[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks for the FFe.
I'll take care of uploading it shortly, if somebody have modification to 
include.

** Changed in: ubuntu
 Assignee: David Sugar (dyfet) = Julien Lavergne (gilir)

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-13 Thread Andrew Starr-Bochicchio
Un-subscribing universe-sponsors as Julien is on it, and he no longer
needs a sponsor. =)

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
version 0.4 uploaded, waiting in NEW.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
Through New as well and in the archive.

** Changed in: ubuntu
   Status: In Progress = Fix Released

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-12 Thread StefanPotyra
Hi,

sorry for not having made it clear yet. As I asked ogra and he gave a +1
I certainly do second this position. FFe granted hence, please go ahead.

Cheers, and sorry again for the delay,
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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-11 Thread David Sugar
** Changed in: ubuntu
   Status: New = In Progress

** Changed in: ubuntu
 Assignee: (unassigned) = David Sugar (dyfet)

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-08 Thread Julien Lavergne
Just to have a clarification, is the open-team a blocker for MOTU-Release ACK ? 
Even if it could generate some problems in Lubuntu team itself, a MOTU 
sponsorship is still needed to modify the seed package in the archive.
This open-team issue is still under discussion in the Lubuntu team.

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Re: [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
I don't see it as a blocker.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-05 Thread Oliver Grawert
i'm definately for adding the metapackage to universe (even though
requesting it early enough pre FF would have been  a lot nicer) but i
fully agree with scotts suggestion here, having an open and completely
uncontrolled team anyone can subscribe to in control of the seeds seems
very dangerous (anyone of that team can just add or remove apps from
your seeds), it is like crying for problems or bzr commit wars where
packages are added/removed back and forth out of disagreement ...

my suggestion would be to create a lubunbtu-developers team with a kind of 
developer council or other form of governance and keep the lubuntu team open as 
it is atm. then people wanting to join lubuntu-developers would have to go 
through a staging process through the open lubuntu team, prove they are 
trustable for some time and be added to lubuntu-developers by an 
admin/council/dictator (or whatever form you pick for governance) 
lubuntu-developers in the end should own all code centric branches then

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging]lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-05 Thread hagisbasheruk
Mario wrote 
 I suggest to meet on IRC freenode #lubuntu
 on Sep. 6, 15.00 GMT

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=5month=9year=2009hour=15min=0sec=0p1=0
Mario you wrote to meet on IRC freenode #lubuntu on Sep. 6, 15.00 GMT
But the link you gave is for today the 5th of Sept @ 15.00 UTC.
Great Britain/United Kingdom is one hour ahead of UTC during summer.
Which gives us a meeting time of 14.00 local time here in the UK
Could you please clarify which day the meeting is on Mario , today or
tomorrow ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging]lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-05 Thread Mario Behling
 Mario you wrote to meet on IRC freenode #lubuntu on Sep. 6, 15.00 GMT
 But the link you gave is for today the 5th of Sept @ 15.00 UTC.
 Great Britain/United Kingdom is one hour ahead of UTC during summer.
 Which gives us a meeting time of 14.00 local time here in the UK
 Could you please clarify which day the meeting is on Mario , today or
 tomorrow ?

sorry, yes the meeting is on 6th - tomorrow. We should let people know
about the meeting, including the Taiwan folks in advance. So, I think
it is best tomorrow. The link should be correct on the wiki:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC_Meeting_September_6%2C_2009

For people participating, please also go through the logs of older
meet ups in order to avoid double discussions:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC_Meeting

- Mario

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-05 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:23 AM, David Sugar wrote:
 Second, I suggest given that UDS for Karmic +1 is likely going to be
 in two months, that we draft a new spec for that UDS for/from and most
 especially WITH the Lubuntu team and community.  Indeed, it is the
 approach of UDS is one reason I think it would be good to establish some
 things like governance now rather than to do so later.

Given how late in the game we are, what if we focused on helping
Andrew polish his LXDE packages with nicer default settings than it
currently has, possibly with an Ubuntu theme from the background
image, GTK2 theme and OpenBox theme for Karmic?

Then we could meet at the upcoming UDS to properly plan this and enjoy
the whole Karmic+1 cycle to produce a superb Lubuntu release for the
next Ubuntu LTS.

Personally, I feel that this is necessary, especially from the
perspective that FF is already in place and we suddenly get a dozen of
ideas as to what would constitute a good default selection of
applications and a good Lbuntu theme.

How does that sound?

Martin-Éric

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-05 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:49 AM, hagisbasheruk wrote:
 I suggest that you try to minimize any use of gnome libs as possible, use 
 slim instead of gdm, use Wicd for network as lxnw is too limited right now, 
 aumix-gtk for mixer and a program to add menu entries.

1) slim has not been packaged. Additionally, we have to entertain the
possibility that someone might have both GNOME and LXDE installed, in
which case they need the latest GDM.

2) wicd has been packaged, but is not in-line with Ubuntu's approach
of relying upon Network-Manager for everything, hence why we need
nm-applet.

3) aumix-gtk could be usable, but would need a major load of package
dependency backflips to work around the fact that Ubuntu has become a
PulseAudio-enabled distribution, because a PA-enabled distribution
avoids touching ALSA directly.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
Just as a general suggestion, the needs packaging bug probably isn't the 
best venue for these meta Lubuntu discussions.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
** Changed in: pam (Debian)
   Status: New = Invalid

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread David Sugar
This really did not get handled correctly at the start of the week as we
were requested to have this in a hurry and then learned after it could
not be sponsored prior to the ffe process.  I have put it in revu to
correct any outstanding issue so that it can at least be properly
evaluated.

http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lubuntu-meta

The basis of the ffe itself is simply that it is an approved karmic spec
and effects no other packages.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread StefanPotyra
Hi,

just subscribed ogra and StevenK. ogra: you've registered the spec in
the first place, how do you feel about adding that meta package at this
point in the release cycle? I assume this mainly impacts MID?


@StevenK: If this mainly impacts MID, then I guess it's your domain ;).

Cheers,
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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
In principle adding a metapackage is not a big deal.  Do you expect ISO
images for lubuntu to be built on Launchpad?  Do you have a governance
process for deciding what should be in the package?

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread David Sugar
Scott, it was not anticipated there would be spins hosted on Launchpad
for Lubuntu for Karmic, just the meta package.  What happens Karmic +X
though may become a different question.

There is a launchpad team for Lubuntu, and there is a process for
community input through the wiki, but not a formal governance process as
yet, at least in terms of how this is done in other parts of Ubuntu, and
I think it is necessary to do given that there is a clearly expressed
desire in the community to try to have an official Lubuntu distro at
some point in the future.

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Re: [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
OK.  My concern is that there be some agreement on what goes in this 
metapackage before it gets approved to go in, so we don't have a lot of 
contention afterwards (I'm not saying adjustments won't be needed).

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
Additionally, the seeds are currently controlled by an open team with
118 members.  I do not see this as a recipe for success.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread Dallas Wiebelhaus
Scott , We are all grown folks and we also understand that David Sugar is
more or less the boss here , There will be no foul play.

Now let's be positive and congratulate everyone on a job well done and wish
everyone a Fantastic week end of whatever tickles your fancy!

Cheers folks! It's POETS.


On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Scott Kitterman
ubu...@kitterman.comwrote:

 Additionally, the seeds are currently controlled by an open team with
 118 members.  I do not see this as a recipe for success.

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 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktopand
  this should get uploaded to revu later today.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread David Sugar
Lol!  While I appreciate the vote of confidence, the goal was NEVER to
have a dictatorship, benevolent or otherwise!

I think what Scott says about some form of formalizing governance is
actually very correct.  However, the meta package (any meta-package
instance) has a snapshot instance of the seed; it does not pull or re-
germinate it when it builds.  Hence, as long as it is safe at the time
of submission, a given update of the package will be safe, well, at
least for the current one.  Also, we could setup a separate release
subteam that is not open commit, and have it moved to there.  I think we
should hold a quick IRC meeting in any case to ratify some basic
governance...

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread Rebentisch
2009/9/4 David Sugar david.su...@canonical.com

 There is a launchpad team for Lubuntu, and there is a process for
 community input through the wiki, but not a formal governance process as
 yet,


What precisely is required, and how could the LXDE Foundation provide
assistance?

-- A

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread Steve Langasek
gah - sorry, wrong bug...

** Bug watch added: Debian Bug tracker #545086
   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545086

** Also affects: pam (Debian) via
   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545086
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

** Changed in: pam (Debian)
   Importance: Unknown = Undecided

** Changed in: pam (Debian)
   Status: Unknown = New

** Changed in: pam (Debian)
 Remote watch: Debian Bug tracker #545086 = None

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
Sounds to me like you are moving in the right direction.  +1.

I'll volunteer to do the archive admin review after it's uploaded.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread hagisbasheruk
i have been running LXDE from a cli install on my Tatung / RM – RTABB12D using 
both a genkernel and a custom built onefor quite some time now.
I suggest that you try to minimize any use of gnome libs as possible, use slim 
instead of gdm, use Wicd for network as lxnw is too limited right now,aumix-gtk 
for mixer and a program to add menu entries. I am currently testing ubuntuone 
(we could bug them for a non gnome lib version, i am sure the xfce guys would 
like that too) on my setup and can assure you its working very well with pcman 
and lxpanel within Jaunty,be sure to set applet icon to always show in prefs 
menu.Sorry if i am too late with my recommendations but i only found out about 
Lubuntu today and downloaded the iso that was posted instead of what i had 
planned to do, a re-master of my own setup,unfortunately the kernel never 
booted for me.Anyway i would love to help with testing and am free most nights 
after 6pm GMT catch me on #ubuntu-uk if you require me

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread Mario Behling
Thank you for the input about the ISO that was tested. As stated the
ISO is not a final release. Some of the changes you suggested have
already been incorporated. Others will be as we go on. We will soon be
uploading a new test iso.

All the best,

Mario


On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:49 AM, hagisbasherukhag...@kuki.me wrote:
 i have been running LXDE from a cli install on my Tatung / RM – RTABB12D 
 using both a genkernel and a custom built onefor quite some time now.
 I suggest that you try to minimize any use of gnome libs as possible, use 
 slim instead of gdm, use Wicd for network as lxnw is too limited right 
 now,aumix-gtk for mixer and a program to add menu entries. I am currently 
 testing ubuntuone (we could bug them for a non gnome lib version, i am sure 
 the xfce guys would like that too) on my setup and can assure you its working 
 very well with pcman and lxpanel within Jaunty,be sure to set applet icon to 
 always show in prefs menu.Sorry if i am too late with my recommendations but 
 i only found out about Lubuntu today and downloaded the iso that was posted 
 instead of what i had planned to do, a re-master of my own 
 setup,unfortunately the kernel never booted for me.Anyway i would love to 
 help with testing and am free most nights after 6pm GMT catch me on 
 #ubuntu-uk if you require me

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 Status in Ubuntu: New
 Status in “pam” package in Debian: New

 Bug description:
 I have a preliminary seed and meta for this related to Karmic blueprint 
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop
  and this should get uploaded to revu later today.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread Mario Behling
Hi,

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:13 PM, David Sugardavid.su...@canonical.com wrote:
 Lol!  While I appreciate the vote of confidence, the goal was NEVER to
 have a dictatorship, benevolent or otherwise!

Thanks for making this clear. The goal for lubuntu was from the start
to build a strong and broad community, that can take care of tasks.
For example Debian packages that have been made available during
recent months by Andrew Lee and others were also planned and released
to lay the groundwork for lubuntu.

 I think what Scott says about some form of formalizing governance is
 actually very correct.

How should a formalizing governance look like? Is it necessary at this
stage?

 However, the meta package (any meta-package
 instance) has a snapshot instance of the seed; it does not pull or re-
 germinate it when it builds.  Hence, as long as it is safe at the time
 of submission, a given update of the package will be safe, well, at
 least for the current one.  Also, we could setup a separate release
 subteam that is not open commit, and have it moved to there.  I think we
 should hold a quick IRC meeting in any case to ratify some basic
 governance...

I suggest to meet on IRC freenode #lubuntu
on Sep. 6, 15.00 GMT
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=5month=9year=2009hour=15min=0sec=0p1=0

Please help to set up an agenda:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC_Meeting_September_6, 2009

Please also have a look at existing IRC meet ups to understand
decisions that have been made for reasons stated in previous meet up
logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC_Meetings

- Mario

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-04 Thread David Sugar
 Thanks for making this clear. The goal for lubuntu was from the start to 
 build a strong and broad
 community, that can take care of tasks.  For example Debian packages that 
 have been made
 available during recent months by Andrew Lee and others were also planned and 
 released
 to lay the groundwork for lubuntu.
 How should a formalizing governance look like? Is it necessary at this stage?

With respect to governance, Scott notes we do have a LOT of new faces in
this team, indeed more than I realized.  Yet, and he correctly points
out, we do not have a real procedure for resolving questions or disputes
like what should be in the seed other than discussing (or shouting ;)
on the list.  I also note there is a desire to have Lubuntu eventually
become an Ubuntu disto in the sense of things like Xubuntu and Kubuntu.
These goals suggest there should be some governance, and it should
resemble where it exists what other teams do.

I really have only a few suggestions.

First, there should be a separate release team or if you will something
like a Lubuntu Council that does manage the seed and meta branches and
hence can resolve what should be in it or any other issues should
disputes actually arise.  I suggest myself, you, Martin Eric, Maybe
Oliver, and Rebentisch initially, at least provisionally to get through
the remainder of the Karmic cycle, and this also gives the project as a
whole some stability going into UDS as well as a little time for the
rest of the community to decide what we really wish to use for
governance going forward and whether this was correct to do or not :).

Second, I suggest given that UDS for Karmic +1 is likely going to be
in two months, that we draft a new spec for that UDS for/from and most
especially WITH the Lubuntu team and community.  Indeed, it is the
approach of UDS is one reason I think it would be good to establish some
things like governance now rather than to do so later.

Third, I suggest for now a monthly irc schedule we could put up on
Fridge.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-03 Thread Julien Lavergne
Just to put some wording for the FFe request for MOTU Release :  
This a new meta-package to build a new flavor for Ubuntu, base on LXDE. Please 
consider the FFe as it blocks the work on official ISO and standard 
installation, and also progress on this new flavor.
You can see more information about this seed on 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop


** Changed in: ubuntu
   Status: In Progress = New

** Changed in: ubuntu
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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-03 Thread ashgtx
Why do we need both Mirage and GPicView at the same time? GPicView has a
much better user interface. Why not stick to that?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-01 Thread actionparsnip
I suggest putting the LXDE icon in the centre of the circle much like
Xubuntu puts the XFCE mouse in te logo.


2009/9/1 Martin-Éric Racine q-f...@iki.fi

 The blue theme doesn't differentiate enough from KDE.  We need to use
 other colors.   How about these? (attachment)

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-09-01 Thread David Sugar
This had to be in this morning, so I only had time to incorporate
Martin-Éric Racine's changes to the meta and seed.  The tarball has the
source, dsc, and changes files needed to build.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-31 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Julien
Lavergnejulien.laver...@gmail.com wrote:
 @Martin-Éric
 An exception is only necessary for the first inclusion of the package. 
 Adjusting dependencies (default applications) can be made without exceptions 
 (unless most of applications changed).

Ah, that's good to hear.

 IMO, another lubuntu package is not necessary, because there is already
 lxde meta-packages which pull LXDE components (see lxde-common source
 package). If we are not happy with this, we could modify it to include
 packages we want, instead of splitting the seed.

Actually, we at least need a separate theme package. Personally, I
don't care for most of the default applications currently included, so
 I'd rather install some meta-package that pulls a theme and sets it
as the default, in addition to pulling core LXDE packages.

Is there any way I could branch the seed and propose changes to that
via a branch, before the team agrees on what the meta-package will be
and makes a first upload?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-31 Thread Mario Behling
Dear all,

lynxis has put together a lubuntu-iso to test:

http://lynxis.crew.c-base.org

All the best,

Mario


2009/8/31 Martin-Éric Racine q-f...@iki.fi:
 On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Julien
 Lavergnejulien.laver...@gmail.com wrote:
 @Martin-Éric
 An exception is only necessary for the first inclusion of the package. 
 Adjusting dependencies (default applications) can be made without exceptions 
 (unless most of applications changed).

 Ah, that's good to hear.

 IMO, another lubuntu package is not necessary, because there is already
 lxde meta-packages which pull LXDE components (see lxde-common source
 package). If we are not happy with this, we could modify it to include
 packages we want, instead of splitting the seed.

 Actually, we at least need a separate theme package. Personally, I
 don't care for most of the default applications currently included, so
  I'd rather install some meta-package that pulls a theme and sets it
 as the default, in addition to pulling core LXDE packages.

 Is there any way I could branch the seed and propose changes to that
 via a branch, before the team agrees on what the meta-package will be
 and makes a first upload?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-31 Thread Mario Behling
Dear all,

enclosed a few desktop backgrounds and images I collected from the
lubuntu designer forum at the lxde website.

Please include.

Best,

Mario


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-31 Thread Glen Bizeau
I like them, especially logo 2

Glen

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Mario Behlingm...@mariobehling.de wrote:
 Dear all,

 enclosed a few desktop backgrounds and images I collected from the
 lubuntu designer forum at the lxde website.

 Please include.

 Best,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-31 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Mario Behlingm...@mariobehling.de wrote:
 Dear all,

 enclosed a few desktop backgrounds and images I collected from the
 lubuntu designer forum at the lxde website.

 Please include.

I personally like the all-blue background with the bubbly logo best.
I'd however omit the LXDE logo from the Ubuntu circle, since it looks
like some creepy insect. Instead, I'd focus on this nearly translucent
bubbly Ubuntu circle and adopt that as our logo, for the boot splash,
desktop background and Start menu icon.

FWIW, here, I've been using an orange and grey theme on my desktop. If
you look at the default themes that come with OpenBox, there's one
with orangeish window title bars that look very Ubuntu-Human friendly.
Combining this with some greyscale version of the bubbly Ubuntu
circle, we'd have ourselves some really cool Lubuntu style: Ubuntu
orange with LXDE grey and blue. We could use those 3 colors as our
primaries for our version of the Ubuntu circle logo and as our colors
for the default desktop theme, in combination with the Ubuntu Human
icon theme.

How does that sound?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-31 Thread Mario Behling
Hi,

I like those designs, but I am not decided which way I like most. I
think we can also gather more design suggestions and it is always
easier to see, than to hear how something looks like.

Fedora created an adapted them for the LXDE spin. Openbox is just one
part, we also need to create athe theme in LXAppearance. There is no
general config file - it is actual designed this way currently, as
there is no other lightweight solution yet.

Generally would be good to get closer to the LXDE blue. Lets also try
to find something that looks light. UbuntuHuman looks somewhat heavy I
feel.

The forum for lubuntu designs is open here:
http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=13t=437

Best,

- Mario


2009/8/31 Martin-Éric Racine q-f...@iki.fi:
 On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Mario Behlingm...@mariobehling.de wrote:
 Dear all,

 enclosed a few desktop backgrounds and images I collected from the
 lubuntu designer forum at the lxde website.

 Please include.

 I personally like the all-blue background with the bubbly logo best.
 I'd however omit the LXDE logo from the Ubuntu circle, since it looks
 like some creepy insect. Instead, I'd focus on this nearly translucent
 bubbly Ubuntu circle and adopt that as our logo, for the boot splash,
 desktop background and Start menu icon.

 FWIW, here, I've been using an orange and grey theme on my desktop. If
 you look at the default themes that come with OpenBox, there's one
 with orangeish window title bars that look very Ubuntu-Human friendly.
 Combining this with some greyscale version of the bubbly Ubuntu
 circle, we'd have ourselves some really cool Lubuntu style: Ubuntu
 orange with LXDE grey and blue. We could use those 3 colors as our
 primaries for our version of the Ubuntu circle logo and as our colors
 for the default desktop theme, in combination with the Ubuntu Human
 icon theme.

 How does that sound?

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-31 Thread Julien Lavergne
@Martin-Éric
You can found some details about bzr here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr . 
Basically, you just need to branch the lubuntu-meta branch 
(https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-meta), make 
your modifications, push your branch somewhere, and propose to merge your 
branch into the main lubuntu-meta branch.

@Mario
It's very nice :) A possible icon theme to go with this blue theme could be the 
Gnome-brave icon theme for GNOME-Colors icon theme. But it's easier to judge 
with some examples of real desktop with different themes.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-31 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
The blue theme doesn't differentiate enough from KDE.  We need to use
other colors.   How about these? (attachment)

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-30 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
Lintian also reports the following:

Now running lintian...
W: lubuntu-meta source: package-uses-deprecated-debhelper-compat-version 4
W: lubuntu-meta source: diff-contains-bzr-control-dir .bzr
W: lubuntu-desktop: old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file
W: lubuntu-desktop: unknown-section metapackages
E: lubuntu-desktop: depends-on-metapackage depends: xorg

Fixing these requires:
1) 
   a) echo 5  debian/compat
   b) bump the debhelper version to 5 in debian/control
2) in debian/rules: also delete .bzr in the clean rule and right after the make 
invocation.
3) Remove the address section completely; instead add a reference to the 
inclusion of the GPL text in the distro:
Copyright:
   (C) 2009, Canonical Ltd.

License:
   This package is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
   it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
   the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or 
   (at your option) any later version.

   This package is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
   but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
   MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the 
   GNU General Public License for more details.

On Ubuntu systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public License 
can be found in /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL.
4) Is that an Ubuntu-specific section?
5) Requires adding a Lintian override.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-30 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
Here's a patch with the resulting changes.

** Attachment added: lubuntu-meta_02_to_03.diff
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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-30 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
Looking at what the resulting lubuntu-desktop package tries to pull:

1) sysinfo -- As this pulls the whole MONO framework along, I contend
that the inclusion of this is contrary to the goal of keeping Lubuntu
lightweight, so I'd recommend its removal.

2) gstreamer0.10-alsa -- We already depend on alsa-base, alsa-utils,
gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio so depending upon this is unnecessary.

3) language-pack-en -- Why not let the use choose their language packs
using existing tools?

4) bluez-gnome -- this is actually replaced by gnome-bluetooth starting
with Karmic. Outdated seed?

5) mirage -- Why not use gthumb instead? Similar features, plus camera
import via libgphoto2.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-30 Thread Dallas Wiebelhaus
I agree with Martin-Éric Racine and thanks for the patch as well ,
Cheers.

2009/8/30 Martin-Éric Racine q-f...@iki.fi

 Looking at what the resulting lubuntu-desktop package tries to pull:

 1) sysinfo -- As this pulls the whole MONO framework along, I contend
 that the inclusion of this is contrary to the goal of keeping Lubuntu
 lightweight, so I'd recommend its removal.

 2) gstreamer0.10-alsa -- We already depend on alsa-base, alsa-utils,
 gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio so depending upon this is unnecessary.

 3) language-pack-en -- Why not let the use choose their language packs
 using existing tools?

 4) bluez-gnome -- this is actually replaced by gnome-bluetooth starting
 with Karmic. Outdated seed?

 5) mirage -- Why not use gthumb instead? Similar features, plus camera
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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-30 Thread Julien Lavergne
@Martin-Eric
you should publish a bzr branch and propose to merge with the current one for 
all the fixes you done. It should be easier than a patch.
Also, the choice of defaults applications should be discuss separately, the 
more important for now is to add the package itself to the repository. It's 
easier to made adjustments after.

Just a remember, we are in Feature Freeze, so it needs a Freeze
Exception (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess)

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-30 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
Julien, I know that we are in Feature Freeze. Since this package hasn't
yet entered KArmic, we must therefore do it right the first time,
because there won't be many exceptions to get it in.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-30 Thread David Sugar
I had wanted to get feedback sooner and hence see this done earlier.
Most if not all of these changes noted are certainly valid.   Where we
touch upon what the default apps should be, my only concern is that we
do not have a lot of revs.  If we are going to split the seed to produce
variants of default apps, we should do so now.  If not, I think we
should accept that it will be resolved as a post-Karmic issue and simply
come together to make the best choices we can for this first release.

Julien Lavergne wrote:
 @Martin-Eric
 you should publish a bzr branch and propose to merge with the current one for 
 all the fixes you done. It should be easier than a patch.
 Also, the choice of defaults applications should be discuss separately, the 
 more important for now is to add the package itself to the repository. It's 
 easier to made adjustments after.
 
 Just a remember, we are in Feature Freeze, so it needs a Freeze
 Exception (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess)


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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-30 Thread Julien Lavergne
@Martin-Éric
An exception is only necessary for the first inclusion of the package. 
Adjusting dependencies (default applications) can be made without exceptions 
(unless most of applications changed). The main point, like David said, is the 
split or not of the seed because it will probably need another exception if the 
package is uploaded before.

IMO, another lubuntu package is not necessary, because there is already
lxde meta-packages which pull LXDE components (see lxde-common source
package). If we are not happy with this, we could modify it to include
packages we want, instead of splitting the seed.

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-29 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
Under which package name can we see those packages?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-29 Thread Mario Behling
Hi,

lubuntu and lubuntu karmic seeds are here:
https://code.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop

Best,

Mario


2009/8/29 Martin-Éric Racine q-f...@iki.fi:
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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

2009-08-29 Thread Martin-Éric Racine
Two bugs in the debian/rules file:

1) Typo:
make: *** build-stamp-kohteen tarvitseman kohteen lubutu-i386 tuottamiseen 
ei ole sääntöä. Seis.
dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2

The build-stamp should be called lubuntu, not lubutu (missing N).

2) Misses the 'make' invocation, right after dh_clean:

build-stamp: lubuntu-$(DEB_BUILD_ARCH)
dh_clean
$(MAKE)
for seed in lubuntu; do \

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[Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta

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