[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2015-03-15 Thread Stéphane Aulery
What you say is contradictory. If the driver is no longer included in
any new version of Ubuntu, there will be no conflict. No ?

I know that there may be other sources for the man pages. Other packages
that installs this page are they available in a newer version of Ubuntu?
I'm not an Ubuntu user, but Debian, I do not know how to see it. It
seemed to me that this is the case. Yes, no? And for other
distributions?

I'm asked upstream to delete the page, but I promise nothing. It's been
3 years since he added the note. One can think that now there is any
more machine that uses this driver.

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2015-03-15 Thread Forest
There is a conflict as soon as a user installs a package that includes
the driver (and man page), such as the one that I maintained in a PPA.
Pretending that the Ubuntu manpages package is the only source that
could ever exist for that driver is a bit disingenuous, don't you think?

In any case, I have no idea why anyone would want to continue
distributing an out-of-date man page for a driver that is not even
included in their distribution. To use a car analogy, it's like Honda
shipping with its cars a Toyota manual that contains incorrect
information.

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2015-03-15 Thread Stéphane Aulery
Packets nct6775-dkms and sk98lin-dkms have been removed from the
distribution. So there will be no conflict and a simple note is enough.

** Changed in: manpages (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Fix Released

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2015-03-15 Thread Forest
What I wrote was not contradictory. Please try to remember that many
Ubuntu users configure software sources in addition to the official
Ubuntu ones. (That's what PPAs are all about, after all.) Therefore, a
spurious man page installed by an Ubuntu source can and will conflict
with a proper man page installed by another source.

Since you mentioned it, there absolutely are machines that still use
that driver. I know of one less than five minutes away from where I'm
standing right now.  (Perhaps you live such an affluent life that you
can afford to replace all your computers every year or two, but not
everyone has that luxury.)

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2015-03-15 Thread Stéphane Aulery
Phew, we agree. It deserves a change of title and status and a bug for
Debian maintainer.

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2015-03-15 Thread Stéphane Aulery
Man pages are for all distributions. Red Hat 5, which will be supported
until 2020 [1], included kernel 2.6.18 [2] and the driver sk98lin [3]
without man page. Personally it does not bother me to delete this page,
but how do we do?

I think upstream should not delete the page and the Debian package /
Ubuntu should not install it.

Others ideas ?

[1] https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata#Life_Cycle_Dates
[2] https://access.redhat.com/articles/3078#RHEL5
[3]http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/27208332/dir/redhat_el_5/com/sk98lin-kmdl-2.6.18-371.12.1.el5-10.50.1.3-12.el5.i686.rpm.html

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2015-03-15 Thread Forest
 I think upstream should not delete the page and the Debian package /
Ubuntu should not install it.

That makes sense to me. Install the man page only on distributions that
include the corresponding driver.

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2012-09-27 Thread Forest
** Also affects: manpages
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2012-07-22 Thread Forest
To clarify: Merely noting in the man page that the driver was removed is
not sufficient. The man page must be removed as well, in order to avoid
conflicting with packages that install the current version of the driver
and man page.  For example, this one:

https://launchpad.net/~foresto/+archive/extradrivers/

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2012-06-24 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: manpages (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = Confirmed

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[Bug 528020] Re: sk98lin man page should be removed

2012-04-29 Thread Michael Kerrisk
Upstream man-pages-3.41 will add a sentence that the driver was removed
in 2.6.26.

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