[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
The current eclipse no longer uses this method to determine which JVM to use, see LP #36534. ~Niels ** Changed in: eclipse (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Invalid -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
Why hasn't this patch been committed yet? I can name two possible reasons: * The patch is against an installed system rather than the build system * It is more correct to fix 36534 [1] if possible. We will try to fix 36534 [1] in 3.5.0-1 and there by closing this. If fixing 36534 turns out to give more problems, we will implement this one instead. ~Niels [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/36534 ** Changed in: eclipse (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = In Progress ** Changed in: eclipse (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Niels Thykier (niels-thykier) -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
Why hasn't this patch been committed yet? -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
If /usr/ always works for update-alternatives surely the simplest fix is to truncate /etc/jvm and /etc/eclipse/java_home to just the line /usr (or /usr/lib/jvm/default-java)? -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
Can this please be fixed in Interpid Ibex? The bug is growing a bit of a beard and such a basic thing should be taken care of very well. For beginner and intermediate programmers it is demotivating when having to double check several different configuration settings and installed packages before Eclipse is working with th e correct JVM. And even then the question is what will happen when another JVM is installed via apt- get. Will the settings be altered in an unambiguous and easily predictable way? -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
i am a newbie can you tell me how to save a patch? where to save a patch? the usr/bin/eclipse is not a folder, and even it is, its locked, i can't save anything on it! i couldn't run the command sudo patch eclipse_launcher_should_use_global_java_conf.patch it says: sudo: patch: command not found !! -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
Situation on Hardy Heron is not much better. After standard installation, one has to install: 1) eclipse 2) sun-java6 (and friends) But this lead to a configuration on your system that is polluted with gij and gic settings. One has to manually set: a) alternatives to sun-java6 b) edit eclipse configuration to use sun-java6 c) edit openoffice configuration to use sun-java6, because it cannot find JRE of sun-java6 Then, still gij, gic and friends are disrupting the party. Deinstalling with dpkg -P of gij, gic and depending friends will sort that out (check that /etc/java is gone and only /etc/java-6-sun is there). Now your system is properly configured to use sun-java6 automatically in all places. All this should be managed from one central point and the system admin should be asked which JRE to use each time a JRE is being installed or uninstalled via package manager, subsequently leading to correct configurations as is described above in the case of sun-java6. -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
Still here, any news on this? -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
I run this command: $ sudo ./update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun but had to do this manually: $ sudo vi /etc/jvm (and add the following line to the top of the list) /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun $ sudo vi /ect/eclipse/java_home (and add the following line to the top of the list) /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun Please make sure that update-java-alternatives takes care of this (and that installing eclipse after running update-java-alternatives also uses the correct values in /etc/eclipse/java_home). -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
Alternatives are system wide. Alternatives also cannot be applied to specific applications. Hence the creation of the existing java-common and eclipse methods. Given that we live in a world with multiple JVMs, some of which work better than others for different purposes, when coming up with these (hacks) I thought that this was the best idea. Perhaps OpenJDK will eventually address this. Perhaps not. On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 20:35 +, auspex wrote: I opened bug #125274 about this, and it got marked a duplicate, but I'd beg to differ (slightly). imo, neither the java-common nor eclipse methods are correct. We have an alternatives system, which should always be configured with the user's preferred VM. Alternatives should be used rather than a hard-coded list (which seems to be poorly supported anyway - I removed java-gcj-compat and it's still in /etc/jvm, and java-6-sun was never written there. Then there's a jvm I'm sure I've never installed). -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
I'm not asking for an alternative to be applied to a specific application, I'm suggesting that Eclipse should take advantage of that system-wide setting. That's quite a difference. In any case, /etc/jvm is ALSO system-wide, so where's the difference? The /etc/jvm file suggests that every VM should register itself there - but that doesn't solve the priority issue. alternatives does. If you already have JAVA_HOME set, eclipse is going to use that anyway. I don't understand this reluctance to use a tool specifically designed to solve this sort of problem. For those of us (no doubt the vast majority) using Eclipse on a single-user system, we don't want to be having to set the same values in multiple locations. For those few who have Eclipse installed onto multi-user systems, they are still in a position to recommend a specific VM via alternatives, and individual users can override JAVA_HOME as required. -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 16:41 +, auspex wrote: I'm not asking for an alternative to be applied to a specific application, I'm suggesting that Eclipse should take advantage of that system-wide setting. That's quite a difference. In any case, /etc/jvm is ALSO system-wide, so where's the difference? The /etc/jvm file suggests that every VM should register itself there - but that doesn't solve the priority issue. alternatives does. Using /usr as an entry in /etc/jvm, which is present by default, results in it using the alternatives system. ~/.jvm and ~/.jvm.d are also available for per-user/per-application settings. If you already have JAVA_HOME set, eclipse is going to use that anyway. Yes, but Debian packages cannot rely on environmental variables being set. It's in policy. Also, in my opinion, it's obnoxious. I don't understand this reluctance to use a tool specifically designed to solve this sort of problem. For those of us (no doubt the vast majority) using Eclipse on a single-user system, we don't want to be having to set the same values in multiple locations. For those few who have Eclipse installed onto multi-user systems, they are still in a position to recommend a specific VM via alternatives, and individual users can override JAVA_HOME as required. Uh huh. That's probably why the bug was marked as a duplicate of Eclipse using it's own system. I wrote the Eclipse system because of a real need (at the time, anyway) to configure Eclipse and Eclipse alone to use a different VM than the system VM. Because it did not work with gcj, but I didn't want to use Sun's VM for a bunch of other crap on the system that works fine with gcj. Then sometime later I realized that this system worked pretty well, and could be applied to any Java app, so I wrote the java-common version. Yes, Eclipse should use the java-common version. No, I haven't had time to fix it. Yes, you can submit patches to fix it, or somebody else can. As for using alternatives, if alternatives can work per-user and per-application, it sounds like a wonderful idea. But it can't. Does this clear up any confusion about why alternatives is not appropriate? I am certainly open to any arguments claiming that nobody wants to use different JVM's for different applications anymore, and that nobody wants per-user settings of this type. If you can rephrase your bug as a specific argument against that, then fine. -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
If the /usr results in alternatives being used, I'm happy with that - it wasn't obvious, because of course that was never present in /etc/eclipse/java_home. I'll remove my manually added link to sun- java-6 and try it. The second point about Debian packages not being permitted to rely on environment variables is not an issue - I don't believe policy _excludes_ them using environment variables, they just can't rely on them. My point there was that Eclipse will use JAVA_HOME as an override if that's what a user wants. Finally, somebody _did_ submit a patch (first response to this bug), and it works just fine to do what you want (and if the /usr bit works, what I want too), and you haven't used it. -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
I opened bug #125274 about this, and it got marked a duplicate, but I'd beg to differ (slightly). imo, neither the java-common nor eclipse methods are correct. We have an alternatives system, which should always be configured with the user's preferred VM. Alternatives should be used rather than a hard-coded list (which seems to be poorly supported anyway - I removed java-gcj-compat and it's still in /etc/jvm, and java-6-sun was never written there. Then there's a jvm I'm sure I've never installed). -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
** Tags added: packaging -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/45347 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
Jerry: Any chance of this getting done in time for Feisty? ** Tags added: patch -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://launchpad.net/bugs/45347 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
Thanks for this. I invented this method for Eclipse, then decided the method was pretty good, and so wrote it in java-common... but never went back and updated Eclipse to use it. I'll clear this up sometime soon. -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://launchpad.net/bugs/45347 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 45347] Re: Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts
The patch provided by R. A. Rivas Diaz should be applied because of the reasons put forward: duplication of code and maintenance for the user. ** Changed in: eclipse (Ubuntu) Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed -- Eclipse uses /etc/eclipse/java_home instead of java-common scripts https://launchpad.net/bugs/45347 -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
