a website requests for Tahoma, you will see the Tahoma replacement font. Nothing wrong with that! That you and other users don't like the Tahoma font and want it to be replaced with something else is a totally different issue. We could however debate if the Tahoma replacement font was the right choice, even for Wine, or if we would be better off with the Liberation fonts, which are metric compatible to the Windows fonts. But that would also be a mere feature request and not a bug. It would be a bug if Wine would indeed explicitly depend on the Tahoma replacement font, IMHO (which should also be filed separately). -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
There is no liberation equivalent of Tahoma as far as I'm aware. That would be an ideal solution. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I confirm this bug in i386 and AMD64 Ubuntu 9.10 with the ttf-tahoma- replacement package. It makes some web-sites look ugly. With firefox ou Epiphany web browser http://lafibre.info/ are no character bold if ttf-tahoma-replacement is installed. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I'm suffering from the same issue. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
The bug still happens with Vietnamese characters http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7919/screenshot26i.png http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7844/screenshot27zg.png -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
So... Any hope on getting the snippet into the default Ubuntu install? -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Actually, ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some sites looking ugly. Probably this is only Cyrillic symbols. I attached a screenshot for this site http://www.computerra.ru/blog/sys/pismenny/324202/ ** Attachment added: screenshot http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36698604/bad_font.png -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
The fontconfig snippet is included and the font is no longer a dependency (rather a recommends), so I believe there's not much more that can be done Wine-side for this. ** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = New -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Eric, it is: check /etc/fonts/conf.d after installing ttf-tahoma- replacement. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Why should I need to install ttf-tahoma-replacement when the snippet belongs in Ubuntu main? I've used 4 different computers running Karmic and all of them need this snippet (and not ttf-tahoma-replacement!) in order for the web to look decent. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I'm still puzzled as to why the 20-tahoma.conf snippet has not been implemented is not installed by default with Ubuntu. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I'd like to now point out that the fonts are still aliased up on a fresh system even after installing MS fonts and ttf-tahoma-replacement. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Of course, this only applies to certain websites and default rendering size for certain fonts. If I increase my zoom to the next level, the fonts are no longer aliased. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
The problem I have with this font is that bold doesn't really so anything. This can be seen in the wrong.png picture attached in comment #25: the names of your friends are bold on Facebook, but in that picture they appear the same as regular. I'm pretty sure that can't be by design and is a bug. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Again this bug happen. Changing status to new ** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released = New ** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I agree with Eric, it's nothing to do with Tahoma as such: Karmic simply renders all fonts using embedded bitmaps where they are available. Did this used to happen? I don't remember having the problem before. Most embedded bitmaps are much worse renderings that what FreeType would naturally produce, simply because they're not anti-aliased. I think Ubuntu should set embeddedbitmaps false as default, and only turn it on for the packaged CJK fonts that really need it (because their hinting isn't sufficiently good to make the characters readable at smaller sizes). -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I'm not sure bitmaps are such a bad thing, provided they are only used without scaling. For the same reason png icons look better than svg ones at native size. 2009/9/22, bobince bobi...@gmail.com: I agree with Eric, it's nothing to do with Tahoma as such: Karmic simply renders all fonts using embedded bitmaps where they are available. Did this used to happen? I don't remember having the problem before. Most embedded bitmaps are much worse renderings that what FreeType would naturally produce, simply because they're not anti-aliased. I think Ubuntu should set embeddedbitmaps false as default, and only turn it on for the packaged CJK fonts that really need it (because their hinting isn't sufficiently good to make the characters readable at smaller sizes). -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
TTF Bitmaps are such a bad thing - that's what this bug is all about. The screenshots above demonstrate what using the embedded bitmaps looks like: Windows 2000. Most people don't want that. PNG icons look good because they're designed to display nicely ‘smoothed’ with built-in anti-aliasing. This isn't possible with TTF embedded bitmaps, which are purely 1bpp monochrome. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
This bug was fixed in the package wine1.2 - 1.1.29-0ubuntu2 --- wine1.2 (1.1.29-0ubuntu2) karmic; urgency=low * debian/rules: create separate wine1.2-debug package * debian/control: only build libmpg123 on i386 (seems amd64 is broken) * fontconfig file for tahoma to disable embedded bitmaps (LP: #412195) -- Scott Ritchie scottritc...@ubuntu.com Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:06:42 -0700 ** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/karmic/wine1.2 -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Reopening. Problem is not corrected. The font hinting is still wrong. ** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released = Incomplete ** Attachment added: wrong.png http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32285454/wrong.png -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Look at the number 9 in particular. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Well, the original bug was that the font applied no hinting, so we can at least confirm that part is fixed, yes? Technically the bug is fixed. Eric, I see what you're seeing, but that may simply be due to the fact that this font was not created by a professional typographer (or perhaps fontforge lacks the precision to get professional results in all cases). If the font can't rival the real Tahoma, perhaps we should still consider removing it system-wide (re-associating Tahoma back to DejaVu Sans), and allow only WINE make use of the replacement? -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I'd file a new bug if I knew exactly which packages to file against and how to best describe the bug in useful and technical manner. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Eric Starks Appleman wrote: I'd file a new bug if I knew exactly which packages to file against and how to best describe the bug in useful and technical manner. Please don't do that! It's not a bug, it's your personal preference in combination with your personal environment (display hardware, preferred set of fonts, language/script usage). That's something we cannot detect and therefor cannot provide default configurations for. Also, there would be an indefinite number of configuration possibilities, so that task is just not feasible. Instead, please learn more about how rendering, font hinting/instructing and your display hardware interact together and how to configure fontconfig and put your personal preferences for fontconfig in your ~/fonts.conf file. We try to provide a sensible set of default settings for fontconfig in Ubuntu, that work for most users and language environments. If you don't like those, please adjust them in your home directory and personal settings. Also, if you are the sysadmin of your machine, feel free to play around with the files in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ and /etc/fonts/conf.avail/. The bug here was that the embedded bitmaps of Tahoma got used by default, where it's not desired. This bug has been fixed by providing the configuration file. So, please leave the bug closed. Thank you. ** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Fix Released ** Changed in: fontconfig (Ubuntu) Status: New = Invalid -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Arne. Your comment is appreciated, but it still doesn't change the fact that the correct rendering behavior from Jaunty other prior releases has been lost in Karmic. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Eric Starks Appleman wrote: I think the problem goes beyond wine1.2 I'm noticing the crappy fonts on a fresh Karmic install even after the restricted Microsoft and Liberation fonts were installed. It wasn't like this in Jaunty. The 20-tahoma.conf file is the only thing that fixes it. Please note that the 20-tahoma.conf file is the true fix for this, not a workaround. The package lacks a fontconfig configuration for this font, this file provides it and needs to be included in the package. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
When 20-tahoma.conf is installed the font looks much better for me. Though the question is if wine1.2 should force the installtion of tahoma-replacement as a system font. ** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Confirmed -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I think the problem goes beyond wine1.2 I'm noticing the crappy fonts on a fresh Karmic install even after the restricted Microsoft and Liberation fonts were installed. It wasn't like this in Jaunty. The 20-tahoma.conf file is the only thing that fixes it. ** Also affects: fontconfig (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Arne, thanks for the workaround, it improves the appearance of the Tahoma substitute on my system. Eric, ensure that you right-click on the attachment and choose Save link as; if you open the attachment in Firefox and save, it will mangle the xml data with html headers, and therefore will not work correctly. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Well, my LCD screen is having problems with its backlight so I can't see the fine details, but perhaps the Tahoma replacement is not as professional as Deja Vu Sans (with anti-aliasing/hinting working in both). Anyway, should the ttf-tahoma-replacement package be assigned to this bug? -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
ttf-tahoma-replacement is provided by Wine1.2 -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Conn, I followed the directions properly the first time. I also stand by my claim that the snippet produces a rendering that is not equivalent to the rendering in Firefox prior to this bug. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
The rendering is not acceptable since the workaround doesn't address the problem. By disabling Tahoma, you're forcing other fonts to be used and thus creating a rendering that does not represent what it originally was before this bug. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
@Eric Appleman: To which post are you referring? Can you please test if the attached fontconfig configuration snippet fixes the rendering for you? Thanks. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I was referring to your snippet. It doesn't fix the issue. It sidesteps it. Facebook and other sites look a lot worse with that snippet. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Eric Appleman wrote: I was referring to your snippet. It doesn't fix the issue. It sidesteps it. Facebook and other sites look a lot worse with that snippet. Can you please attach a screenshot? The snippet does not disable the Tahoma font. It disabled the embedded bitmaps within that font, so that the pure outlines are used and anti-aliased/hinted according to your system setup. Please open the file in a text editor and have a look for yourself. Please also check in other applications, e.g. gedit, OpenOffice Writer, etc. that Tahoma is rendered properly. If it is acceptable in other applications, but not in firefox, that it's either a configuration issue on your side or a bug in FF. If it renders unacceptable in other applications as well, it would also be a font configuration issue on your machine. I may follow up with you on that one then. In this case, please also attach a screenshot of the application you tested with. Cheers Arne -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
The problem are the embedded bitmap glyphs, which get selected for small font sizes. Please try if the attached fontconfig snippet fixes the problem: $ sudo cp 20-tahoma.conf /etc/fonts/conf.avail/ $ sudo ln -s /etc/fonts/conf.avail/20-tahoma.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d/ Then test if the output in firefox and the rendering in wine is acceptable. ** Attachment added: 20-tahoma.conf http://launchpadlibrarian.net/31249263/20-tahoma.conf ** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Incomplete -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Even after purging the packages and font files manually and doing countless sudo fc-cache -f -v, I still can't get proper font rendering. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Yes, the font can be confined to Wine if needed. Not supporting anti- aliasing or hinting sounds like a bug with the way it's built, however -- at the moment the Wine package makes it using fontforge. Do we have a crippled fontforge? -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Scott Ritchie (scottritchie) -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
** Changed in: wine1.2 (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
I'm confirming the issue as well. The Tahoma replacement shouldn't be register as a system font - it should be isolated for use by Wine only. As you can see from the example screenshots posted, the Tahoma replacement TTF doesn't support anti-aliasing or hinting properly, and makes font rendering inconsistent, particularly on websites. Would it be possible to embed the .ttf as a resource within Wine itself (either in the executable, or preloaded into the default ~/.wine configuration)? -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Confirm this bug. wine1.2 fonts makes same sites look ugly. See attached screenshots. ** Attachment added: Firefox with wine fonts http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30865912/firefox_with_wine_fonts.png -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
** Attachment added: Fonts in Firefox without it restart (just purge wine) http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30866014/purge_wine_firefox_without_restart.png -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
** Attachment added: Purge wine, and restart firefox http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30866048/purge_wine_restart_firefox.png -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 412195] Re: ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly
Tahoma font issue related for all browsers (FX, Opera, Chromium) and OpenOffice (seems and other application also). For example, each page which has font-family: tahoma; property (in browser case) will has this issue. -- ttf-tahoma-replacement makes some web-sites look ugly https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/412195 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
