[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
Here are a few from the last week that I've personally been involved with. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1494021 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1491780 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1492209 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1490763 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1490399 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1490469 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1486718 -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
A search of ubuntuforums.org with the following search string: Boot sector info: Grub 2 is installed in the boot sector (quotes included) returned 154 results. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
I know I'd mentioned previously how updates that triggered reconfiguration of grub 2 in Squeeze follows the safer and saner behavior of displaying only drives rather than drives and partitions, but I recently did a reinstall of Karmic and it does likewise. So this only effects Lucid, and having followed it's development from day one I'd swear this behavior changed only towards the end of the Lucid development cycle. How critical is this bug? Well, to quote Arpanaut on the forums: We want them to throw windows out of their PC's Not their PC's out the window. This effects anyone and everyone who is not familiar with Linux device designations, and it's extremely critical for Windows users. I'd guess about 2% of Windows users effected by this have been unable to recover from this without having to reinstall. ** Summary changed: - Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion + Ubuntu Lucid grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion -- Ubuntu Lucid grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
Unfortunately, there's a thread at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1469755 entitled How many users have dual boot unavailable after upgrading to Lucid? and marked Solved... -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
unfortunately the situation is even worse than portrayed here so far , the order of the drives as displayed by the installer is not the same as the BIOS order or the order as presented in Gparted (which I use for all formating and partitioning ) or even consistent from one release to the next . I test on a multi drive ( 6 hds 2 dvds ) box, multi partition 2 to 6 per drive and the only way to really know which is which is to label each partition with a distintive name . and BTW ubiquity sometime refuses to put grub ANYWHERE except the mbr fo what it is calling SDA ( which ) may infact actually be and IDE drive not a sata . some consistency please . -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
As you can see from the comments on this bug this is something of a pain. I am guessing but i really think about a third of the problems with booting MS installs that show up on the forums is due to the installation of grub on the MS boot sector. While I do not have that problem as I will not have MS in the house, I do try to sort this out for folks because I really like the new grub. Something needs to change here or we are going to drive a lot of good folks somewhere else. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
Just to add to Erick's comment, I am still seeing users being hit by this problem on a daily basis. Although this report says 9 people affected I can assure you it's much higher. Unfortunately most of these people are new users attracted to Ubuntu and it's not very good advertising. So, isn't it about time someone changing the importance from 'undecided'? Note also that for some people the proposed fixes work easily, but there are some where the fix does not work and a reinstall is required. Questions: Why does the install program encourage installing grub2 to a partition with no warning, whereas if you try and install grub2 manually you have to force it to do this? Why can't grub2 detect that it doesn't belong on a windows partition? Why does grub2 try and install bootloaders on a wubi upgrade and then when you select no MBR's or partitions give you a big warning about how the system could be unbootable? Opinion: Grub2 is an important piece of Ubuntu, and it needs to fit with all officially supported uses of Ubuntu. This includes dual boots and Wubi installs. I know it's not simple, but it seems to me that it could be a lot simpler. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
I got caught by this too, dual hard drives one XP one Ubuntu, followed the recommendadtion and lost XP A week of searching and then help... Hopefully this is a simple fix -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
I'm also affected by this. It messed up my windows boot sector because it suggested i install to all if I am unsure. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
This is a perfect example of the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1484965 BTW I've linked less than 10% of these examples that I've personally helped to fix. Please, please help us. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
Apologies in advance if I overstepped my bounds here, but I subscribed Colin Watson in hopes that he can shed some insight on this. I promise I won't make such behavior a common practice but I feel this is giving Ubuntu a real black eye so to speak, and I trust Colin's judgment based on previous involvement with grub2 issues. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
In post #4 I'd mentioned this being a duplicate, here's another: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/552056 That one's much older, prior to my being aware of the issue. Sadly I overlooked the issue earlier :^( After seeing the earliest reports of this I even tried a distribution upgrade but failed to recognize that people simply don't understand the difference between drive and partition designations, thus my (invalid) bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/567015 I'm sure if I spent more time I could yield more results. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
I was just fiddling with Debian Squeeze trying to figure out an unrelated issue but it required my changing from legacy grub to grub2, and IMO their approach at this is much safer and saner. I posted a screenshot in this thread at the forums (post #16): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9305905#post9305905 My shot: http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=157072d=1273960112 A shot of the typical Ubuntu behavior (same thread post #1): http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=155778d=1273197137 You'll see they only display the drive designations rather than both drive and partition designations. I do realize that in rare occasions when someone does require grub on a partition they'll have to resort to CLI, but I think that's a much wiser approach. Now to see if my links work ;^) -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
This bug makes my dual-boot not work anymore. I've been trying all the recommended fixes, but still have no luck. If anyone has any other suggestions, please look over my thread and let me know. Thank you! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1480451 -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
Still getting these: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9289108#post9289108 To quote the OP there: During the upgrade it complained about grub not working. It said if i didnt know what drive to mount i had to select all of them, which i did. These are constant. I really can't imagine a much more serious bug (security bugs aside). -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
this installer is a pure nightmare: in douth never trust it some neurons are hardly needed and this installer with its silly comments breaking everything around, might be redesigned. The grub installer need to remove/purge the previous grub release if it exist, then select the ubuntu partition to be installed on it, no need to drop each user and newcomer into confusions and breakages. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
I was affected on my most recent upgrade as well. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9270190#post9270190 -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
I've been helping plenty of people over on the forums who install/upgrade to Lucid and are faced with a nonfunctional computer on the next boot because they misunderstood something in the grub install or upgrade process. It's not always this particular bug, but all user interface issues in grub are astronomically important. Please mark this important! The trauma for new users whose computer seems to have died on them post-ubuntu is huge. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
I have to agree with Erick that the suggestion if in doubt select all is an incorrect direction to give and is causing various degrees of problems for many. Especially those with Windows and are installing grub to many partitions rather than just to the MBR of their first boot hard drive. I was taken aback when this was offered to me upon a fresh install of Lucid, luckily I knew better because of experience with grub2, and I knew exactly where I wanted grub installed. I see better direction and advice within the installer as one possible solution for this serious bug. The inexperienced user is going to say OK when in doubt, go for all because that is what the installer is telling them to do. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
Just a couple of examples: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9257870#post9257870 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9261910#post9261910 That was just in the past 12 hours or so and there were more :^( Recently received this PM: Well my challenge is within swedish forums Example http://www.swedroid.se/forum/showthread.php?t=10609 You are mentioned in my last message as reference. Followed by: Hi again Testdisk solved this and its because of you ! I have helped 3 users today with Testdisk ! What I mean is that we must find or start a new bug-report for this ! Developers doesn't read forums. That was one week ago and he referenced this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466648 These are popping up by the dozens. Therefore I'm changing this to confirmed. ** Changed in: grub2 (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
I suspect this is actually a duplicate of this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/571893 I would however prefer the devs decide. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
I agree that bug #571893 is a duplicate of this one here. We do experience the same trouble here with grub in wrong places when upgrading. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
To add a suggestion that can be included very quickly and easily and may well be sufficient to unexperienced user: #5: Change the help text from the tickbox when asked where to install grub: It should recommend unexperienced users to keep the default setting rather than mislead users to install GRUB to all of them (Drives a meant but this could easily be misinterpreted to partitions as well). The note at the bottom on partition boot records should be changed to a clear warning that other OSs may not be able to boot if Grub is installed to their boot partition record. I would suggest someting like In dual or multi boot installations make sure to NOT install Grub to your Windows or other OSs boot partition. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
@ Takkat, from what I've seen the default is that nothing is ticked and in my experience most novices simply don't know what the various alpha-numerical symbols mean in a drive/partition designation. Surprisingly there is still confusion over the h or s at the beginning and the need for UUID's etc, but my point is that we have a serious problem. I'm part of the problem because I blew it off for weeks blaming it on the bug between the chair and the keyboard so you can blame me for not more aggressively pursuing this throughout iso-testing and upgrade testing. I'm almost certain that once Colin Watson, who seems to get stuck with a lot of these grub2 bugs, get's wind of exactly what the issue is it will be addressed in some manner. Right now we must be patient because of UDS, but I'd expect action on this within 10 to 14 days. It could have been sooner if I'd done a better job of testing and remembering to put my noob shoes on ;^( -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
Noob sez: It's torture reading this thread! The agony of hindsight. From an existing two-disk, two-OS dual-boot setup - and as a newcomer to Ubuntu - I followed the kindly (over-kindly?) advice - if in doubt select all - not because I was unaware of what the partition names mean, but because I had no idea Grub shouldn't be installed to the Windows disk. I mean it's my BIOS priority boot disk and Grub is the boot-loader: so why not? I have been banging my head against this for a week, to no avail. I will now be patient, safe in the knowledge that those-who-know are getting prodded (I am adding my prod to both threads). -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
Peter, for what it's worth my Ubuntu forum name is kansasnoob. I in no way meant the noob shoes comment to seem derogatory. I had not looked at Linux since Lindows until just over two years ago so I am a noob. But since I'm retired this has become my main hobby and I do sometimes forget that others don't know what I've learned, occasionally I need to stand back and ask myself, would I have understood that two years ago? I blew it this time! But, that aside, did you figure out how to fix your problem? If not look here: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:Boot_Sector -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 576724] Re: Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion
Kansasnoob (capitalised as a mark of respect) I wasn't taking umbrage, just hooking in - and following your posts with interest. Yes, the week of head-banging has included taking your advice, but at testdisk Screen 3, I got a non-standard response, which I have posted at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1477410highlight=testdisk Thank you for asking. -- Ubuntu grub2 dist-upgrades result in confusion https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576724 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
