[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
** Changed in: audacity Status: Confirmed => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689]
Closing this bug as it works for me (Xubuntu 20.04) and we've not seen any reports of this problem for many years. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689]
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[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
Closed due to no response. ** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
Thank you for reporting this bug to Ubuntu. Ubuntu 10.10 (maverick) reached end-of-life on April 10, 2012. See this document for currently supported Ubuntu releases: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases Please upgrade to the latest version and re-test. ** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Incomplete ** Changed in: portaudio (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: portaudio (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689]
(In reply to comment #2) Rated as P3 and added release note. Please adjust the note if inaccurate. Added comments from the launchpad report... Comment from David Henningsson on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacity/+bug/687689 comment 8 on 2011-03-21: > Christal wrote on 2011-03-20: > @richard: >> >> The core is that Audacity actively probes all available ALSA devices, >> which upsets the tower-of-babel that has been built on top of them. > > Does this also happens if we only enumerate the devices? > I mean audacity can just list the devices, and user can decide if it should > used and probed. I think this would be a good idea. Also, I *think* the current recommendation is to use snd_device_name_hint API over the snd_config_xxx API for device list enumeration. > This may also speedup the startup ...and lessen the "clicks" present on some devices. Comment from original poster nate m in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacity/+bug/687689 comment 4 on 2011-03-10: Audacity is still a bit dodgy, but after a bit of fiddling, creating a symbolic link from /var/lib/alsa/asound.state to /dev/null and a reboot it is all working. It can playback and record over bluetooth using pulseaudio without too much drama. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
> I mean audacity can just list the devices, and user can decide if it should used and probed. I think this would be a good idea. Also, I *think* the current recommendation is to use snd_device_name_hint API over the snd_config_xxx API for device list enumeration. > This may also speedup the startup ...and lessen the "clicks" present on some devices. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
v 24 11:55:36 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ lsb_release -rd Description: Ubuntu 10.10 Release: 10.10 What I expected to happen: Open Audacity to edit a file for a ringtone. Make a quick edit, save the file, upload to the phone via bluetooth What happened instead: Audacity hung 2 or 3 times and finally opened. Made a quick edit to a mp3 file for a ringtone. Tried to upload the file to the phone via nautilus 'send to' support, and eventually realized that Audacity broke it. Full report can be found in the Ubuntu bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/comments/1 On 2011-01-29T11:33:22+00:00 Richard Ash wrote: (Note using the abbreviation "PA" is highly confusing - please don't). Jack is I'm fairly sure irrelevant to this discussion. The core is that Audacity actively probes all available ALSA devices, which upsets the tower-of-babel that has been built on top of them. There are two ways round this that are long-term acceptable: 1. Write a proper PulseAudio backend for PortAudio, the audio abstraction library that Audacity uses. Ubuntu can then compile their Portaudio build with only that backend enabled, and restrict Audacity to just PulseAudio devices. 2. Fix the ALSA emulation in PulseAudio and Ubuntu's ALSA configuration so that what Audacity does is acceptable and doesn't crash things. This might include hiding the real ALSA devices so only the faked ones are visible, and ensuring that the full ALSA API works (or at least doesn't crash things). Option 1 would mean that when ripping out PulseAudio, PortAudio would have to be replaced with a build that supports ALSA, but that's not a big deal. It would also involve knowing enough about the PulseAudio API to work out how to wrap it up for the PortAudio callback structure. None of this is terribly hard, and would benefit all PortAudio-based applications on systems with PulseAudio operational. Option 2. Would require substantial input from PulseAudio developers, probably in conjunction with someone who understands how the Ubuntu sound stack is supposed to work. Would probably only benefit Ubuntu in the main, and may involve quite invasive changes to alsa-lib, which I would imagine won't go upstream. Neither is going to get done by me (I don't run PulseAudio, or indeed Gnome, and have many higher priorities), and as the supply of other Linux developers round here is rather thin, don't hold out too much hope for anyone else from Audacity picking it up. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/comments/2 On 2011-03-20T08:26:16+00:00 Christal wrote: (In reply to comment #1) @richard: > The core is that Audacity actively probes all available ALSA devices, > which upsets the tower-of-babel that has been built on top of them. Does this also happens if we only enumerate the devices? I mean audacity can just list the devices, and user can decide if it should used and probed. This may also speedup the startup, with a "positive" device list we can skip plug and probe/pray. Just my 2cents. Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/audacity/+bug/687689/comments/7 ** Changed in: audacity Status: Unknown => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
Thanks for your reply. Sorry it took so long for mine. And I apologize for my negative tone before. I was pretty irritated at the time and it was rude. I am pleased to say that with a fresh install of the 11.04 Ubuntu Alpha 3 release I was able to try out bluetooth again on my new PC and it seems to be perfectly happy with Audacity. Audacity is still a bit dodgy, but after a bit of fiddling, creating a symbolic link from /var/lib/alsa/asound.state to /dev/null and a reboot it is all working. It can playback and record over bluetooth using pulseaudio without too much drama. Thank you for taking the time to reply to the bug. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
Part of the problem is Audacity using snd_config_xxx api:s to enumerate devices, then tries to open all of them in all ways possible. Try temporarily move /usr/share/alsa/bluetooth.conf somewhere else, so it can't be used, then reboot your computer. Is bluetooth now working both before and after starting audacity? ** Changed in: audacity (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
> 2. Fix the ALSA emulation in PulseAudio and Ubuntu's ALSA configuration so > that > what Audacity does is acceptable and doesn't crash things. This might include > hiding the real ALSA devices so only the faked ones are visible, and ensuring > that the full ALSA API works (or at least doesn't crash things). Probably the easiest thing to do is just deny permission to access the real Alsa devices to all applications except PulseAudio or Jack. In my experience I can use Audacity just fine using the virtual Alsa device offered by Pulseaudio. It can record and play back on any Alsa device I can use, just as long as I don't let it actually try to configure any real Alsa device on it's own. Same thing with most any other application. Nobody except the sound daemon should be allowed to touch the hardware if there is a sound daemon running. It's like trying to run a application that writes directly to the video framebuffer, uncontrolled, while your using X. Bad things are bound to happen. But that is probably beyond the scope of this bug. I will probably have to file a bug somewhere else. Maybe one of those paper cut things or something. I don't really know what the most appropriate place to goto then. > Neither is going to get done by me (I don't run PulseAudio, or indeed Gnome, > and have many higher priorities), and as the supply of other Linux developers > round here is rather thin, don't hold out too much hope for anyone else from > Audacity picking it up. That's too bad, although I don't blame you or expect you to fix it. Just as long as people realize that Audacity on Ubuntu is a currently broken-by-default configuration and know to avoid using it that's what really matters the most. If you want to mark it down as "Won't Fix" I am not going to hold it against you. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
Response from upstream (Richard Ash): (Note using the abbreviation "PA" is highly confusing - please don't). Jack is I'm fairly sure irrelevant to this discussion. The core is that Audacity actively probes all available ALSA devices, which upsets the tower-of-babel that has been built on top of them. There are two ways round this that are long-term acceptable: 1. Write a proper PulseAudio backend for PortAudio, the audio abstraction library that Audacity uses. Ubuntu can then compile their Portaudio build with only that backend enabled, and restrict Audacity to just PulseAudio devices. 2. Fix the ALSA emulation in PulseAudio and Ubuntu's ALSA configuration so that what Audacity does is acceptable and doesn't crash things. This might include hiding the real ALSA devices so only the faked ones are visible, and ensuring that the full ALSA API works (or at least doesn't crash things). Option 1 would mean that when ripping out PulseAudio, PortAudio would have to be replaced with a build that supports ALSA, but that's not a big deal. It would also involve knowing enough about the PulseAudio API to work out how to wrap it up for the PortAudio callback structure. None of this is terribly hard, and would benefit all PortAudio-based applications on systems with PulseAudio operational. Option 2. Would require substantial input from PulseAudio developers, probably in conjunction with someone who understands how the Ubuntu sound stack is supposed to work. Would probably only benefit Ubuntu in the main, and may involve quite invasive changes to alsa-lib, which I would imagine won't go upstream. Neither is going to get done by me (I don't run PulseAudio, or indeed Gnome, and have many higher priorities), and as the supply of other Linux developers round here is rather thin, don't hold out too much hope for anyone else from Audacity picking it up. ** Also affects: portaudio (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Also affects: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] Re: Audacity ruins bluetooth
** Bug watch added: Audacity Bugzilla #270 http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270 ** Also affects: audacity via http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=270 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/687689 Title: Audacity ruins bluetooth -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 687689] [NEW] Audacity ruins bluetooth
Public bug reported: Binary package hint: audacity Apparently Audacity is not smart enough to know that it's running under a Gnome environment. Everything in terms of audio devices is managed quite well with pulseaudio, bluetooth-applet, and other Gnome desktop infrastructure. It tries to hard and breaks it. It tries to hack into my bluetooth in a vain attempt to find a headset or something like that and it ruins my bluetooth support in the desktop. I am no longer able to send files or use bluetooth in anyway. First thing it does when you launch it is that it does nothing. It'll just hang. You click on the icon in the menu and you won't get any feedback. Even if you run it from the command line it will give no feedback and display no errors. It just hangs. Then you kill it and restart it a couple times and it launches successfully. Sorta. Besides the globalmenu bug reported in another report it displays this error on my terminal: $ audacity bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) bt_audio_service_open: connect() failed: Connection refused (111) Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory Cannot connect to server socket jack server is not running or cannot be started Expression 'stream->capture.pcm' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 3653 Here is the errors reported by dmesg: [ 807.086761] EXT4-fs (dm-0): re-mounted. Opts: commit=0 [ 812.790151] usb 6-1: USB disconnect, address 2 [ 812.790881] btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb 88010e8e1600 failed to resubmit (19) [ 812.790905] btusb_bulk_complete: hci0 urb 88010e8e1c00 failed to resubmit (19) [ 812.791892] btusb_bulk_complete: hci0 urb 8801185a93c0 failed to resubmit (19) [ 812.792064] btusb_send_frame: hci0 urb 8800c0872e40 submission failed [ 813.322598] usb 6-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 [ 900.790130] usb 6-1: USB disconnect, address 3 [ 900.790753] btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb 8800cba0d6c0 failed to resubmit (19) [ 900.790784] btusb_bulk_complete: hci0 urb 8800c0805d80 failed to resubmit (19) [ 900.791836] btusb_bulk_complete: hci0 urb 8800c0805180 failed to resubmit (19) [ 900.792039] btusb_send_frame: hci0 urb 8800c08ddf00 submission failed [ 900.807505] bluetooth-apple[2004]: segfault at a ip 7f65d520c9ee sp 7fffba728880 error 4 in libdbusmenu-glib.so.1.0.17[7f65d5208000+1] [ 901.320309] usb 6-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 [ 1308.540165] usb 6-1: USB disconnect, address 4 [ 1308.541015] btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb 8800c0b18840 failed to resubmit (19) [ 1308.541045] btusb_bulk_complete: hci0 urb 8800c099eb40 failed to resubmit (19) [ 1308.542097] btusb_bulk_complete: hci0 urb 8800c0b180c0 failed to resubmit (19) [ 1308.542300] btusb_send_frame: hci0 urb 88010f313540 submission failed At that point my bluetooth support is broken and thus Audacity will successfully open. After hitting ctrl-f to work around the globalmenu bug (even though I am not using global menu) I can then edit files and such. Save them. Everything works. Of course I can no longer connect to the internet through my phone, send files, upload ringtones, use my bluetooth headset, etc. To work around you can remove the USB bluetooth adapter if you use a external one, plug it back in, and launch bluetooth-applet from the command line and it should be working again. It's not the end of the world, but Audacity should be configured to work properly in the default environment. I suggest eliminating Alsa and bluetooth support and have it not try to fight proper daemons handle it as they do a much better job. At least with PA and Bluetooth. I don't know how well Jack supports bluetooth audio devices, but Audacity really should not be allowed to do this sort of thing. I understand that it seems like a nice feature to be able to use a headset outside of Gnome, but it seems to be fundamentally incompatible with having a bluetooth adapter that is able to work with any other device. For people that may run into this problem in the future through Google or whatever here is two work arounds I suggest: 1. Remove or otherwise disable all your bluetooth radio prior to attempting to run Audacity. 2. If you forget to do that and Audacity breaks your ability to use bluetooth then remove the bluetooth audio device from your computer, plug it back in, and either log out/log in or start bluetooth-applet manually from the command line or 'alt-f2'. If your using internal bluetooth then try turning it off and on. If that fails then you will be forced to reboot. Thank you for your time and your patience. Keep in mind that as long as this bug exists you will probably have people complaining that either Audacity won't launch or will try to file bug reports against
