Re: [Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-15 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

Just the "open this folder" button is sufficient for Maverick, this bug
can be closed when we achieve that.

Mark

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-13 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
If you want to talk about the future file browsing/managing in Unity
then please open a thread on the ayatana list or in another bug. Let's
keep this bug to be about what we'll do for Maverick.

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-12 Thread ammonkey
@David Stevenson : nautilus and nautilus-elementary are highly unstable on 
ubuntu maverick 10.10 due to libgtk
Already reported bug here 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/626040 
same applies for libgtk-2.21.7

more information here http://ammonkey.posterous.com/multiple-problems-
about-nautilus-nautilus-ele

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread David Stevenson
Mark
I was not aware of nautilus elementary, so I have now installed it 2.31.1 & 
2.31.90, and my comments are first impressions.
It does not really address my feeling that nautilus does not integrate well 
with the 10.04 netbook interface. This may now be irrelevant as unity is here, 
but the "Files and Folders" menu tab stood out as different in how it worked 
from all the others. All the icons presented opened the same nautilus, but with 
the selected focus, this always felt wrong.
In lucid I like the improvements in nautilus elementary.
In meerkat I am having problems with bugs, but I think I will like it. RGBA is 
not for me, but I like configurable, so people who like RGBA can use it. But I 
would like to try the ClutterView but can not get it do do anything. 
Configurable vertical menu is good for me (if I can get it to work!).
Personally I think replacing the "files and folders" action with nautilus 
elementary will suit me fine.
Maybe it could be an option with the current action + an advanced button as an 
alternative.
I realise my requirements are very different from the dual boot not much file 
system model.
David
ps I am using the trash icon as launch nautilus.

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Re: [Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
 Hi David

I'd be interested to hear what you think of the Elementary Nautilus
interface on your device. I haven't tried it, but folks have said good
things.

Mark

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Sean Fitzpatrick
When I first noticed that I couldn't do everything I wanted in the Unity 
browser, I just ran nautilus once from the terminal, and then pinned it to the 
launcher once it ran - so now if I want to do something more involved I can 
click on the nautilus icon instead of the Files icon.
I wanted to add a +1 for some sort of 'open/browse in File Manager' 
functionality, from a discussion with Mikkel on a (now) duplicate bug.  An icon 
would do the trick (especially for touch screens) but my preference for 
netbooks would be to have access to the option by right-clicking a folder.  As 
noted above there's currently no right-click function, and it would be good for 
the right mouse button to have something to do! :)

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread David Stevenson
A couple more use cases:
How do I access a non mounted volume? (I am dual booting lucid and meerkat)
How do I access other network shares?

As a comment I am using lucid netbook as my desktop in my pocket, and think the 
full screen apps, left hand menu is good. But I found nautilus did not fit 
well, it always looks out of place old world. So I was looking forward to how 
unity would get over this.
However for now I need open nautilus as an application.
David

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Re: [Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

I think the principle of an "open this folder in the file manager"
button is correct, so we'll go with that for 10.10. I think the
execution could be more visual, so we'll review that for 11.04.

Mark

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Pete Goodall
Ok, just to clarify a bit here.  I think the case of a usb-connected
volume is a separate bug and I will file that next.

@Mark - Even if Nautilus was one of the default folders in the launcher
I have since removed it because I didn't think I needed it.  As this is
an editable item in the launcher I don't think we can rely on it
existing there.  Unless we want to make it mandatory, but that might
seem redundant to the files place.

The core bug still stands, that it is next to impossible to open a
nautilus window.  The proposed fix of putting a folder icon the section
title bar does avoid breaking translations freeze, but doesn't really
indicate that I can open that folder.  Can we not use stock translations
for this?  I have a hard time believing we have never translated "Open
Folder".  A couple more use cases:

* I exported a bunch of pictures to my Desktop and I want to zip them
into one file to send to my parents.  In order to do this I need to open
a nautilus window, but can't seem to do so.  I click find the Desktop
folder in the "Folders" filter, but clicking on that folder stays in
Unity and doesn't allow me to select multiple files, much less perform
any other action than opening the file.

* I download a form from my local town council that is an editable pdf.
The pdf can't be edited in Evince, so I want to open it in Adobe Reader,
but there is no right-click function in Unity.

* I want to get to a diagram I have stored in my Projects folder I
created in my home directory.  I haven't accessed this folder in a
while, but want to view the diagram to see if it is appropriate to send
on.  As the Projects folder was never set as a "Favourite" folder and
doesn't show up in my history I can't seem to find it in Unity.

I'll try to come up with some more, but it really is quite frustrating
to not have access to a file browser.

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen

** Attachment added: "SVG icon with open folder. Unity style"
   
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/633201/+attachment/1565349/+files/open-folder.svg

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
Sebastien: thanks

In order to proceed swiftly with this I mocked up something you can find
in the attachment. It looks a lot like David's original spec at least
:-)

Attaching the SVG for the icon in a sec...

** Attachment added: "Mockup with browse-this-folder-in-nautilus icon"
   
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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Sebastien Bacher
see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess on how to get
exception, you need to subscribe ubuntu-release and notify the
documentation and translations teams about the change before doing it

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Re: [Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
 On 10/09/10 09:53, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> This would at least somewhat mitigate this problem, and should maybe be
> small enough in scope for ui/feature freeze break exception to be
> granted..?

If it can be implemented quickly and cleanly, +1

Mark

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
The Files IX spec mentions that there should be a "Browse This
Folder"-button on the far right in the path-bar when you are in folder
browsing mod. Clicking that would open Nautilus on the right folder.

This would at least somewhat mitigate this problem, and should maybe be
small enough in scope for ui/feature freeze break exception to be
granted..?

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-10 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
** Changed in: unity
Milestone: None => 2010-09-16

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Re: [Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-09 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

No, you're probably right, we should rather refine the Files place.

Pete, can you outline a couple of use cases again, and we'll do that?

Mark

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-09 Thread Didier Roche
@Mark: I removed it before beta, as we added it a long time before as a
workaround about not of the file places. Do you think we should add it
again as a default launcher?

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Re: [Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-09 Thread Mark Shuttleworth

Pete, nautilus is one of the default icons in the Launcher, or it used
to be. Is that no longer the case?

Mark

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[Bug 633201] Re: Opening a nautilus window is next to impossible

2010-09-09 Thread Vish
Pete: the workaround , i use for this is using the "Trash" tile below
;-)

The trash folder in nautilus opens up, from where i navigate elsewhere
..

** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided => Low

** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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