[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
This bug was fixed in the package ubiquity - 2.7.0 --- ubiquity (2.7.0) oneiric; urgency=low [ Evan Dandrea ] * Prevent the OOM killer from selecting ubiquity. See LP #770865. * Ensure that the partition ComboBoxEntry can be focused (LP: #769043). * Hide the other pages when starting the slideshow so that verbose languages that cause the window to grow do not leave lots of whitespace on the slideshow (LP: #770253). * Don't offer the download updates option when there is no Internet connection. See LP: 651932. * Provide access to the keymaps most-relevant for the currently selected language in the keyboard indicator (LP: #656777). * gnome-settings-daemon no longer daemonizes (LP: #788859). * Automatic update of included source packages: partman-auto 93ubuntu16. [ Colin Watson ] * Re-enable alpha warning for oneiric. * Make ubiquity/nonfree_package preseedable, and allow it to contain multiple whitespace-separated package names. [ Mario Limonciello ] * In automatic ubiquity mode, don't clobber grub-installer/bootdev because of the U/I widget not being populated. Fixes preseeded grub-installer/bootdev. -- Evan Dandrea e...@ubuntu.com Tue, 31 May 2011 14:56:14 +0100 ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
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[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
I have a suggestion. When the installer menu (install ubuntu/try ubuntu) pops up, you can set up your network through the network-tab (top-right) just before installing ubuntu (this allows the downloading of patches during install). Why don't you add a tab next to the network-tab in order to allow one to set the proper keyboard-layout? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
Similar problem in the Japanese version--but at this point I'm expecting Ubuntu to become more useless with each so-called upgrade. I'm just trying to do the upgrade, and the first question it asks is for a keyboard, but it does NOT offer ANY option that is recognizably similar to the keyboard they I am using. I wouldn't mind so much if it was some kind of exotic computer, but it is NOT. Just a plain Jane Lenovo X61 ThinkPad. Ever heard of it? Evidently not. Look, I really want you to succeed, but you are failing more and more. I have already decided NOT to install Ubuntu on any more machines, because it gets worse and worse each time. At this point I'm still attempting to update some of my VMware installations... Or at least I tried it once. The so far evidence is that I should just give up now and save myself the additional grief. Waste of time, but I'm going to repeat myself: I don't blame you for failing. I think the problem is your economic model, which is basically the big donor model for charity. That can work if the donor is rich enough, but he isn't, or if he always makes perfect decisions, but he doesn't. I'm going to try to end on a constructive note that addresses the REAL problem here by suggesting that you need to adjust your economic model to get MUCH more testing into the process. My main conclusion at this point is that you need to insure there is enough testing BEFORE you release an upgrade, even if it delays the upgrades. Here's a suggested funding mechanism that would get committed funds from small donors BEFORE you program: http://eco-epistemology.blogspot.com/2009/11/economics-of-small-donors- reverse.html -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
** Also affects: ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) Importance: High Assignee: Evan Dandrea (ev) Status: Confirmed ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) Status: Confirmed = Won't Fix ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) Milestone: later = None -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
Kate, we can't do this for beta-2 - it would be too disruptive. Moving back to later, as we should revisit it for Oneiric per the previous comments. ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Assignee: Canonical Foundations Team (canonical-foundations) = Evan Dandrea (ev) ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Milestone: ubuntu-11.04-beta-2 = later ** Also affects: ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) Assignee: (unassigned) = Evan Dandrea (ev) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/661329 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
That seems reasonable for Oneiric. (I didn't know the indicator existed; Evan may have been aware of it though ...) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Milestone: later = ubuntu-11.04-beta-2 ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Canonical Foundations Team (canonical-foundations) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
Same bug with Swiss-French on ubuntu-desktop natty iso-testing 64 bits, build 20110329.1 All swiss-French choose give same as Swiss-German: é = ö and à = ä -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
Update for #5: In system setting -- keyboard, if i choose French and layout Swiss- French , i get the right task . So only in ubiquity it do wrong Best Regards -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
Didier, in the wider context it's not always just the language that informs the keyboard choice: it's often the combination of language and country, or even just the country. Selecting by language only may be an improvement over the US keymap in your case, but definitely not always. For example, the French Canadian keymap is very much closer to the US keymap than to the French keymap, and I'm willing to bet that French Canadians would be quite upset if we assumed that they'd prefer the French keymap just because they speak French. While you're right that gfxboot makes the same assumption, at the time I made that assumption in gfxboot there was very little typing required before you had the opportunity to modify the default keyboard layout; and gfxboot also offers a keyboard menu, so it's possible to change it immediately if it's wrong (at least after the first time you notice the problem). That wouldn't be the case here - there's no way to change the keyboard layout until after the timezone page. As Evan says, there isn't a simple quick fix here, certainly not as simple as moving things around or assuming that language is sufficient to infer keyboard layout. A keyboard indicator would allow the user to change the keyboard layout before or after the timezone page as necessary, and is probably the proper solution. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
Oh sure Colin, we discussed that around maverick release cycle and I agree with you. :) What do you think about adding the keyboard indicator (it's there for natty IIRC) by default in the ubiquity session with a default selection based on language, as for gfxboot does? Not sure the timeframe will enable that though, but maybe for Oneiric? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
Same bug in the German version. Usually German users use QWERTZ keyboards. Not easy for newcomers to type in their home town which might be written with an umlaut. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 Title: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
For the French or any others not using a QWERTY keyboard -- Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
** Tags added: iso-testing -- Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
** Description changed: Binary package hint: ubiquity Offline installation: 1. start the live without using the syslinux menu (so, wait for booting in the ubiquity installer) 2. Select French 3. get to next steps… 4. if you try to either define manually partition or set the town/country your are in, you will see that your keyboard is in qwerty (most of people speaking French have an azerty keyboard, especially as the default town when choosing French with no network is Paris. 5. then, the good keyboard is proposed as a default on the next step and all is well configured. - having a qwerty keyboard can be confusing when making a custom partition, or trying to set a town/country in the map. - - also, if you choose try ubuntu from ubiquity after selecting French, you are leaded to a live session with a qwerty keyboard, which isn't great as your first ubuntu experience. + - Not that, if you choose try ubuntu from ubiquity after selecting French, you are leaded to a live session with an azerty keyboard, at least, this only affects the partition manually and choose you city in ubiquity. - - This doesn't happen if you use the syslinux menu. (which means, pressing a key at the very start, then choosing French) - the right keyboard is selected. + This doesn't happen if you use the syslinux menu. (which means, pressing + a key at the very start, then choosing French) - the right keyboard is + selected. -- Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
** Description changed: Binary package hint: ubiquity - Offline installation: + From a box connected or disconnected from the Internet: 1. start the live without using the syslinux menu (so, wait for booting in the ubiquity installer) 2. Select French 3. get to next steps… 4. if you try to either define manually partition or set the town/country your are in, you will see that your keyboard is in qwerty (most of people speaking French have an azerty keyboard, especially as the default town when choosing French with no network is Paris. 5. then, the good keyboard is proposed as a default on the next step and all is well configured. - having a qwerty keyboard can be confusing when making a custom partition, or trying to set a town/country in the map. - Not that, if you choose try ubuntu from ubiquity after selecting French, you are leaded to a live session with an azerty keyboard, at least, this only affects the partition manually and choose you city in ubiquity. This doesn't happen if you use the syslinux menu. (which means, pressing a key at the very start, then choosing French) - the right keyboard is selected. -- Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
This is a consequence of us moving partitioning before keyboard selection. The timezone page already appeared before the keyboard page in previous releases, but typing to find a city was not the secondary means of interaction then, as it is now. This use case was meant to be handled by a keyboard layout indicator, but that work was deferred to Natty. Unfortunately, we cannot move keyboard selection any further forward as it depends on the timezone being set so that it may guess the correct layout based on location and language. ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu) Milestone: None = later -- Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 656777] Re: Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity
Why not taking the choice than if you select French - azerty (well, French oss) as keyboard detection is proposing in the following screen after by default? (also, syslinux is making the same assumption). It seems like you have the same map between language - common keyboard layout used. -- Wrong keyboard selection with starting directly ubiquity https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/656777 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
