Re: [Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Marcus Haslam]

I'm out of the office until 1st August.

On 5 May 2011, at 17:41, Launchpad Bug Tracker <550...@bugs.launchpad.net 
 > wrote:

> ** Branch linked: lp:~mathieu-tl/policykit-1-gnome/merge- 
> debian-0.101-2
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> Title:
>  "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense
>
> Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts:
>  Triaged
> Status in policykit-gnome:
>  New
> Status in “policykit-1-gnome” package in Ubuntu:
>  Triaged
>
> Bug description:
>  Ubuntu Lucid, all updates installed
>
>  1. Install something in Ubuntu Software Center.
>  2. Click on the key icon that appears in the panel.
>
>  What happens: The key is a menu containing one item, "Drop all
>  elevated privileges".
>
>  I don't understand this, and I therefore arrogantly assume that  
> most people won't understand it either. :-) I cannot find any  
> explanation in the Ubuntu Help or on the Web, only these people who  
> also don't understand it:
>    
> >
>  
>
>  Does it do anything useful? If so, it should be reworded to express
>  its usefulness. If not, it should be removed.

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Re: [Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Marcus Haslam]

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On 16 May 2011, at 20:33, Bug Watch Updater  
<550...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote:

> ** Changed in: policykit-gnome
>   Status: New => Fix Released
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> Title:
>  "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense
>
> Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts:
>  Fix Released
> Status in policykit-gnome:
>  Fix Released
> Status in “policykit-1-gnome” package in Ubuntu:
>  Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
>  Ubuntu Lucid, all updates installed
>
>  1. Install something in Ubuntu Software Center.
>  2. Click on the key icon that appears in the panel.
>
>  What happens: The key is a menu containing one item, "Drop all
>  elevated privileges".
>
>  I don't understand this, and I therefore arrogantly assume that  
> most people won't understand it either. :-) I cannot find any  
> explanation in the Ubuntu Help or on the Web, only these people who  
> also don't understand it:
>    
> >
>  
>
>  Does it do anything useful? If so, it should be reworded to express
>  its usefulness. If not, it should be removed.

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Re: [Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Marcus Haslam]

I'm out of the office until 1st August.

On 16 May 2011, at 14:20, Launchpad Bug Tracker <550...@bugs.launchpad.net 
 > wrote:

> This bug was fixed in the package policykit-1-gnome - 0.101-2ubuntu1
>
> ---
> policykit-1-gnome (0.101-2ubuntu1) oneiric; urgency=low
>
>  [ Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre ]
>  * Merge with Debian unstable; remaining changes (LP: #777366):
>    - 04-autorestart.patch: Add gnome session restart support to  
> ensure we
>  always have an authentication agent running. To be forwarded  
> upstream.
>    - 06-authentication-failure-string.patch: Improve error message  
> displayed
>  when authentication fails.
>    - Tell the .desktop file for the authentication agent to auto- 
> restart the
>  agent in case of failure.
>    - Use dh-autoreconf to reconfigure after applying patches,  
> especially for
>  04-autorestart.patch.
>  * debian/patches/05-appindicator.patch: dropped, partly due to  
> upstream
>    dropping status icon support. This also fixes usability bug (LP:  
> #550502).
>  * debian/patches/04-autorestart.patch: refreshed to apply cleanly.
>
>  [ Martin Pitt ]
>  * debian/rules, debian/control: Build against GTK 3.
>
> policykit-1-gnome (0.101-2) unstable; urgency=low
>
>  * Upload to unstable.
>
> policykit-1-gnome (0.101-1) experimental; urgency=low
>
>  * New upstream release.
>  * Update patches
>    - Drop debian/patches/01-fix-autostart.patch, obsolete.
>    - Drop debian/patches/03-po-pt_BR.patch, merged upstream.
>    - Refresh debian/patches/02-select-default-user.patch to apply  
> cleanly.
>  * Switch from cdbs to dh.
>  * Bump debhelper compatibility level to 8.
>  * Install documentation using debian/policykit-1-gnome.docs.
>  * Ship a copy of the old autostart file for the PolicyKit  
> authentication
>    agent. It was removed upstream in preparation for GNOME3 which  
> starts its
>    own authentication agent.
>
> policykit-1-gnome (0.99-2) unstable; urgency=low
>
>  [ Robert Ancell ]
>  * Drop 03-dialog-focus.patch. PolicyKit does not allow non-root  
> applications
>    to set details (LP: #685655)
>
>  [ Michael Biebl ]
>  * Upload to unstable.
> -- Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre    Mon, 16 May  
> 2011 15:15:29 +0200
>
> ** Changed in: policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu)
>   Status: Triaged => Fix Released
>
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> Title:
>  "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense
>
> Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts:
>  Fix Released
> Status in policykit-gnome:
>  New
> Status in “policykit-1-gnome” package in Ubuntu:
>  Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
>  Ubuntu Lucid, all updates installed
>
>  1. Install something in Ubuntu Software Center.
>  2. Click on the key icon that appears in the panel.
>
>  What happens: The key is a menu containing one item, "Drop all
>  elevated privileges".
>
>  I don't understand this, and I therefore arrogantly assume that  
> most people won't understand it either. :-) I cannot find any  
> explanation in the Ubuntu Help or on the Web, only these people who  
> also don't understand it:
>    
> >
>  
>
>  Does it do anything useful? If so, it should be reworded to express
>  its usefulness. If not, it should be removed.

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Re: [Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Marcus Haslam]

I'm out of the office until 1st August.

On 16 May 2011, at 15:12, Launchpad Bug Tracker <550...@bugs.launchpad.net 
 > wrote:

> ** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/policykit-1-gnome
>
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> Title:
>  "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense
>
> Status in One Hundred Paper Cuts:
>  Fix Released
> Status in policykit-gnome:
>  New
> Status in “policykit-1-gnome” package in Ubuntu:
>  Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
>  Ubuntu Lucid, all updates installed
>
>  1. Install something in Ubuntu Software Center.
>  2. Click on the key icon that appears in the panel.
>
>  What happens: The key is a menu containing one item, "Drop all
>  elevated privileges".
>
>  I don't understand this, and I therefore arrogantly assume that  
> most people won't understand it either. :-) I cannot find any  
> explanation in the Ubuntu Help or on the Web, only these people who  
> also don't understand it:
>    
> >
>  
>
>  Does it do anything useful? If so, it should be reworded to express
>  its usefulness. If not, it should be removed.

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

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** Changed in: policykit-gnome
   Status: New => Fix Released

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

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** Branch linked: lp:ubuntu/policykit-1-gnome

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

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** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

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This bug was fixed in the package policykit-1-gnome - 0.101-2ubuntu1

---
policykit-1-gnome (0.101-2ubuntu1) oneiric; urgency=low

  [ Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre ]
  * Merge with Debian unstable; remaining changes (LP: #777366):
- 04-autorestart.patch: Add gnome session restart support to ensure we
  always have an authentication agent running. To be forwarded upstream.
- 06-authentication-failure-string.patch: Improve error message displayed
  when authentication fails.
- Tell the .desktop file for the authentication agent to auto-restart the
  agent in case of failure.
- Use dh-autoreconf to reconfigure after applying patches, especially for
  04-autorestart.patch.
  * debian/patches/05-appindicator.patch: dropped, partly due to upstream
dropping status icon support. This also fixes usability bug (LP: #550502).
  * debian/patches/04-autorestart.patch: refreshed to apply cleanly.

  [ Martin Pitt ]
  * debian/rules, debian/control: Build against GTK 3.

policykit-1-gnome (0.101-2) unstable; urgency=low

  * Upload to unstable.

policykit-1-gnome (0.101-1) experimental; urgency=low

  * New upstream release.
  * Update patches
- Drop debian/patches/01-fix-autostart.patch, obsolete.
- Drop debian/patches/03-po-pt_BR.patch, merged upstream.
- Refresh debian/patches/02-select-default-user.patch to apply cleanly.
  * Switch from cdbs to dh.
  * Bump debhelper compatibility level to 8.
  * Install documentation using debian/policykit-1-gnome.docs.
  * Ship a copy of the old autostart file for the PolicyKit authentication
agent. It was removed upstream in preparation for GNOME3 which starts its
own authentication agent.

policykit-1-gnome (0.99-2) unstable; urgency=low

  [ Robert Ancell ]
  * Drop 03-dialog-focus.patch. PolicyKit does not allow non-root applications
to set details (LP: #685655)

  [ Michael Biebl ]
  * Upload to unstable.
 -- Mathieu Trudel-LapierreMon, 16 May 2011 15:15:29 
+0200

** Changed in: policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu)
   Status: Triaged => Fix Released

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Jeremy Bicha]

I agree that the drop privileges indicator doesn't fit in well. Is it an
annoyance to not have PolicyKit ever remember authentication after the
window is closed?

>From a design/security perspective, I'd like to note that sudo stays
authenticated for a certain period as long as that terminal tab is open.

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

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** Branch linked: lp:~mathieu-tl/policykit-1-gnome/merge-debian-0.101-2

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

Excellent summary, thank you Miguel.

I think Ubuntu without the menu -- or any other way to discard those
privileges -- would be better than Ubuntu with the menu. Gnome 3 drops
it anyway, so in that respect this bug is fixed.

Better still would be to have an understandable way of controlling
whether the password is remembered. One way of controlling it, ahead of
time, would be to have a checkbox in the PolicyKit dialog itself.

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

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** Changed in: policykit-gnome
   Importance: Unknown => Medium

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Miguel Gaspar]

It would be useful if, for instance:
Your child is playing, and an update manager window appears; you don't want him 
to install updates, so you need to provide your password for that kind of 
operations. But then, you don't want to be prompted for the password every time 
when you are doing several administrative tasks, so the system remembers for 
some time that you 'got hold' of super-user previleges. It will expire after a 
few minutes, I guess. That is indicated by the presence of the key icon in the 
status bar.
Now, when you are done with some administrative tasks, and your child resumes 
playing Tux, you'll want to discard those privileges, so he won't do anything 
wrong by acident. That's what the 'drop elevated privileges' means.

It probably should have a 'What is this?' option in that menu... and
perhaps 'Administrative previleges' would be more familiar to window
users...

One problem is: it appears when one authenticates: 'Provide your
password to allow this or that'. But when one authenticates, he is doing
some task (that is interrupted by that prompt), and doesn't notice the
icon in the status bar. When latter he notices it, it's not easy to
understand where it came from.

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

So, in what situations would that be useful? When would I want to lose
"the ability to change those things unless you put in your password
again"?

And, is there any understandable way it could be worded?

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Roman A. Taycher]

I believe it basically means it drops the privileges you authenticated
for. IE you probably got a password prompt recently that asked for your
password to allow you to do things you might not want every user doing
such as installing packages, adding/deleting users, changing time,
partitioning the system, ect., when you entered your password and told
them you really are user who has permission to ask to do that you gained
ability to use those system privileges for now. When you drop all
elevated privileges, you loose the ability to change those things unless
you put in your password again.

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

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** Changed in: policykit-gnome
   Status: Unknown => New

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Vish]

Forwarded upstream : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621622

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #621622
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621622

** Also affects: policykit-gnome via
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621622
   Importance: Unknown
   Status: Unknown

** Changed in: policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Triaged

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
Milestone: None => maverick-round-4-potpourri

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** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Importance: Undecided => Low

** Changed in: hundredpapercuts
   Status: New => Triaged

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[James Westby]

** Changed in: policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Medium

** Changed in: policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[James Westby]

** Package changed: policykit-gnome (Ubuntu) => policykit-1-gnome
(Ubuntu)

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[Bug 550502] Re: "Drop all elevated privileges" menu doesn't make sense

[Matthew Paul Thomas]

** Description changed:

  Ubuntu Lucid, all updates installed
  
  1. Install something in Ubuntu Software Center.
  2. Click on the key icon that appears in the panel.
  
  What happens: The key is a menu containing one item, "Drop all elevated
  privileges".
  
- I don't understand this, and I therefore arrogantly assume that most
- people won't understand it either. :-) Does it do anything useful? If
- so, it should be reworded to express its usefulness. If not, it should
- be removed.
+ I don't understand this, and I therefore arrogantly assume that most people 
won't understand it either. :-) I cannot find any explanation in the Ubuntu 
Help or on the Web, only these people who also don't understand it:
+ 

+ 
+ 
+ Does it do anything useful? If so, it should be reworded to express its
+ usefulness. If not, it should be removed.

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