[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
Also, according to listening tests, opus is known to be better than vorbis in every tested scenario, see: http://jmspeex.livejournal.com/13547.html I can say from the experience of ABX testing classical music at low bitrates, 32 kb/s to 64 kb/s, that there's basically no comparison between AoTuV and Opus, in that AoTuV performs vastly better. That can be important for devices with limited storage, like smartphones. I know Xiph consistently claims Opus to be superior, but I've had a very different experience with the music I've tested, and in any case, this isn't a question of Opus vs. AoTuV. This is a question of the latest AoTuV vs. an old version, and we know which is better. I understand that getting the patch applied upstream would be preferred, but realistically, that's not going to happen. This has been a known issue in Debian for years, and nothing has been done about it. It's a simple enough patch to apply that I would say Ubuntu should just go ahead and do it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
I use Arch Linux now. Arch has libvorbis 1.3.4, libvorbis-aotuv b6.03 and opus 1.1. Bye, -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
hdante, just a few comments/questions: 2) Xiph vorbis encoder merged AoTuV tunings What version of the AoTuV tunings have been merged into the Xiph encoder? The version of oggenc that ships with Ubuntu can't go down to 32 kb/s, which is a sign that it's using the old, unpatched reference encoder, rather than the AoTuV tunings. 3) the best lossy open source audio codec is opus: http://xiph.org/press/2012/rfc-6716/ Opus and Vorbis have different uses. Opus is superior in certain applications, like streaming over a variable-bitrate channel in the presence of substantial packet loss, and VOIP with low latency. But Vorbis with AoTuV tunings has far superior sound quality for music, especially at low bitrates, than the reference Opus encoder, and has better support on a range of devices. The fact that Opus is better for some applications shouldn't prevent Ubuntu from shipping with the best free/open source encoder available. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
Vorbis merged an old version of aotuv, latest aotuv is not in vorbis however. Also, according to listening tests, opus is known to be better than vorbis in every tested scenario, see: http://jmspeex.livejournal.com/13547.html -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
Please do not discuss OPUS. Most hw players have no opus support, thus it is not an option. Also, we will not drop kino because cinallera is better. Make existing software as good as possible, as long as it has its purpose. Vorbis definitely has one. Please merge the current patch sets. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
I think the best approach here is to discuss and do this upstream. Feel free to do a petition or whatever. No known distribution add aotuv as an added patch to libvorbis. If properly merged upstream every distribution will then get aotuv in standard libvorbis. Unless someone is really motivated on merging aotuv in Ubuntu libvorbis this 8+ years old request could be closed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
2) Xiph vorbis encoder merged AoTuV tunings (X)ubuntu 13.10, still an issue] 3) the best lossy open source audio codec is opus Not many devices support Opus; and however aoTuV has better quality/bitrate factor -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
Why hasn't this bug been addressed yet? I'd hate to have to log into windows just to be able to use the best lossy open source audio codec. Debian has had 9 years to address this problem, and hasn't. Ubuntu should just go ahead on its own. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
1) reporting a bug in Ubuntu is like trying to have a serious conversation with /dev/null 2) Xiph vorbis encoder merged AoTuV tunings 3) the best lossy open source audio codec is opus: http://xiph.org/press/2012/rfc-6716/ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
** Bug watch added: Xiph.org Trac #1251 http://trac.xiph.org/ticket/1251 ** Also affects: vorbis via http://trac.xiph.org/ticket/1251 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
** Changed in: vorbis Status: Unknown = Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 Title: include aoTuV patch To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/57797/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
** Changed in: libvorbis (Debian) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- include aoTuV patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
** Changed in: libvorbis (Debian) Status: Unknown = Confirmed -- include aoTuV patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 57797] Re: include aoTuV patch
** Summary changed: - Should include aoTuV Release 1 patch + include aoTuV patch -- include aoTuV patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/57797 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
