[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
** Description changed: - Binary package hint: software-center + Ubuntu Software Center 5.3.11, Ubuntu Q + 1. Search for files. + 2. Select Files (nautilus), and choose Remove. - After removing Evolution I wanted to get rid of all the related packages - to Evolution, which I would imagine alot of other users would too! I - removed libcamel because it was described as MIME handler for Evolution. - However on reboot my Ubuntu install was annoyingly broken!! + What happens: If you uninstall Files, future updates will not include + new updates in The Ubuntu desktop system set. Are you sure you want to + continue? + + What should happen: Files is a core item in Ubuntu. Removing it may + cause future upgrades to be incomplete. + https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#removing + + + After removing Evolution I wanted to get rid of all the related packages to Evolution, which I would imagine alot of other users would too! I removed libcamel because it was described as MIME handler for Evolution. However on reboot my Ubuntu install was annoyingly broken!! After some investigation it seems that removing libcamel also removes the ubuntu-desktop package! Im very annoyed that this bug is still here and nobody has reported it or discovered it. In the following thread I vented my frustration on this issue and included a screenshot of what it tells you will be removed. The ubuntu- desktop package is not listed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1607443 However I want a very, very obvious warning dialog to show up if ubuntu- desktop or any important system packages are going to be removed. This is essential to stop new Ubuntu users from easily breaking their own Ubuntu installation! ** Summary changed: - No warning before removing important packages!! + Unclear warning before removing critical packages ** Description changed: Ubuntu Software Center 5.3.11, Ubuntu Q 1. Search for files. 2. Select Files (nautilus), and choose Remove. What happens: If you uninstall Files, future updates will not include new updates in The Ubuntu desktop system set. Are you sure you want to continue? What should happen: Files is a core item in Ubuntu. Removing it may cause future upgrades to be incomplete. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#removing + (The Dash equivalent is bug 1047315.) - After removing Evolution I wanted to get rid of all the related packages to Evolution, which I would imagine alot of other users would too! I removed libcamel because it was described as MIME handler for Evolution. However on reboot my Ubuntu install was annoyingly broken!! + After removing Evolution I wanted to get rid of all the related packages + to Evolution, which I would imagine alot of other users would too! I + removed libcamel because it was described as MIME handler for Evolution. + However on reboot my Ubuntu install was annoyingly broken!! After some investigation it seems that removing libcamel also removes the ubuntu-desktop package! Im very annoyed that this bug is still here and nobody has reported it or discovered it. In the following thread I vented my frustration on this issue and included a screenshot of what it tells you will be removed. The ubuntu- desktop package is not listed. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1607443 However I want a very, very obvious warning dialog to show up if ubuntu- desktop or any important system packages are going to be removed. This is essential to stop new Ubuntu users from easily breaking their own Ubuntu installation! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 Title: Unclear warning before removing critical packages To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/668382/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
The next step, to make *this* bug fixable, is for someone to come up with a way where USC can tell that it is dangerous to remove libcamel1.2-14 but not dangerous to remove evolution. Any omissions in the list of packages that will be removed should be a separate bug report, please. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 Title: No warning before removing important packages!! -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
The issue I described in the other bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/680385 was slightly different: The problem was caused because software center did apt-get autoremove. The packages removed before the autoremove operation were not critical. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 Title: No warning before removing important packages!! -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
I removed evolution-data-server and evolution-data-server-common because I use gmail, so I didn't want any email software on my system. However, that removed gnome-panel with no notice whatsoever. I would like to suggest that we show what packages are being removed regardless of whether it's considered 'important'. A list of 'important' software could always be incomplete. If it's going to be removed I'd like to know about it under any circumstance. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 Title: No warning before removing important packages!! -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
I agree, USC should definitely let you know what packages are being removed. I had thought that it already did, but perhaps not. But I think it should go a step further for users who don't know what packages are important (my example in Bug #653293 had no idea what gnome-panel was) by giving them a stern warning before such packages are removed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 Title: No warning before removing important packages!! -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
If I understand you correctly, Matthew, we have a couple of problems.
1) This message fails to appear when a dependency of ubuntu-desktop is marked
for removal: “{title} is a core item in Ubuntu. Removing it may cause future
upgrades to be incomplete.”
2) When a very important package is marked for removal, the user isn't very
strongly warned that it's a bad idea.
If there is an identifiable set of packages where removing any one of
them prevents Ubuntu from starting up, there should be a separate bug
report for USC to warn more strongly in that case.
Perhaps someone can suggest a way to identify such packages. In my
duplicate Bug #653293, I suggested simply hard-coding a list of
important packages into USC. It's not pretty, but it's better than
what's in place now.
Should these bugs be unmarked as duplicates since we have two issues to
be addressed?
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[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
The error message David quotes is defined in step 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#removing. However, The Ubuntu desktop system is the title of ubuntu-desktop, and that is supposed to be special-cased with its own error message in step 3. So, that much is a bug in USC. Removing ubuntu-desktop has no immediate effect, because it's just a metapackage. If there is an identifiable set of packages where removing any one of them prevents Ubuntu from starting up, there should be a separate bug report for USC to warn more strongly in that case. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 Title: No warning before removing important packages!! -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
I have just tried this in Natty alpha. If you try and uninstall Cups you get the following message. If you uninstall Cups, future updates will not include new items in The Desktop system set. Ar you sure you want to continue. And if you scroll down the bottom item on the list is The Ubuntu desktop system If you continue you get a system that will not even boot into a command line. I feel this bug should not be about changing the warning, although that needs doing, but should be about not removing the bulk of the Ubuntu system, for no good reason. I understand, although I have not tried it, apt-get will get this right and remove cups and leave the system working. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 Title: No warning before removing important packages!! -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
I guess The Ubuntu desktop system is the ubuntu-desktop package. I'm glad Natty warns before removing that. Obviously the warning should be more strong considering the effect of continuing. I had thought this sort of thing was caused by APT's dependency calculation going weird, so the same thing would happen whether you used apt-get or a GUI. It may vary by case though. Although it would the the better way, fixing a problem in APT would be more difficult than slapping a stronger warning on Software Center. Either way, something needs fixing. :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 Title: No warning before removing important packages!! -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
gdebi-gtk does warn about removing ubuntu-desktop and libsdl1.2-debian- pulseaudio. However, software center does NOT warn that it's going to do autoremove and start removing their dependencies too. -- No warning before removing important packages!! https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 668382] Re: No warning before removing important packages!!
Confirming. The current implementation of warning which packages will be removed returns incomplete lists. ** Changed in: software-center (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = Medium ** Changed in: software-center (Ubuntu) Status: New = Triaged -- No warning before removing important packages!! https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668382 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
