[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
This might have been fixed recently. According to this post: https://askubuntu.com/a/1384000/6878 It seems that this problem does not occur anymore in Ubuntu 20.04. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 Title: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/424643/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
This bug seems old, but I face the same issue today in Xubuntu 12.04.3, i386. It shouldn't affect anything(?), but just in case... I used the alt- installer and used expert mode. I didn't change the installation of packages the slightest. Just the base system and xubuntu-desktop. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 Title: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/424643/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
I found a useful workaround for this bug, at least for my purposes (adding and installing desktops cleanly). You can start out (on a clean build) by marking everything as automatically installed, then mark your choice of manual packages afterward, checking that everything you want is retained as expected. In my case it looked like this. To mark all current 'manually installed' packages as automatic (don't leave your packages this way, else the next apt-get autoremove will wipe your system) run the following command... aptitude --display-format '%p' search '~i!~M' | xargs -n100 sudo apt- mark auto ...and after a few iterations of... sudo apt-get --simulate autoremove ...I verified I could use the following command to retain everything in my Ubuntu Precise system which was installed at the time. The command simply lists a few packages and metapackages to be set as manually installed, causing everything else which they depend upon to be retained. sudo apt-mark manual ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-standard ubuntu-minimal language-pack-en-base language-pack-gnome-en language-pack-gnome-en-base libreoffice-help-en-gb thunderbird-locale-en-gb thunderbird-locale-en-us libreoffice-gnome libidl0 liborbit2 linux-headers-generic-pae hyphen-en- us installation-report linux-generic-pae mythes-en-au openoffice.org- hyphenation libreoffice-l10n-en-za linux-firmware-nonfree ubuntu- restricted-extras arduino geany gparted chromium-browser google-earth- stable google-chrome-stable synaptic This includes some elective packages which I had installed beyond the ubuntu-desktop, (all the ones after libreoffice-l10n-en-za) and it may be that there's a better 'dependency tree' than this, especially given how many localisation packages seem to be explicitly set, but it's good enough for me. I now recognise everything in the manually installed status list in Synaptic, and can work from here to the system I explicitly want. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 Title: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/424643/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
still present in Natty -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 Title: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
I agree on David (above). I observed this bug after upgrading from karmic to lucid. Also i observed that though Recommended Package is selected by default in my apt configuration, there exist some package by which the relative recommended packages are not installed at all. Moreover, I was surprised that some package has an obviously list of recommended packages, most of them are not installed. As instance, i found the package kdm recommends metacity, e16 and a lot of packages which are clearly different neither dependent on not used by kdm at all. So i am asking whether is it possible a lack of some recommended package determines that there are packages installed without their complete dependent package list, and so meta-packages fail? At first sight, i don't think the problem is hard to solve and it is not related to a specific program (apt, synaptic, installer), but in a mistaken metapackage list in some meta-package. i think there is one or more metapackage with an incomplete list of dependencies OR a metapackage previously used has been discarded in the new ubuntu/kubuntu version and this was not the case for many other packages which still require that root-metapackage. So, a solution could be to compute the graph of dependency and compare that with the list of package installed. in the graph of dependency should appear new packages which link the installed (manually) directly. These new packages are the metapackages that must be rebuild. With this solution, I don't think there would be problems (a part of course conflicts in the installation of packages) because it adds new package and does not remove existing dependencies. I think it might be a serious problem, especially because, during upgrading from a version to the next one, if a dependency change at metapackage level for a package suffering of this problem, there could be inchoerences in the new version for that package (e.g. it does not have all dependence installed) and the system could break. I hope to be wrong and to much pessimist, however i think it is a bug which requires to be solved asap. Anyway, as Colin Watson said, i agree on the risk of correcting badly that bug could seriously damage the system, more that what it is now with this bug. hope to be useful, p.s. thanks the ubuntu/kubuntu team. you are doing a good work! :D -- fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
Ok, after reading the various comments and doing experiments it seems obvious that this bug is caused by the install process not having the appropriate root meta-packages that will result in all the appropriate installed packages not being categorised as Manual. Basically someone at Ubuntu need to create a overall meta-package for each flavour of Ubuntu (that may/may not appear in the Installed (manual) category) that includes all the other meta-packages etc that are installed by default. When that is done I expect all we will then see in the Installed (manual) category are packages (and dependencies) that the user has installed manually - just like it is supposed to do. I have reduced the list in my 10.04 system by manually marking most packages as Automatically installed in Synaptic - with the exceptions of packages listed in post #5. Basically you must leave any installed meta-package as Manual else all the installed packages inside these meta-packages will appear in the auto-removable list when set to Automatically installed. -- fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
i have this bug too, its in Xubuntu 10.04 beta 2 i think i have an hint to solving this bug. it might be related to having other languages installed (in my case German) within the installer. if i have the time, i will try to install the same ISO with just English and see if it happens there too. -- fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
We have lived with this bug for some time, across two previous LTS releases No we not. Ubuntu 8.04 (previous LTS) doesn't has this bug. It seems that bug appear only in Jaunty (i will check it in Intrepid). Colin, please, stop leaving comments about how you don't want to know about this bug, just try to find it's cause, maybe it will not take to much time, if not, you can stop anytime. I know several people who still using Ubuntu 8.04 because of this bug. It seems that right way to install Lucid will be: install Hardy and upgrade it to Lucid. -- fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 07:37:37AM -, Vitaliy Pomazyonkov wrote: No we not. Ubuntu 8.04 (previous LTS) doesn't has this bug. It seems that bug appear only in Jaunty (i will check it in Intrepid). We have never saved the information you're asking for in the installer. Sure, it may be that it didn't matter much in the UI before Jaunty. The design was always supposed to be that we'd install tasks, and apt would remember that those tasks should stay installed. It appears that it does not remember this - but the alternatives open to the installer carry a variety of risks. In particular, installing metapackages would be a pain since not all the tasks we install during installation have a metapackage, and inconsistency carries its own risks; not to mention that it is not clear in all cases what would happen with Recommends. Colin, please, stop leaving comments about how you don't want to know about this bug, just try to find it's cause, maybe it will not take to much time, if not, you can stop anytime. You are putting words into my mouth. I did not say that I did not want to know about this bug; I merely explained that it is not critical, and gave my reasoning, in response to several comments asking for increased importance. You said that it was an easy fix, and I am asking you to back this statement up with a detailed explanation of that fix, since having such a detailed explanation would no doubt speed up resolution of this bug. Note that any fix needs to make sure to defend against accidentally declaring packages to be autoremovable when they are not. -- fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
Note that this bug is still reproduces in Lucid Alpha3. It is very critical bug for LTS because it makes all packages in system inconsistent and it can't be fixed after release. Also it seems that this bug can be easily fixed now. Please, assign this bug to developers. -- fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
It seems that this bug can be easily fixed now - if you know of an easy fix, do enlighten us, please, preferably in the form of a patch? As far as I know my comment 14 still stands, and there is no straightforward way to fix this bug right now. We have lived with this bug for some time, across two previous LTS releases (apt only gained the auto-mark changes in Ubuntu 6.10, but before that the installer used aptitude to install tasks and that had a similar feature). It is unfortunate, and it is a bug, and we will fix it if somebody comes up with a way to do so cleanly while getting the semantics correct, but it isn't critical (much less megacritical - please don't dilute the value of words by exaggerating!) and it's not worth attempting to hack a fix in when we're not certain that it has the right semantics. Leaving all packages as manually installed is unsightly but the consequences of this bug are generally limited to not managing to be clever enough to remove packages that aren't needed any more. A flaw in the reverse direction would be much worse, because it could cause packages to be removed when they are still needed. Given that there does not seem to be a clearly correct fix available, it's better to air on the side of caution. So, please stop leaving comments about how the priority of this bug should be increased; it should not. That does not mean it is not a bug, and it does not mean that it does not matter, but it does mean that the risk of a botched fix is high enough, and the problems with the current situation comparatively small enough, that it does not merit High or Critical priority. Other bugs are more important. Medium priority is appropriate here, and that's what the bug has. -- fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
That should have been it's better to err on the side of caution, of course. I appear to be short on sleep. -- fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 424643] Re: fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed
** Summary changed: - new state installed (manual) on synaptic + fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed -- fresh Ubuntu install marks all packages as manually installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/424643 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
