[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
** Changed in: gnome-terminal Importance: Unknown = Wishlist -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
** Changed in: gnome-terminal Importance: Unknown = Wishlist -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
I'm marking this as Won't Fix in qemu as it doesn't seem like a good idea for us to automatically resize the terminal for a user. I'd suggest using a wrapper script if this is a desirable behavior for you. ** Changed in: qemu Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
I'm marking this as Won't Fix in qemu as it doesn't seem like a good idea for us to automatically resize the terminal for a user. I'd suggest using a wrapper script if this is a desirable behavior for you. ** Changed in: qemu Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
** Changed in: gnome-terminal Status: Unknown = Won't Fix -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
** Changed in: gnome-terminal Status: Unknown = Won't Fix -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
@dickey so what is your suggested fix for the usability issue? :-) -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Dominic Evans wrote: @dickey so what is your suggested fix for the usability issue? :-) It should be fixed in the qemu package, rather than gnome-terminal (by making it work with different screensizes). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Anthony Liguori wrote: You can use an ANSI sequence to resize a terminal. The following works in gnome-terminal: technically that's not ANSI (other than the form). It's one of the dtterm (Sun) sequences that I implemented for xterm. The security people don't much like it. echo -en '\033[8;25;80t' qemu -curses ... But it's somewhat impolite to resize a user's terminal automatically though. :-) -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Anthony Liguori wrote: You can use an ANSI sequence to resize a terminal. The following works in gnome-terminal: technically that's not ANSI (other than the form). It's one of the dtterm (Sun) sequences that I implemented for xterm. The security people don't much like it. echo -en '\033[8;25;80t' qemu -curses ... But it's somewhat impolite to resize a user's terminal automatically though. :-) -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
@dickey so what is your suggested fix for the usability issue? :-) -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Dominic Evans wrote: @dickey so what is your suggested fix for the usability issue? :-) It should be fixed in the qemu package, rather than gnome-terminal (by making it work with different screensizes). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
You can use an ANSI sequence to resize a terminal. The following works in gnome-terminal: echo -en '\033[8;25;80t' qemu -curses ... But it's somewhat impolite to resize a user's terminal automatically though. -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
I was going to go ahead and just change the default, but then i tried xterm and terminator and they both default to 24 rows too. Should we consider changing other terminal emulators too? Would you mind forwarding this upstream for discussion there too ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
OK, raised upstream. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611573 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #611573 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611573 ** Also affects: gnome-terminal via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611573 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
Thanks! ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
upstream seem to thing that updating the termcap (the 'workaround' in my earlier comment) is the correct fix and should be respected by both xterm and terminator i.e., /usr/share/vte/termcap/xterm xterm-xfree86|xterm-new|xterm terminal emulator (XFree86):\ :am:km:mi:ms:xn:\ - :co#80:it#8:li#24:\ + :co#80:it#8:li#25:\ so should we raise this against ubuntu/+source/vte ? -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
I've opened a vte task, marked it triaged/wishlist. Hopefully someone familiar with that package can comment as to the viability of the change. Thanks. ** Also affects: vte (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: vte (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: vte (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
The report has several problems. I'll list a few of them. vte would like to emulate xterm (it's incomplete). xterm emulates vt100, vt220, etc. Those are all 24x80. PC's have 25x80. But their emulation of vt100 is weak, with well-known differences. Terminator isn't relevant to the topic. Generally speaking, terminal emulators do not pay much attention to the termcap data. It's useful (as xterm and gnome-terminal can do) to set function keys. For sizing the terminal - the use of that via termcap is an archaic feature. The scrap of termcap in gnome-terminal's source (aside from the fact that an upstream bug notes that the feature is not working) is purely to enable gnome-terminal to find the data (for some reason its developers did not use the conventional terminfo or termcap interfaces to obtain this information). The comment about wikipedia (a) misinterprets what is there and (b) wikipedia is not a reliable source. -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to qemu-kvm in ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
I was going to go ahead and just change the default, but then i tried xterm and terminator and they both default to 24 rows too. Should we consider changing other terminal emulators too? Would you mind forwarding this upstream for discussion there too ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
OK, raised upstream. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611573 ** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #611573 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611573 ** Also affects: gnome-terminal via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611573 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
Thanks! ** Changed in: gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Triaged -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
upstream seem to thing that updating the termcap (the 'workaround' in my earlier comment) is the correct fix and should be respected by both xterm and terminator i.e., /usr/share/vte/termcap/xterm xterm-xfree86|xterm-new|xterm terminal emulator (XFree86):\ :am:km:mi:ms:xn:\ - :co#80:it#8:li#24:\ + :co#80:it#8:li#25:\ so should we raise this against ubuntu/+source/vte ? -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
I've opened a vte task, marked it triaged/wishlist. Hopefully someone familiar with that package can comment as to the viability of the change. Thanks. ** Also affects: vte (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: vte (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Wishlist ** Changed in: vte (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 464783] Re: gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility
The report has several problems. I'll list a few of them. vte would like to emulate xterm (it's incomplete). xterm emulates vt100, vt220, etc. Those are all 24x80. PC's have 25x80. But their emulation of vt100 is weak, with well-known differences. Terminator isn't relevant to the topic. Generally speaking, terminal emulators do not pay much attention to the termcap data. It's useful (as xterm and gnome-terminal can do) to set function keys. For sizing the terminal - the use of that via termcap is an archaic feature. The scrap of termcap in gnome-terminal's source (aside from the fact that an upstream bug notes that the feature is not working) is purely to enable gnome-terminal to find the data (for some reason its developers did not use the conventional terminfo or termcap interfaces to obtain this information). The comment about wikipedia (a) misinterprets what is there and (b) wikipedia is not a reliable source. -- gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/464783 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
