[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-08-12 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Changed in: example-content (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

** Changed in: istanbul (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

** Changed in: recordmydesktop (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-07-15 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
** Changed in: vlc (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-06-27 Thread John Drinkwater
So it’s been a year since this opened, and little change anywhere on the
desktop. Any updates?

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-05-01 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
AVC offers much better compatibility across encapsulation formats
(notably MPEG-TS) and playback devices than WebM currently does. The
Ubuntu community is not going to take care of the surge of support
request and bad publicity a new version of VLC gets if it breaks that
compatibility.

VP8/WebM is supported, but I do not believe it would an appropriate
default choice at this point in time.

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-05-01 Thread verb3k
So in your country, both H.264 and VP8 are on the same grounds legally.
Then why do you choose H.264 over VP8?

1-The VP8 format bitstream is final, and its patents are provided under
an open license, so there is nothing left for Google to control, apart
from developing/improving the reference implementation. Other
independent implementations for both decoding and encoding exist. They
don't relate to Google whatsoever.

2-Patent infringement claims have been there since eternity, and they're
literally nothing but FUD. Where is the patent pool that was being put
together to "go after" Theora?

3-Google said several times it has no intention to control the format
and, for future iterations of the format, they called anyone willing to
join them. However, why would companies and research firms submit their
patents and ideas to the WebM project when they can submit them to MPEG-
LA and collect massive royalties?

4-Lead x264 developer stated that, with enough work, VP8 can have equal
quality to H.264. And on IRC, he acutally said it that VP8 can surpass
H.264 in 8-bit given a good encoder. He is just saying that the
reference implementation sucks and is giving the format a bad name.

I would like to thank Google for their investment in cracking the MPEG-
LA audio/video monopoly and for their trials in making a better, patent-
troll-free world. Lastly, I don't actually think VLC is a recommended
way to encode video. Therefore I don't really care if H.264 continues to
be the default.

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-05-01 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
You are assuming that they are no other patents than Google's on VP8.
This is an unproven assertion, and some experts have clearly voiced
their serious doubts.

The VideoLAN project has an informal policy of not taking software
patents into accounts when taking decision for the simple reason that:
1/ they are invalid in Europe, where the project is based, and 2/ there
is no way to determine that a certain piece of code does not infringe
any patent (you cannot come and ask the patent office for that kind of
assertion).

The VideoLAN project is a non-profit and it will not let its policy be
dictated by the FSF or Ubuntu zealots. If you have a problem with that,
you better take it up with the VideoLAN project directly than through
Launchpad.

** Changed in: vlc
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-04-30 Thread verb3k
@Rémi Denis-Courmont: VP8 is endorsed by the Free Software Foundation as
its patent license is compliant with software freedom. It is because
Google owned the patents that they were able to license them with that
open license. Patents aren't code. You can't "release" them or nullify
them once they are issued. H.264 is a for-profit format whose ulterior
existence reason is commercial, and most of its pool members have proven
evil throughout their existence. "Top-notch open-source implementations"
exist for VP8 too. libavcodec's ffvp8 decoder is faster than their
ffh264 decoder. VP8 encoding in x264 is being developed as project xvp8
and will be internally integrated into x264. Thanks for nothing Remi.

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-02-27 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
In reply to comment #25
> This is for VLC's convert wizard. The default preset should be WebM instead 
> of a proprietary format

>From Wikipedia: "In telecommunications, a proprietary protocol is a
communications protocol owned by a single organization or individual."

WebM is fully controlled by Google, and hence proprietary.

The VLC default video codec is H.264, an international standard (ISO/IEC
14496-10 - MPEG-4 Part 10, Advanced Video Coding). That does not fit my
definition of "proprietary". You can get the specification for free
there http://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-H.264 . There are also top-notch
open-source implementations, FFmpeg/lavc for decoding, x264 for
encoding.

I guess you meant "patent-encumbered" rather than "proprietary". The
VideoLAN projec operates under EU legislation which does not recognize
software patent. If you live somewhere else, please don't make it the
VLC media player developer's problem. Back to invalid state.

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-02-25 Thread Mechanical snail
per https://bugs.launchpad.net/cheese/+bug/593477/comments/25

** Changed in: vlc (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-02-25 Thread Mechanical snail
Per https://bugs.launchpad.net/cheese/+bug/593477/comments/25

** Changed in: vlc
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-02-25 Thread Mechanical snail
Per https://bugs.launchpad.net/cheese/+bug/593477/comments/25

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-02-03 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2011-01-25 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-10-05 Thread Vish
I mean , closing the cheese task in this bug report!:-)

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-10-05 Thread Vish
Cheese Upstream had set the bugzilla bug as a dup of 
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=564957 , which is already being 
tracked in Bug 385344 .
Ideally if this bug had only a single cheese task, I could have duped it but 
since this has several other tasks. Closing this bug report. 

Anyone interested in this, Kindly subscribe to Bug 385344 .

** Package changed: cheese (Ubuntu) => ubuntu

** Changed in: ubuntu
   Status: Triaged => Invalid

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-10-05 Thread Danny Piccirillo
This is for VLC's convert wizard. The default preset should be WebM
instead of a proprietary format

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-10-05 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
** Changed in: vlc (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-10-05 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
** Changed in: vlc
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-09-25 Thread Jean-François Fortin Tam
** Changed in: pitivi (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

** Changed in: pitivi (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-09-21 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Empathy is already ready for this. We "just" need a VP8
payloader/depayloader in GStreamer.

** Changed in: empathy
   Status: New => Fix Released

** Changed in: telepathy-gabble (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-09-21 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
telepathy-gabble is not involved in this.

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-09-18 Thread Vish
@Danny Piccirillo  : While your efforts at championing this change is
appreciated , you do realize that you are spamming everyone right?

As of now, there are 11ubuntu tasks and 12 upstream tasks in this bug
report and the changes in each of those tasks spam everyone. Not
everyone is interested in all the tasks listed here.

Kindly stop abusing this bug report and do not add any more tasks here.

In future, kindly open separate bug reports rather than opening such meta bugs.
Copy-pasting one line descriptions to a new bug surely does not take much 
effort, I hope.

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-09-18 Thread Danny Piccirillo
For rendering in PiTivi and converting in VLC

** Also affects: pitivi (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: pitivi
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: vlc (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: vlc
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-09-16 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: istanbul
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-09-12 Thread Danny Piccirillo
** Also affects: example-content (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: example-content
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-09-11 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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   Importance: Unknown => Critical

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-08-23 Thread YannUbuntu
Comment #15 : does this mean that Google did not give yet all
informations about WebM ?

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-08-11 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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   Status: Unknown => Confirmed

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-08-11 Thread Vish
Upstream bug was marked dup of
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=564957 , changing bug watch.

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #564957
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=564957

** Changed in: cheese
   Status: Invalid => Unknown

** Changed in: cheese
 Remote watch: GNOME Bug Tracker #621598 => GNOME Bug Tracker #564957

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-08-09 Thread Bug Watch Updater
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-07-15 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: pidgin
   Status: Unknown => New

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-07-15 Thread Micah Gersten
Marking the pidgin task triaged since we now have an upstream bug.

** Bug watch added: Pidgin Trac #12325
   http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/12325

** Changed in: pidgin
   Importance: Undecided => Unknown

** Changed in: pidgin
   Status: New => Unknown

** Changed in: pidgin
 Remote watch: None => Pidgin Trac #12325

** Changed in: pidgin (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-22 Thread Sebastien Bacher
upstream bug comment

"Farsight2 doesn't pick codecs. The preferences are set by the application by
calling fs_session_set_codec_preferences().

That said, as soon as there is a more or less standardised RTP payloading for
VP8. I do plan to advertise it as the best format to use."

** Changed in: telepathy-gabble (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

** Changed in: farsight2 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

** Changed in: farsight2 (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-16 Thread Danny Piccirillo
Hmm...FFmpeg 0.6 released, codenamed "Works with HTML 5"
http://lwn.net/Articles/392248/

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-15 Thread Dominic Evans
I think you'll find that the official ffmpeg trunk has only had vpx
encoding for around 12 days, and webm muxing for about 8 days. Maverick
is still on ffmpeg 0.5.1 (0.5.2 is latest official release) and Ubuntu
tracks releases rather than svn snapshots.

I'd hence hypothesis that the bugs you've raised again 'project
(Ubuntu)' packages are all invalid until a) (at the very least) ffmpeg
and gstreamer have made official releases with vpx and webm support and
b) the upstreams for each of the projects have similarly made releases
with support for vpx and webm either through their own direct linking
against libvpx etc., or via ffmpeg/gstreamer prereq

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-15 Thread Danny Piccirillo
ffmpeg upstream has had webm support since it was announced, and it
should have it by maverick. pitivi is based on gstreamer, not ffmpeg,
which has also had webm support upstream since the announcement.

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-15 Thread Dominic Evans
e.g., there's not much point in recordmydesktop making .webm files when
none of the editors (e.g., pitivi) based around ffmpeg can edit them

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-15 Thread Dominic Evans
Surely these bugs cannot be usefully completed until the ffmpeg .deb in
maverick starts having compiled-in webm support?

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-14 Thread Danny Piccirillo
Oops, didn't mean to add this in the first place

** Changed in: amsn
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-14 Thread Danny Piccirillo
@Omer Akram

Okay thanks. Hopefully i've added them correctly! Let me know if not

** Also affects: telepathy-gabble (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: telepathy-gabble
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: farsight2 (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: amsn
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Also affects: farsight
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #28544
   http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28544

** Changed in: farsight
   Importance: Undecided => Unknown

** Changed in: farsight
   Status: New => Unknown

** Changed in: farsight
 Remote watch: None => freedesktop.org Bugzilla #28544

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-14 Thread Omer Akram
@Danny Piccirillo For telepathy, bugs should be opened for telepathy
gabble, farsight2 and gstreamer but empathy is not related at all.

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-14 Thread Vish
Thanks for sending upstream

** Changed in: cheese (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Triaged

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-14 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: cheese
   Status: Unknown => New

** Changed in: istanbul
   Status: Unknown => New

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-14 Thread Danny Piccirillo
For some reason i can't link recordmydesktop to the upstream bug:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3016200&group_id=172357&atid=861428

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #621598
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** Changed in: cheese
   Importance: Undecided => Unknown

** Changed in: cheese
   Status: New => Unknown

** Changed in: cheese
 Remote watch: None => GNOME Bug Tracker #621598

** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #621599
   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621599

** Changed in: istanbul
   Importance: Undecided => Unknown

** Changed in: istanbul
   Status: New => Unknown

** Changed in: istanbul
 Remote watch: None => GNOME Bug Tracker #621599

** Bug watch added: SourceForge.net Tracker #3016200
   http://sourceforge.net/support/tracker.php?aid=3016200

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-14 Thread Danny Piccirillo
That would go for pidgin as well, but isn't a standard planned? Wouldn't
that mean this bug isn't invalid?

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-14 Thread Yannick Defais
If the above is true, it is the same issue with the SIP protocol, thus
invalid for Ekiga too.

Best regards,
Yannick

** Changed in: ekiga (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

** Changed in: ekiga
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-13 Thread Omer Akram
Currently it cannot be used for telepathy for #telepathy

"currently there's no standard for vp8 rtp payloaders or depayloader,
until there is a standard, it can't very well realistically be used for
voip"

** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Invalid

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-13 Thread Vish
This bug is an upstream one and it would be quite helpful if somebody 
experiencing it could send the bug the to the people writing the software.  You 
can learn more about how to do this for various upstreams at 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream. 
Once submitted upstream , do report back here with the upstream bug number.
Thanks in advance!

** Changed in: cheese (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

** Changed in: recordmydesktop (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

** Changed in: pidgin (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

** Changed in: istanbul (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

** Changed in: ekiga (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

** Changed in: empathy (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Wishlist

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[Bug 593477] Re: Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

2010-06-13 Thread Danny Piccirillo
** Summary changed:

- Use WebM as the default video format
+ Use VP8/WebM as the default video codec/format

** Description changed:

- Binary package hint: cheese
- 
  WebM should be used by default for superior quality and widespread
  acceptance

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