[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
Spoke to Kenneth and he too doesnt see any benefit in doing this. Marking bug as a "wont fix" ,Thanks for the patch though ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Invalid ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => Won't Fix ** Tags added: patch-rejected ** Tags removed: lucid patch -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
Closing papercut task , since we are not really fixing anything here ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Incomplete => Invalid -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 15:08 +, Matt Perry wrote: > It improves the user experience because the wallpaper is part of the > theme. The widgets that make up the theme, combined with the wallpaper, > make the whole of the visual experience that the user sees when they > first use Ubuntu. Yes , that is why we already /do/ set the wallpaper for the system. > In my experience, one of the first things users do on > a new operating system is explore the appearance settings, second only > to changing the desktop background. Yes, but as a user changing and trying the wallpapers, where would a user look to revert the wallpaper back to default? > In the backgrounds tab . But this prompt is in a totally different tab. Why would a user expect to look for the prompt to revert wallpaper in the themes tab? How are we helping the user here? Also , the default wallpaper is always listed in the backgrounds tab , isnt it easier for the user to preview-and-set what they want to use than to blindly revert? This change would be trying to *incompletely* solve something for a very limited user scenario. Users who change from default wallpaper and doesnt like anything else and would like to revert to default and doesnt remember the default wallpaper. Which is a very limited compared to number of users it will end up annoying and obstructing. > I agree that it might be questionable if this is a papercut, but it fit > the criteria, Yes it is a simple fix , but after using the change and trying it out is what makes me think this is more of a problem than trying to solve anything. If we implement this I would expect users to file bugs saying , :"I know the default wallpaper and i dont want to use it. Why are you prompting me for something I know and have changed on purpose?" Or "How do i remove this prompt?" -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 15:08 +, Matt Perry wrote: > It improves the user experience because the wallpaper is part of the > theme. The widgets that make up the theme, combined with the wallpaper, > make the whole of the visual experience that the user sees when they > first use Ubuntu. Yes , that is why we already /do/ set the wallpaper for the system. > In my experience, one of the first things users do on > a new operating system is explore the appearance settings, second only > to changing the desktop background. Yes, but as a user changing and trying the wallpapers, where would a user look to revert the wallpaper back to default? > In the backgrounds tab . But this prompt is in a totally different tab. Why would a user expect to look for the prompt to revert wallpaper in the themes tab? How are we helping the user here? Also , the default wallpaper is always listed in the backgrounds tab, isnt it easier for the user to preview-and-set what they want to use than to blindly revert? This change would be trying to *incompletely* solve something for a very limited user scenario. Users who change from default wallpaper and doesnt like anything else and would like to revert to default and doesnt remember the default wallpaper. Which is a very limited compared to number of users it will end up annoying and obstructing. > I agree that it might be questionable if this is a papercut, but it fit > the criteria, Yes it is a simple fix , but after using the change and trying it out is what makes me think this is more of a problem than trying to solve anything. If we implement this I would expect users to file bugs saying , :"I know the default wallpaper and i dont want to use it. Why are you prompting me for something I know and have changed on purpose?" Or "How do i remove this prompt?" -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
> Do we want to always keep prompting the user to use the wallpaper. If the > prompt is to occur only once this might be a better.[ But even then why?] > How does it improve user experience? It improves the user experience because the wallpaper is part of the theme. The widgets that make up the theme, combined with the wallpaper, make the whole of the visual experience that the user sees when they first use Ubuntu. In my experience, one of the first things users do on a new operating system is explore the appearance settings, second only to changing the desktop background. I had read that Lucid will ship with as many wallpapers as can be fit on the CD [1]. If that's true then it may help to provide a way for the user to easily restore the original wallpaper if they choose to restore the original theme. Should the user choose to restore the original wallpaper, it will be more difficult for them to find it if there are more images to search through. I agree that it might be questionable if this is a papercut, but it fit the criteria, and at least we could easily track it for inclusion in Maverick if we decide to implement it. > Further the prompt reduces the theme viewing area. Agreed, but there is much that we can do there. The height of the Apply Background notice could be reduced a bit. Also, the "Get more themes online" link wastes much vertical space. That link could be replaced with a button and placed next to the four buttons above it. I can work with upstream to improve this if you think it would be of value. 1. http://davidsiegel.org/lucid-wallpaper-contest/ -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
As a papercut , I'm a skeptical of this change , we already *do* set the wallpaper by default . Nothing is going to be improved for a new install. Why the need to force it along with the theme? Even if it does not force a change , This change would mean we will end up with a prompt for *ever* , if the user wishes to change the wallpaper. Do we want to always keep prompting the user to use the wallpaper. If the prompt is to occur only once this might be a better.[ But even then why?] How does it improve user experience? Further the prompt reduces the theme viewing area. David Siegel, I'm inclined to mark it invalid. what do you think? ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New => Incomplete ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Status: New => Triaged -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
I think this might be a good idea but I think it's something we should look at for Maverick -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
Argh, right, I misunderstood exactly how it worked. -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
I'm reopening this bug and patch for consideration as it's clear that due diligence was not performed in reviewing the patch. Kenneth Wimer's comments suggest that the patch does something that it does not do. Please apply the patch then review. ** Tags added: lucid patch ** Tags removed: patch-rejected ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Status: Won't Fix => New ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: Invalid => New -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
Screenshot of the Appearance Preferences with the patch applied. The Appearance Preferences will inform the use that a background is suggested and make it easy for them to apply it if they so choose. No changes are made to the background without explicit action from the user. ** Attachment added: "Suggest Background.png" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44961667/Suggest%20Background.png -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
The patch does not make any changes, therefore the policy is not violated. The patch merely tells the Appearance Preferences to suggest a background when the theme is selected. The background is not applied unless the user takes action to apply the background. See the attached screenshot. -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
We do provide extra wallpaper by default and if the user chooses one of the other wallpapers , every time the user opens the dialogue the default theme will be shown as a custom theme , and if the user selects the light-themes , they are prompted to change the wallpaper. It turns out to be more of a hassle than an usability win. Closing papercut task as well. ** Changed in: hundredpapercuts Status: New => Invalid ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Importance: Low => Wishlist ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged => Won't Fix -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
Ubsubscribing review team as well. ** Tags added: patch-rejected ** Tags removed: lucid patch -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
It is not our policy to change something once the user has set it themselves. -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
** Tags added: patch -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
Adds background image suggestion for the Ambiance and Radiance themes. ** Patch added: "bug-549268.patch" http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42805765/bug-549268.patch -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
Interesting! Good to know , never knew the option existed :) -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
I'm setting the status to Triaged since this bug report doesn't need further processing and is ready for the developers to work on. I'm setting the importance to Low because I think that we should provide the themes as complete as possible, including the wallpapers. ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Status: New => Triaged -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
Vish, there is indeed an option to specify wallpapers. One only needs to add the single line of: BackgroundImage=/usr/share/backgrounds/ /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/index.theme and /usr/share/themes/Radiance/index.theme Since this is so simple to fix, I am also proposing as a papercut. ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => New ** Also affects: hundredpapercuts Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 549268] Re: Light-themes should suggest matching background
Thank you for taking the time to make Ubuntu better. Since what you submitted is not really a bug, or a problem, but rather an idea to improve Ubuntu, you are invited to post your idea in Ubuntu Brainstorm at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ where it can be discussed, voted by the community and reviewed by developers. Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion! It is not something which can be fixed in the theme as well. There is no option to specify wallpapers. ** Changed in: light-themes (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- Light-themes should suggest matching background https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549268 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
